The Ultimate Warrior the world has ever seen. Bass is number 1 on the blog and since the blog contains all of the strongest beings from every franchise then that settles it. Bass isn’t like the others. He commands true power. Before he got any of his power ups he was already the Ultimate Navi capable of destroying planets. Megaman and Protoman teaming up couldn’t deal any damage to him, and they are also legendary warriors. Another one of Bass’s big feats was he shook the entire planet just by powering up! Now that’s what I call incredible power! Bass even destroyed Nebula Grey and Slur, two more of the strongest beings. Bass is the Supreme Fighter and no one is even close to his power. Bass will never be caught and will always be number 1 in the blog. Bass has energy attacks that can destroy planets, but he is also a master of hand to hand combat. He moves many, many times faster than the speed of light and it’s impossible to fight him. Plus with the Get Ability it’s impossible for him to die, because he’d just ressurect and get even stronger. Basically Bass can never be defeated and he also happens to be the coolest character out there
His Main Forms
W Natalie (Charlie)
W Poison (SF)
W James Bond
W Minnie Mouse
W Virus Beast
W Kid Bass
W Tina Armstrong
W Lady Devimon
W Queen Beryl
W The Phantasm
W Aunt Mito
W Kikyo Zoldyck
W One Above All
W Dr Cossack
W Ann Zap
W Red Sonja
W Runo Misaki
W Julie Makimoto
W Maya Kurinoki
W Princess Pride
W Miss Yuri
W Madame Web
W East Kai
W West Supreme Kai
W Wonder Woman
W Santa Clause
W Ms Claus
W Alien (Skyline Flower Type)
W Ethan Hunt
W Kenji Koiso
W Sherlock Holmes
W Lara Croft
W Number Four
W Martin Harris
W Emma Bishop
W Jackie Tristan
W Big Barda
W Mr Mxysptlk
W Ghost Rider
W Dark Schneider
W Mecha Godzilla 2
W Lucifer Morningstar
W Natsuki Shinohara
W Marshmallow Man
W Talking Tina
Who would win if one Bass fought another Bass?
That’s easy. Bass would win.
That means one Bass would lose which means Bass is NOT the strongest and that he IS beatable. HA!
Snaaaaap! I didn’t expect to get roasted and toasted so decisively today.
@Dreager1 Prove that the Hubblast is above universal. Care to back yourself up? Probably not.
My “proof” is the fact that a full powered blast was enough to injure the Virus Beast and break through Protoman’s shields. Bass was able to block it no problem..but that’s Bass.
Hmm, found a pretty neat profile.
A weapon that can vaporize universes. Hmm, enough to destroy Bass? Yes.
Who’s that guy supposed to be? Seems like he is outmatched though. Remember that Bass is basically all powerful.
He’s a god in Hinduism. Don’t you learn about him in high school.
Although I was in high school over 10 years ago. Lol.
Yeah, we don’t learn about that in school anymore, at least not in mine. Out of respect for other religions, I don’t put their symbols on the blog. I believe in Christianity myself, but it would still feel mean spirited to put the others here so we’d have to keep this hypothetical.
Vishnu is the God of Gods by the way in Hinduism.
Ah, good to know.
The Sudarshana Chakra, a weapon capable of destroying universes… and Bass…
Bass…the strongest being in the universe!
Nope. You sound like a fanboy at Comic Vine. He always says Dormammu can never be beaten and he can destroy all of fiction.
That’s a bit much, Goku could beat Dormammu.
Yes, it’s your Bass wankery. You sound like that fanboy I debated with. Bass is beatable.
I thought we weren’t using the W word? Bass is invincible and he’s my favorite character, but it’s just a coincidence. I’m glad that he’s the strongest, but it just happened to be the case.
Do you know what wankery is in debates? That’s when fanboys act like there favorite character is unstoppable, they lie, troll, fan speculate, and never support their claims like when you said the Hubblast is universal.
Wait…why are we using the term “Fanboy?”)
God, you always ask the same repetitive questions.
make a long story short, Bass cannot beat Unicron.
