One Above All vs Goku





One Above All has some pretty “awesome” power, but in the end he’s not quite a match for Goku. Goku has the Kamehameha Wave and it does some pretty heavy duty damage. It’s not something you want to mess with. Goku has beaten guys much stronger than the One Above All and lived to tell about it. Goku wins.

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80 thoughts on “One Above All vs Goku

  1. I’m going with Goku for 2 reasons.

    1) He is one of my favorites. Alongside Bardock (number 1), Vegeta (Number 3), and Piccolo (Number 4).

    2) I have not seen much of One above all. All I know is that he is considered the creator god of the marvel universe.

    • Glad to see Vegeta’s up there (He’s no 1 for me) Well TOAA is supposed to be “the strongest being in all of media” but I never quite bought into it. He’s been hinted to be Stan Lee so while he’s all powerful in marvel I doubt he could do anything to Goku

    • The One Above All has perfect Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence and Omniversal. There is literally not a single thing more powerful than The One Above All.
      He can do anything he wants without limit. Need more proof? He is, without exaggerating, God.
      The One Above All is God.

      • Feats aren’t necessary for the TOAA, he can do whatever he wants.
        Let me put it straight. If God was to go against Goku, would you say Goku wins because God never did anything to prove his strength?

        The fail levels have risen to new heights.

      • Well, look at it like this. You open a comic and there’s this guy who says he’s the creator of all reality and could do anything by doing nothing….sounds kinda far fetched. I’m a Christian and I believe in God, but I don’t believe in gods of fiction. So they’re powerless since they haven’t proven their power.

        What fail levels?

      • For those who list him as the ruler of the Omniverse then that is a load of not trueness. Pardon the french but it is the truth. He is the lord of the Marvel verse. Not the verse made by Akira Toriyama. Marvel is not Dragon Ball. Therefore to Dragon Ball he is nothing more than an old man.

      • Name one big feat that TOAA has ever done. He’s all talk and no powers. At most he can ressurect people I believe, but that’s it. In fighting ability he’s basically Stan Lee

      • Here are his powers:

        Powers
        As the supreme being of the Omniverse[1], the One-Above-All is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omniversal, infinitely above all cosmic powers and abstract entities, even the Living Tribunal.

        Abilities
        Beyond any known system of abilities.

        Strength level
        Beyond any known system of strength.

        Weaknesses
        No possible weaknesses

        He just needs to think you dead and you ARE dead.

  2. I have to say, in this respect I have to both agree and disagree intensely with those at the same time. While feats people have claimed to be able to do but have never actually proven shouldn’t be allowed (otherwise Sheldon Cooper would be allowed to “tear off the mask of nature and stare into the eyes of God” on the blog), how far does this go? I would guess that you have to be able to read or watch this action in a canon book/comic/TV episode/movie for it to work, right?

      • I just love dropping him. He’s just so overrated for me. I’d take Longshot any day. Though you should start a blog. I’ve been trying to get everyone I can do open their own fighting blogs. There aren’t really many right now. Only around 10 or so. If you make one I’ll go check it out right away, just let me know

      • I’ve wanted to do that since I started reading yours, I just thought I’d be stealing your thing if I did

      • Don’t worry, it’s not stealing at all! I like inspiring other battle sites. Take this one

        http://crossoverchallenges.wordpress.com/about/

        I’m not one of those guys who will get really mad and start suing or just not talking. I started this blog because I was sad that there were almost none out there. If you start one, then that’ll be another fighting blog out there.

        So, I’m all for you getting one. If you want to get one, don’t worry about me. I also don’t mind if you use any pics I have in the site because it’s not like i custom made them or anything. Very few I made, but what would be the point in keeping them to myself? I made them for free and it only takes about a minute.

        Just let me know if you do start one so I can go and follow (Plus vote on the batles) :)

      • Cool, I’ll definitely follow/read it. Crossovers are definitely fun! How do I follow/subscribe? Do I have to be a member or is their an email box somewhere?

        Well, starting the blog is pretty easy. Just go to wordpress.com and sign up. After that, you just post what you want. It’s not the best explanation, but here goes :D

        You can make new posts or new pages. I do posts for all battles and stuff, but use pages for rules and stuff. You can add tags or categories. To make a new category go to categories and click new. For tags just type it into the box in the post.

        I think you’ll probably get it all when you sign up, but if something doesn’t click I’ll always try to help. If I don’t explain it right there’s also a forum for those questions :)

      • It’s kind of like wordpress, If you want to recieve emails when there’s a new chapter you’ll need an account (getting one is about as easy as getting a wordpress account), but you can still leave comments, reviews and such without one if you like.

    • Yes, as for the limits. Well, if they say that Frieza can blow up a whole planet after I’ve seen him pull off feats that are extremely similar I may believe it. But if they say that Kirby could actually end the earth by absorbing it and eating it, I doubt I’ll believe it. Of course if a feat has happened, then it counts (Unless it doesn’t count)

  3. From what I have learned TOAA is pure love. Goku wouldn’t be able to fight him. He would most likely just break down crying due to the awesome presence, lol Love is the strongest power- and he epitomizes it.

  4. can’t fight pure essence that is love. Goku will submit, period. And living Tribunal Has shown his powers, which we can observe in the comics, pretty much wiping anything from existence at will. And because the living Tribunal has stated himself that, he is 2nd ONLY to his creator the One Above All, that’s proof enough of his preeminence.

  5. This is gonna be long, so if you’re into “TL;DR” then don’t bother reading it.

    You don’t need to display power to show your strength. There’s nothing more powerful than the creator of all universe and everything. In some ways, Goku universe is under TOAA because he created every single possible universe and its respective alternative realities.

    The argument “he never showed his powers therefore he’s weak” is a weak and laughable argument. Sure the writers who created TOAA never had him to fight in anything because really they felt whats the point in doing so? He’s so overwhelmingly powerful that any “battles” against him would last less than the lowest possible time since he can just remove his opponent without even needing to move an inch. TOAA looks like a human because its an entity that appears as the viewer in the universe (if human looks at it, it appears humans etc etc). The same way in Mass Effect every being seems to be speaking in English. Ultimately TOAA is a being that do not have a fix shape. The human form is just for us the readers to get some sort of idea on how TOAA looks like.

    Goku sure he’s powerful but up against a God who created everything there ever is and ever was he couldn’t stand a chance even if every hero and villain in every universe were to somehow team up together to kill TOAA they wouldn’t stand the slightest chance. If there TOAA dies there’s the possibility that everything that was ever created and exist might cease to exist since its creator is dead and all of the universe. The universe (and everything else) cannot exist without TOAA.

    But ultimately, dreager1, the only person who seem to be the one who’s most enthusiastic in downplaying TOAA and blindly praising Goku will never ever be convinced that TOAA will win simply because “for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice”

    PS : Even if by some miracle the writers create some sort of battle and display of powers TOAA has, dreager1 will still say “Meh, Goku can do that”, “He can do just that? pff Goku….” etc etc.

    PSS : Goku and TOAA will never ever go in battle because both alignments are on the paragon side and Goku would never ever fight without a valid and strong reason. He’s more likely to respect TOAA and ask to be trained (or serve. but whatever) under it. Likewise, TOAA would’ve given Goku loads of respect for his kindness and his strong paragon nature.

    PSSS : I’m gonna hide under a table since i expect dreager1 to unleash a fury of vengeance by calling me “TOAA FANBOY” and the like. Again i love both Goku and TOAA.

    • Don’t worry I’m not into the TL;DR thing. I read the entire comment.

      Well usually you would be right. We don’t need to see their power to know that they have it. Like how if Superman said that Hawkman can exceed mach 5 we would believe him. The thing is, on the blog one rule is that only shown feats may count. That’s why his abilities don’t really do much here. Otherwise he’s definitely tougher.