I am rather repetitive. Still, Unicron’s too slow to hit Bass.
Unicron was going to destroy the multiverse if the Autobots, Decepticons, and Primus didn’t stop him. In Transformers Prime the Autobots needed help from Megatron to stop Unicron.
Yes, but keep in mind that in Prime they were all super slow so Protoman could have taken them out in one good shot.
Unicron takes Bass out. The end.
I beg to differ. Darkness Overload would take him out.
Now your insisting that the Darkness Overload is universal.
If this is comic Unicron and Primus, they stomp Bass hard. IIRC, comic versions of then were multiversal. Bass has done nothing on such a level.
But do you recall correctly? Darkness Overload was nearly strong enough to stop Slur and let us not forget that Unicron was wrecked by ordinary Transformers in the G1 film. Bass has never lost to something on that level.
I’m not talking about the G1 film. In the G1 film, Optimus had to use the Matrix to defeat Unicron. Comic Unicron and Primus were multiversal. Bass has done absolutely NOTHING to insist he’s on that level.
No, in the G1 film, he was already dying by that point. The autobots and Decepticreeps were wrecking him with pot shots so his durability isn’t that great.
Unicron tanked the Big Bang. When did Bass tank such a powerful attack compared to the Big Bang.
Off-topic, but I’m preparing for Shin Godzilla’s release in the United States.
Bass tanked the Hubblast from Megaman!
Yeah, Godzilla’s going to be hype! I’m probably going to watch it in theaters as well. It should be fun to see what the King of the Monsters has in store for us!
Unicton stomps Bass either way.
So many trailers for Shin Godzilla, but yet won’t be in U.S. theaters until October 18.
He can’t hit what he can’t catch!
Yeah, it’s a while to wait for Godzilla, but the wait will be worth it! I’ve heard that it’s pretty solid aside from the climax.
Bass is a pretty strong fighter but still nothing compared to an Ant! Bass is very slow so the Ant could simply disintegrate him into oblivion very very easily.
Bass is FTL though so the Ant would have to move real quick
Shin Godzilla U.S. release date: October 11
By the way, Unicron stomps Bass.
Not according to my head canon.
Most, I repeat….Most Impressive! That’s not too far at all.
Actually it’s only going to be released for one week in U.S. theaters from October 11-18 as I’ve posted above.
Yes, I know that as well. I’ve been keeping up with Godzilla quite closely. I’m one of G’s biggest fans! I’ve even seen all of the films.
The stronger character is Thanos with the heart of the universe, is power derives directly from the God of the christian/muslim/jewish religion
The nature of his powers makes him the stronger
But does he know why people like the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
He has a fraction of TOAA’s Power. TOAA is not a religious figure.
Hmm, maybe I should throw a few characters into the royale of TOAA vs The Presence vs Man of Miracles vs Kami Tenchi. Maybe I should add Divine Presence, Undoubtedly First, The Abrahamic God, Eru Iluvatar, Gan, Azathoth, The Creator (Umineko), Lord of Nightmares (Slayers), and The Primal Monitor into it. It would be a much more fun fight. Could be called “The Omnipotent Battle Royale.”
My money would definitely be on the Lord of Nightmares. It’s just hard to stop such a cool villain.
Awesome, I guess I’ll write it and post for you to read in the next few weeks, maybe.
Sounds good, I’ll be looking forward to it!
I actually have a theory that all those beings and the rest of the supreme beings in fiction could be the same guy. There all stated to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. It would actually be almost impossible to demonstrate such high levels of power with all those beings. Nevertheless, I’m still working on the battle anyways.
Just make them do a card battle or something. Since they’re all equal they can all try to do the best that they can with the cards that they’re dealt, but luck prevails in the end.
Hmm, I was looking forward to a battle, unless the type of card game is Speed or Solitaire or maybe even a chess game in which they all play individually. Maybe merge some of them together to form two powerful brings.