      But here’s the deal. I’ve never believed in the power to create and disappear. I just don’t think the power would actually work. You can’t just wish away someone as powerful as Goku. His will is too powerful and physically he’s basically unbeatable. I’m pretty sure he looks like a human because he’s supposed to be StanTheManLee btw. Since Goku is a casual Solar System buster (As proved during the Cell Games) one Kamehameha could take him down. I don’t think TOAA has the means of defending himself against such an attack.

      It is true that even if TOAA did fight in the comics he probably wouldn’t surpass Goku. Goku is in the top 10 strongest beings of all time! The odds of any being passing him in the future is slim to none. Pretty much anything TOAA can do, Goku can likely do better. It’s hard to get above being a reality buster and massively faster than light. Still, if TOAA did fight in the comics quite a couple of his matches would likely be overturned…unless he just wished his opponents away or something. Then it wouldn’t really help. If TOAA died I think everything would keep on going just fine. He created the multiverse, but nobody ever said that he sustains it. At this point it can probably live on it’s own.

      I don’t think Goku would ask to be trained since he’s basically a god at this point and is stronger than everyone. He may ask TOAA to become his apprentice like Uub though.

      I think you have me confused with someone else. I never call people fanboys. First of all, I don’t like insulting people and Second, I don’t even find that as an insult. If someone calls me a Bass fanboy…”I’m a Bass fan so what’s your point,” is basically my response. Well, I’m glad that you like Goku and you must be the first person that I’ve seen who likes TOAA. Good for him :)

      • Basically, its like Lucifer vs God. or Skarbrand the Exiled One vs Khorne. Both extremely powerful beings but again, the creation can never surpass its creator on a scale such this. That’s like saying Lucifer would’ve totally beaten God hands down because God is such a wuss for not showing his might while Lucifer had shown his prowess through combat and talent. Again, i would like to place emphasis that canonically, TOAA created ALL beings and ALL realities that ever was. There is only one TOAA among all universe, dimension and realities. You might argue that the creators of TOAA obviously overpowered TOAA beyond insanity but that’s the point of having a being that’s absolutely above everything that is and ever was.

        I have high doubts that Goku can even beat Thanos since he’s the only being ever to beat the Living Tribunal before. Again Goku might’ve beaten Thanos not because he’s more powerful than Thanos but because Thanos has a retarded weakness that’s a strong subconscious desire to lose.

        Besides you have to remember that Goku have been beaten and killed or nearly killed once or more occasion. Infact, iirc Goku isn’t the most powerful being in Dragon Ball universe since he couldn’t beat Janembar (was it that? forgotten the spelling) without the fusion dance with Vegeta. And for all of Goku power and strength, his power, no matter
        great and vast, is not infinite. Even if Goku don’t die within seconds and TOAA decides to have a little challenge, TOAA can outlast Goku because his power reserve is infinite and technically nameless was right. TOAA can control time since he was the being that made everything that ever is and was (note my emphasis on this point).

      • Well, in the comics or any form of media the creator usually wins, but not in a way that I can accept. I can understand Apocalypse beating Sinister and Goku beating Buu, but sometimes matches don’t make sense. Like Piccolo being scared of Supreme Kai and any scene with the Tribunal or Odin. Odin can fight a bit though so I’ll cut him some slack. The Tribunal may have some mild powers if I recall as well.

        Well, Thanos is tough, but Goku has the massive power/speed advantage. I don’t really think Thanos would be able to keep up. Goku has lost in the past, but to incredibly powerful beings who can wipe out solar systems. Janemba Was stronger than Goku back during the end of Arc 3. Since then he’s gotten drastically stronger and as of GT he’s much, much stronger than before. His base form = the Super Saiyan 3 of DBZ (Supposedly)

        Goku’s power isn’t infinite (Only Bass has infinite power) but he’s one of the closest characters to infinite. Very few beings are stronger than him (Like Megaman) but TOAA also doesn’t have infinite. We’ve never seen him fight and he seems to just be an old man. I’m pretty sure that he represents StanTheManLee which is why he looks like him and “created” everybody.

        There’s never been any proof of TOAA’s time control. He may just have the basic immortality. He’s okay, but all we’ve seen is that he’s very old and that he can float. This is why he’s pretty much doomed on the blog for now

    • TOAA has infinite power because he created everything that ever is and ever was. There is only one TOAA among all dimension and realities. Here’s an excerpt of the canon definition of TOAA “One-Above-All is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omniversal, infinitely above all cosmic powers and abstract entities”. You don’t have to demonstrate your powers to show that you are the better being. Like Twains said, its akin to saying Lucifer is way more powerful than God on the fact that Lucifer showed his powers while God did not. The reason why TOAA does not intervene is because he does not want to meddle with the affairs of the beings he created. Hell even when the living tribunal was defeated by Thanos TOAA still didn’t intervene. It was only due to Thanos own sacrifice that the balance was restored.

      You cannot be bias when making these kind of comparison. Of course Goku is immensely powerful and his powers are near infinite, but he has lost and been killed many times over previously. You might say, he gets stronger afterwards, but he can only go so far. Goku is still flesh and bone, he grows old and will eventually die while TOAA does not age or nor lose his prowess with age since he created time itself (note created everything that ever was and ever is). The only reason why we never see TOAA in combat is because
      1. He does not intervene with the affairs of his creation
      2. Nobody but Thanos has defeated the Living Tribunal (which is second only to TOAA)

      I’ll disregard many more points in your argument on the assumption that English isn’t your prima lingua since you don’t seem to understand certain words.

      And when you said Goku lost to being that are able to destroy multiple solar systems, remember that the only being to ever beat the Living Tribunal (the second most powerful being) was able to destroy alternative realities and dimensions countless times over.

      considered to be second only to TOAA).

      You

      • TOAA has never actually used infinite power. I don’t think he can really fight. In the end he’s pretty much just an old man. He “created” everything because he’s Stan Lee. Can Stan Lee beat Goku? I don’t think so. Think about it…he claims that he doesn’t have to interfere, but it could just be that he knows he’d be wiped out.

        Goku Is immensely powerful and I don’t think that TOAA is close. He’s lost in the past to be sure, but to enemies that are also far stronger than TOAA. Goku actually doesn’t grow old and die anymore. He’s basically immortal.

        English is my first language, that’s why the blog has a 100% accuracy policy and I always expertly debate :)

        The Living Tribunal isn’t that tough as well sooooo…yeah

      • Kinda dumb either way then to ask a question about a character who is God in his universe but has shown no feets.(because we all know how much god loves impressing people.

      • Well, debating is what this site’s all about. That’s why we debate everything, whether it be big or small. No such thing as a “dumb” debate or question. I’d say the One Above All is Stan Lee level in his physical attributes…possibly a little less

    • Yeah, but when TOAA stepped into the marvel universe he automatically also became a creation. Now he’s pretty much powerless against a solar system buster like Goku

  6. Why do people debate with this. These fanboys dont know anything about the characters they put in these fights, and I mean anything at all. TOAA is stated to be the creator of the whole Marvel Multiverse and thats why he is totally all-powerfull.

    And still even everybody clearly explains all the facts to these fanboys, they are still totaly clueless and ignorant.

    Why do you want to deabate anyway if you say Goku kills everything, even beings who blink multiple universes out of existence and recreates them at the same second??

    And the sad thing is, these guys don’t seem to be even trolling.

    • Well, the One Above All is okay, but he’s basically just an old man. He can’t really fight much, so for a guy who can shatter solar systems with virtually no effort..it’s not much of a fight! Goku’s just a much stronger warrior, but not even he can beat everyone (That would be Bass)

  7. The One Above All is God.

    This argument is moronic, how could you possibly thinks Goku wins this, there could be only two explanations.

    a. you’re a troll

    b. you’re a sad sad fanboy…

    In any case I pity you

    • No, he isn’t God. He’s a homage to Stan Lee and is named the One Above All because he presides over all Marvel characters (Since he created them) Against a character like Goku he would be completely powerless. But he is by no means God!