TOAA+Abrahamic God+The Creator (Umineko)+ Presence+ Lord of Nightmares+ Undoubtedly First= The Creator God’s undoubtedly presence who is above all nightmares
Man of Miracles+ Kami Tenchi+ Eru Iluvatar+ Gan+ Azathoth+ Divine Presence+ Primal Monitor= The Monitor of Miracles whose presence is superior to all supreme beings
Those two powerful beings can them maybe fight after merging.
It should be something with a lot of luck involved though so Chess wouldn’t work since it is pure skill.
So, the question is who would win out of Bass vs Serende ;-)?
Bass no doubt. Did you see how he wrecked Slur and Protoman in under a minute?
Lol, yeah that’s very true XD, Slur and Protoman stood no Chance in the anime! However, in the manga, When Serende was beaten by Bass, only 10 Percent of it’s full power was able to download to the real world and it was still handily whooping Hub style Megaman. Had Serenade been full power it would certainly have given Bass GS a run for his money.
A full power Serenade vs Bass would have definitely been a fun fight to have seen. That would have been an actual challenge for Bass for sure.
Lol, that’s true they definitely were defeated in under a minute XD. But, in the manga Serenade was able to take on hub style Quite easliy with only 10% of his power. And when he was killed by Bass it was only a fraction of his power he used to reflect the super nuke level blast. Pretty impressive stuff!
Sorry if I go off topic here, but where would Bass qualify here:http://topstrongest.wikia.com/wiki/Threat_levels
Omni I’d say or maybe even a level beyond that.
You can’t go beyond Omni. Omni means all. If there’s more than Omni, then Omni isn’t Omni as it isn’t all if there’s something beyond it.
I know, Bass defies definitions like that. It’s crazy…but that’s just how Bass operates!
Bass can’t defy logic. That’s like saying he’s beyond infinity.
For all intents and purposes…he is!
Oh, so you want to talk Suggsverse level then?
Those guys aren’t that tough tho
Are you kidding? They have stuff like “beyond omniversal” or “more than infinity.”
I’d say that the verse is highly overrated. Trust me, they do better conceptually than they do in reality.
Oh, wait. The highest possible threat level you can reach is Omni+. Anything above that is a joke.
Right and effectively, the best tier you can be is right under abstract. Think Goku or Gurren Lagann where you are still performing physical feats and aren’t blowing up universes with your thoughts at the moment.
Heh. I doubt Goku could beat World Breaker Hulk.
I don’t think it would be all that close
DBZ is also highly overrated.
I disagree. After what I’ve seen online lately…I’d say that it’s underrated!
Dragon Ball is overrated. People think Goki could solo all of fiction. Which isn’t true.
It’s definitely not true so you should call them out on it. There’s no way he could beat Bass. Not to mention that even trying to defeat Gohan and Vegeta teaming up would be too much for him.
Goku also cannot beat Marvel.
Nah, he’s got this. One good Kamehameha and it’s Good Game Marvel!
What proof do you have a Kamehameha can destroy all of Marvel? Don’t underestimate Marvel. The top beings of the franchise are:
The One Above All
Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifer
No proof, but the Kamehameha is virtually invincible and unstoppable!
I guess I’d switch that to
Iron Man (Composite armor)
I’ll pull up these scans:
Should I pull up a Bass AMV?
Need some more?
Nah, I think we got all of the key essentials
No need for AMV’s. We’ve got the key essentials as you’ve said, and none of Goku’s attacks would damage all of Marvel. The scans I posted are some of the feats of the characters I listed (not all of them though, of course.)
Yes and they were impressive, but I don’t see how they put those characters on Goku’s level
When has Goku been omniverse level in Destructive Capacity and Durability?
Ever since he endured hits from guys like Frieza and Cell
Uhhhhhgg, this is probably what you’d post for Goku and Bass in stats:
Destructive Capacity: Omniverse level
Durability: Omniverse Level
Striking Strength: Omniverse level
Lifting Strength: Omniverse level
Speed: Beyond Infinity
Fighting Skills: Omni (Master of all forms of combat)
Threat Level: Omni
^^^^^^^^This is what you’d say the stats for Goku and Bass would be. I know your trolling.