      I’m none of the above. Just a dedicated debater

  8. TOAA doesn’t have to fight.. You’re just not getting it. What people don’t realize is when these crossovers happen the worlds of each character combine. Stan lee is TOAA. he is the god of marvel because he created it and the second goku is in the same sentence as TOAA he controls it because that involves the marvel universe which he created and controls. and he an do whatever he wants. if he wants to write a comic where goku dies or goku was never born or goku changes genders HE CAN DO IT. How is goku going to fight him? is he going to come off one of the pages? Are we going to hear in the news how Stan lee was kamehameha blasted across the universe by goku? NO because it can’t happen and never will. Goku can not exist without a writer. I mean people can’t stress it enough. It just can’t happen. We as human beings don’t even exist on the same level as fictitious characters. That’s like saying goku would beat you when that’s impossible. If you were to write a story with goku in it right now you’re instantly the most powerful being because you created it. how can any of your creations fight you. you control whether they live or die, or if their poor or rich or a female or male or old or young. the second you write that story you’ve given goku his power and can take it away at will. TOAA wins hands down

    • Here’s the deal about that….we are humans, so a Kamehameha would destroy us. We can claim that we’re on the “Outside world” so fictional characters can’t hurt us, but once you’re in a fight with such a character, things change. During the fight, both individuals now occupy the same level of existence, so the One Above All wouldn’t have a chance

      • Your ignorance does not amuse me. A simple kamekameha beam will NOT KILL GODS YOU Fool. A simple saiyan will not defeat a GOD. NOT EVEN BILLS, THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION. You are just an illogical hologram saying senseless things. Goku beats ALL? I want proof
        . Proof that Goku beats TOAA. Proof that he is completely indestructible. PROOF THAT HE CREATED THE WHOLE SERIES.

        I liked the manga more the anime. More.om originality, more on meaning. Your debates should have been your own personal opinions. Goku beats TOAA?! Thats ignorant

        Maybe you worship Goku. Maybe you are a Gokuist and the only one. Kamekameha is nothing but a simple beam against TOAA. He will not die. And just a thought of TOAA about Goku, he will be helpless.

        I don’t like you debating without evidence. Your statements about kamekameha is clearly shameful.

        I won’t stop debating with you until you say TOAA OWNZ goku!!!!

        Ps: not a marvel fan. I have seen every dbz.

      • @TRTH-HRTZ

        Your fan wanking does not amuse me or make me take you seriously as a debater at all. Bills is a god so he can beat a god. And it’s hinted he could destroy the universe entirely as a whole due to his status. Aside from dreager1’s own bias towards anything involving Bass I agree with Goku beating TOAA because TOAA is not a real god but a human. Whoever is in charge of Marvels writing and creativity is TOAA and it’s just a guy who can only control Marvel characters. If he wants to do any god like things like desiring someone out of existence it has to be Marvel characters because Goku was made by Akira Toriyama. And all fiction does not exist and take place in Marvel. Thus Goku is made of a different nature, meaning someone elses creative juices.

        Dragon Ball Z is not owned nor is it set in a Marvel universe or omniverse.

        In a real fight if TOAA or basically Jack Kirby (the original TOAA mentioned before others) was put into a crossover battle it would be in a universe that he has no control over and even if it was in Marvel he would be powerless himself. The only thing he could do is command someone from Marvel to beat Goku like The Living Tribunal. And that is not the same as defeating Goku himself. If that happened it wouldn’t be TOAA Vs Goku. It would be *insert blank Marvel character* Vs. Goku.