I’d say you’re on the right track
God, you really must be trolling. Scans of where Goku destroys the Omniverse? Good luck at finding something that doesn’t exist.
Owned! That was proof you were trolling. Goku has never been Omniversal. Although some characters have.
I’m no troll 🙂
Then where’s the scan of Goku destroying the Omniverse? Good luck at finding something that doesn’t exist.
When did I say that he destroyed an omniverse?
I never said that. I said you actually believed Goku is Omniverse level since you said I was right when I posted those stats for Goku.And there’s only one omniverse.
True, but that just means he’s that strong, not that he’s done it before
Goku has not done it before, so he can’t be powersaled to that level. Unless you believe he has limitless power.
Well, I’d say it is virtually limitless to be honest and lets not forget that he blasted a hole through a dimension in the past.
Zeedmilleniumon could defeat this guy.
So could Jesus.
You’re overrating Zeed. Trust me, he’s nowhere near that strong
Still gathering info for my argument. But anyways, tell me: Who wins? Bass or literally an infinite amount of fictions? And when I mean infinite, that means they still keep coming, so you cannot say “he just knocks them all down.” Or “he takes them all out in a single blast.”
Well, infinite fictions is about the same as All of Media if you think about it since there are always more characters around the corner. Bass still wins with a single continuous energy blast that knocks them all down for the count. They’ll be vaporized.
I think you should change “Strongest In All of Media” to “Strongest on my Blog”.
It’s not like anything explicitly described here is an accurate representation of the capabilities this “Bass” character has against an infinitely more formidable foe.
I couldn’t change it because the former is just more accurate. It’s a good picture of how strong Bass is, many just don’t want to believe it because of how crazy it is. I don’t even blame them since no character should be this powerful…it just so happens that Bass is.
That’s honestly a shame. There are a lot false comments you’ve left in your “battle scenarios” that serve as a reflection of misinformation.
That’s the real reason many don’t believe you.
It’s not a fact. It’s merely a statement you fabricated as a way of bolstering the capabilities of a character you happen to like. It just so happens to be Bass because you find him more honorable for the title, which is also false considering how little he as actually achieved.
It’s been done before and I’ve seen enough of it know what will happen next.
So… go ahead. Proceed with whatever response you feel will make your argument sounder. I’m more than prepared for what will follow.
However, before you make any inaccurate assessments to label me as a “hater”, you should consider the fact that I’ve allocated a quite a bit of knowledge on MegaMan NT Warrior in the past.
So, if you have anything to help me see what you see; by all means, show me what makes Bass the strongest.
Of course, I will make sure to keep my expectations lower for his sake.
It’s the least I can do 😉
What false comments? They should all be 100% accurate as per the blog battle rules where I placed my 100% accuracy policy. “If it’s not there, it’s not fair”
No worries, I won’t call you a “hater” as I don’t believe in throwing those terms around so loosely. People have actually called me a troll in the past which I just scoff at. I’m not sure what else I could show though. If you read the manga and haven’t come to the conclusion that he is the strongest of all time, then it’s going to be really hard to change that. Just remember that his speed is absolute and his power is devastating. His Get Ability is the last thing his opponents will ever see.
Just keep setting the bar lower and we’ll go over it at some point.
Edit: Sorry I was signed out. That anonymous is still me.
Just show the accomplishments that have led you to come to the conclusion of him being the strongest and I’ll see if your logic is sound.
I think I’ve already done that though. Have you checked out the manga scans and seen his power?
However, the actions I have seen him execute don’t really measure up to other accomplishments I have witnessed and/or read in novels, movies, television shows, comic, etc.
That’s why I want to know why YOU think he is the strongest when his “feats” are easy to replicate.
All right. Well, it all boils down to how fast and strong Bass is. He was FTL near the beginning of the series and not even Protoman or Megaman could keep up with him. Keep in mind that this was at a point where they were already incredibly strong. Then they all kept getting super form after super form. Bass has the Get Ability which is basically an invincible technique to seal the deal.
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe destroyed all of the Marvel universe. How could Bass.EXE beat that? What has Bass.EXE done even close to that feat?