    • He doesn’t control goku no matter what because Goku is made of a different nature than the ones in Marvel. And TOAA is actually Jack Kirby or whoever runs Marvel during the time. Jack was the original. And he is nothing more than a human who controls Marvel. He has no control in a crossover because ALL fiction doesn’t take place in Marvel.

      • So what is the point of these fights then? Goku has the powers and everything against him doesn’t?? Goku is then no more a normal man in outside place of his own realm, and if this fight doesnt belong is in his realm, he is just a man with no powers. So tell me why would we make fights with other has no powers of his own?

        Don’t be a fckin moron. These are one vs one with the powers they have.

        And this whole depate is a work of a troll. It is against omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omniversal being agains a bare mortal. So everyone should stop commenting in this stupid thread, because its pointless.

      • How do you figure? Goku’s powers aren’t limited to any single dimension. Also, with or without his powers, the One Above All doesn’t stand a chance

      • Lol :D you are a sad human being. I saw your other posts and u are clearly not smart, 10 years old or ar major troll. But anyway saw more than enough, so have a good delusional life.

        Because you know nothing ;D ;D ;D ;D

  9. I know this is pointless but I’m bored so I’ll start this. Okay, there are several obvious explanations but they all end up with ‘The One Above All’ beating Goku. Don’t get me wrong, I love Goku, he’s the man and I certainly like him more than TOAA as a character, simply because we don’t know a lot about TOAA as a character. I’ve read your rules (clearly biased against creator figures like TOAA/Presence) but I think using logic we can figure this out. By the way, (and I will emphasise this later) I’m clueless as to why these two characters aren’t in your “too powerful to consider list” or whatever you call it.

    While there is not a lot definitive about TOAA, from all the evidence/suggestions via the comics he (it) is all powerful, all present. There’s no proof that it is Stan Lee, maybe the suggestion that it is a representation of Jack Kirby from the real world. In the context of the Marvel multi-verse it would appear it is unbeatable, furthermore unlike Goku who has been defeated, TOAA hasn’t been defeated yet, infact there is absolutely no proof that it can be beaten.

    In the terms of your rules you state: “Only shown, or otherwise eligible feats count. So guys like The One Above All are technically powerless to fight unless they actually fight in the future”. Being unbeaten is a feat, similarly, creating a universe and all the physics within it is a feat. You can’t simply take away a character’s ability randomly or ’cause you don’t like a character. That’s not fair. So with that, TOAA could just control Goku’s Kamehameha physics to be as weak as a zippo lighter or create an infinite amount of planets to get in the way of Goku forever and as fast as he likes. There is NO limit to TOAA’s power.

    Look at rule number 1: All fighters have access to everything. An demonstrated ability of TOAA is that he exists everywhere and is omni-present i.e he exists everywhere all the time, he can’t exist in one universe. And again, you can’t take away this aspect of it otherwise without changing the character completely. Simply, Goku hasn’t shown a move which can remove an entity from existence or from multiple-universes. Also Goku and his power is limited to one universe, he can’t actually touch TOAA in its entirety. Yes, there is no direct comic reference to many specific TOAA acts but because the Marvel multiverse is so vast and comprehensive it is clear just how powerful it is. You have to be level headed and make certain logical assumptions.

    If you want to have a blog battle you have to be fair and remove characters like TOAA/The Presence from consideration. You’re right, it hasn’t fought or been shown to fight, but by the very nature/existence of its character it is above 99.9999% of the other potential candidates. If you take away any part of TOAA’s ‘infiniteness’ then you’re changing the character completely and therefore it is void. Accept this or not, most people out there (the poll is my proof) would probably agree with me. I know you probably won’t take a single word of what I’ve written on board but either way, I had fun writing this. :)

    • The rules are just there so that the battles can be epic and effective. Blinking someone out of existence isn’t logical, which is why it wouldn’t be counted. Goku and the One Above All aren’t High Aboves because they just didn’t make the cut. The High Aboves list isn’t about power after all, just that I have given them the right to win all battles on the blog.

      I agree that there is no proof that he is Stan Lee..and that’s the only reason as to why he’s allowed on the blog. Still, I’m 99% sure that he’s meant to be Stan Lee. Those feats aren’t valid. The One Above All can claim many things, but we don’t have proof that he created the universe. Even if he did, that wouldn’t really help in a fight. TOAA has never shown any of those powers in the past and I doubt that he could alter Goku’s Kamehameha. Nobody can be everywhere at the same time in the comics. It’s just an exaggerated claim that TOAA and many other cosmic entities make.

      It’s a good argument, but I just don’t buy it for TOAA. Other cosmic entities have proven their power like the Tribunal and the Spectre, but not the One Above All. At this point, grabbing a gun would help him on the blog since he would at least have some bullets at his disposal. Good to see a new face on the blog though!

      • Haha I get that you don’t like TOAA, but you do realise you’re subjectively making creative assumptions with regards to power potential in a comic book right? You can’t dictate what comic book creators are and aren’t allowed to convey power-wise (omni-presence is a valid power) and still expect to sound credible/logical. You CAN, however, accept that TOAA is more than likely (given what we do know) an irrelevant entity to include in your blog i.e. fights with an entity you don’t know about about are meaningless. I think it goes both ways: You shouldn’t even really have a match-up if you don’t know the full extent of a character’s power ceiling (which we clearly don’t). I will concede a new character category for “infallible creator-types” which makes them invalid for combat. I think that’s fair, don’t you?

        I mean ultimately, I suppose you can do whatever you like with regards to your blog – I’m just trying to put out the point. Cheers!

      • That would be difficult though since there are many characters that are theoretically invincible through their cosmic abilities. Tenchi Muto, Presence, One Above All, and many other characters would need to be excluded. Cosmic beings are not always powerless as the Living Tribunal would do decently well on the blog. He may not be a match for Spiderman due to composite abilities, but he can fight. That’s because he’s been shown to fire energy blasts in the past, which gives him a tremendous edge.

        I won’t deny that the One Above All has potential to be strong, but we need to see some proof before he gets his props. All he needs is a single panel where he defeats someone with a punch, shows off some super speed, or even takes out a gun and shoots someone. It would finally give him some material that I can work with. Currently, the only power that I can prove that he possesses is flight. (Maybe bringing back the dead, but my mind is a little hazy on that one)

        It would take too long if I allowed characters to reach their height in power. Series like Naruto and Bleach are still going where the characters continue to get stronger. Other series are pretty early on like Attack on Titan, but the characters become so popular that they need to quickly be included. That being said, I make sure to go back and look at previous matchups if the power up was enough to warrant a change. An example of this is Naruto vs Gon. That match has gone both ways in the past and currently Naruto has taken the lead. (For good I’m pretty sure. I doubt that Gon will be passing him again)

        So, I do know about the One Above All, but his panels have not impressed me. He talks a very good game, but he has not backed it up yet and the statement from the Living Tribunal is not enough to back it up. At least the One Above All has won battles in the past while on the blog. He’s definitely not the weakest character in existence, far from it! He’s still of human size and flight does help to an extent.

        Always good to hear feedback on the blog though

  10. The reason why dbz characters are so powerful is because people take everything they here or see on the show literally. For example, cell once said he can destroy the solar system with his ki blast. If he really was able to do that, why not do it before. He even did a kamahameha, which is 1000x stronger than a ki blast, but only managed to create a large creator. And piccolo destroying the moon. How is it possible that he can destroy the moon early in the show but never show that kind of power again later when he’s stronger. Dumb people like to count this and powers scale goku with it and that is how goku is somehow able to destroy entire universes even though he has yet to destroy a planet on his own. How about I powerscale toaa. Lets start with thanos and the infinity gauntlet. He has the power to bend all of space and time. He’s beaten many of marvels strongest characters including galactus who once actually destroyed an entire universe. The living tribunal is more powerful than that. He easily shut down the ig thus stripping thanos of his powers. He has even sealed of entire dimensions. The one above all is even more powerful. He is not Stan lee. Only his appearance is. While he might not have many feats. He is, however, the living tribunal’s boss and it would only be logical that he’s more powerful. Thus via power scaling, he has the power to completely annihilate an entire universe.

    • The difference is that Cell could actually blow up the star system with a blast and Goku could basically destroy reality with a punch. DBZ fighters are insanely powerful and even low tiers like Krillin could destroy Marvel and DC. Power scaling doesn’t work with TOAA because we have to rely on the Living Tribunal’s claim. He may just have been suckered by TOAA. TOAA has to actually prove that he can fight before we take his word for it. Until then, I’d have to go with Peter Parker’s father against him in a fight

  11. Until you give me factual evidence of any character from dragon ball to dragon ball z ( not including movies or gt ) that has the power to actually destroy a universe, you are a just another dbz fan

  12. All cell did was say he could destroy a solar system. But he never actually showed anything close to that. And the beyonder will destroy krillen because he can actually punch a hole in reality, unlike goku.

    • All of the Z Fighters were experienced in sensing ki and since they were worried..they knew that he could really do it. Krillin could easily dodge any of the Beyonder’s attacks and one Kamehameha would end things instantly.

  13. Forget beyonder. A grizzly bear will destroy dbz along with every other anime. So would a turtle. And a snail. And an ant. And a …..

  14. This is getting stupid. DBZ characters have more than small star-busting destructive power and possibly very very very very very low Solar System busting. Yes, Cell stated that he could blow up the Solar System, but like you said to me, look at Supreme Kai’s bluff against Piccolo. Roshi blew up the moon in Manga but he was DRAINED afterwards. Approximately 50 of Earth’s moons make 1 Earth. Roshi has a base power lvl of 200 when powered up. Power levels aren’t that accurate, but they still are moderately. 200×50=10,000. Goku had a power lvl of 10,000 before he was even halfway into King kai’s training. SSJ4 Gogeta has a power level of 2,500,000,000 or 2 billion 500 thousand. 3,296,159,650,000,000,000,000,000 would have to be his power level to blow up even our solar system, much less a GALAXY, much less a UNIVERSE. I got this by getting the # of Earths that can fit in the Galaxy an multiplying it by 10,000. Don’t say DBZ doesn’t work like that because it does. Power scaling is fine, but only Cell and Buu were actually shown to get a blast large enough to destroy a Earth. DBZ is one of the best franchises out there, but in reality, the best they could destroy was a very very very very very small galaxy. His power level as a SSJG would be 1,100,000,000, though he absorbed most of that forms power so it is extremely likely that he won’t use it again. Still, that’s nowhere NEAR what it takes to blow up a Galaxy. I know DBZ character give the impression sometimes that they are Universe busters, but they really aren’t. So 1.1 billion is his max power and he would need to be 3.2 billion-billion-billion to blow up a solar system. The only person who could potentially destroy a very very very very small solar system from the DBZ franchise would be Whis. Akira Toriama stated that if Goku SSJG is 6, Bills is 10 and Whis is 15.

    • Vegeta from the early Saiyan Saga days was stated to be powerful enough to blow up the Earth. That was back before Super Saiyan 1, much less Super Perfect Cell so blowing up the solar system at that state is pretty reasonable. The Z fighters would have called him out on it if Cell had been bluffing so I’m pretty sure that he was being legit about it. This is one time where power scaling is okay to do. Also, let’s not forget about Broly taking on the Southern Galaxy and Omega Shenron deciding to end the universe. DBZ fighters are truly high tier and they can destroy just about anything with a blast. As for Goku SSJG being weaker than Bills….I still find that hard to believe, but I guess we’ll need to see the sequel. I hope Vegeta gets more props this time

  15. Goku is a pretty cool guy.
    Eh fights aliens and doesn’t afraid of anything.
    But teh winner here is Bass cuz eh fights robots and doesn’t afraid of anything.

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