Bass has landed hits on Megaman which is a better feat since that guy is so fast. Bass could also cancel out such a blast with his own Darkness Overload. Thanos merely destroyed the universe while Bass beat its greatest warrior
If we are talking about speed alone, Goku is way faster than Bass.EXE. He woundn’t know what hit him by the time Goku hits him a million or so times.
Goku is one of the fastest characters of all time so you’re not too wrong there. I would place him 3rd behind Bass and Megaman. Still, Bass is faster in the end
Let’s talk about just a few characters off the top of my head who are way stronger than Bass.EXE could dream to be; The Living Tribunal is a good start. When he met Dr. Strange for the first time, he was so strong Strange could not even describe his power. That’s saying a lot, coming from the guy who was then one of the most powerful magic users at the time. Soon after that, there was The Beyonder or He Who Comes From Beyond, who was even more powerful than The Living Tribunal. The Beyonder shook entire dimenstions, just by simply walking. The guy could fight all of the best fighters in the universe without breaking a sweat. And then we have the all powerful one, The One Above All, who is the GOD of the Marvel multiverse. He is more powerful than The Beyonder and The Living Tribunal combined, (Tribunal is the right hand man of The One Above All) yet you claim Bass.EXE is stronger than all of them and more, with next to no evidense. How is he this strong? Where is the proof? I want to understand. I have read the MegaMan.NT Warrior manga a few times now, but I can’t find any proof that Bass.EXE is this overpowered. Can he shake the universe or multiverse just by standing there? Can he wave his hand and all of the universe bows down to him out of fear? Can he defeat any character just by staring at them? I await your reply.
Living Tribunal is good, but he doesn’t have the raw power and speed of Bass. Bass could end the planet in an instant. I’ve never been all that impressed with the Beyonder so I think that guy would be wrecked quite quickly. As for TOAA…well, I’d sooner take Elsa or Ant in a fight against him. I have plenty of evidence for Bass being powerful. In his first appearance in the manga he was stated to destroy 100 opponents in .1 of a second. That’s really good and none of these guys could match such a feat
Could you show me the scan of him being stated that?
Sure, where he stated what part? WordPress is a little odd in that I can’t tell which comment you are replying to in the thread and since it’s so long I want to make sure I know which scan to grab
where he was stated to destroy 100 opponents in .1 of a second.
Well that was the first speed feat but the ftl thing was later when he broke Protoman’s sword
bass is 2d object level
Still OP though
as op as a 2d object is
Okay, let me clear some things up.
Bass is not the strongest character in fiction, and I’ll happily debate you on that topic if you want.
I gotta disagree with that for sure. Who do you want to put against Bass?
Okay, so. I want to clear some stuff up DReager.
Bass is NOT the strongest character in fiction, nor is Mega Man, nor is anyone from Mega Man, in fact, I’ll list off some verses with characters that would body Bass: Madoka Magica, Umineko, Marvel, DC, Pokemon, Digimon, Dies Irae etc.
Many of which have shown feats greater than Bass has ever shown, and before you give me that “BASS IS UNBEATABLE” shit, Mega Man has shown to have defeated Bass on multiple occasions, and no, Bass is not more powerful than Mega Man.
I’ll happily debate you on the topic of Bass vs anyone of my choice.
Megaman as a verse typically isn’t too high tier, but the Battle Network is crazy strong. Bass and Megaman are at the top of the food chain but there is a bit of a drop off after those two. Madoka characters are good, but lack raw power. Marvel and DC typically lack speed while the mon shows have a decent amount of everything.
Bass is definitely stronger than Megaman, the hero just has protagonist luck.
Absolutely, who do you want to pit vs Bass?
Okay, I know, Battle Network is the most powerful Mega Man verse, and they are decently haxxed, but NOWHERE near any higher dimensional characters, (aka 5D and up). Let me debunk you on your statements, “Madoka characters lack raw power” Remember that time when Madoka became a goddess and rewrote the concept of witches out of the multiverse? Yeah, that already debunks you on that statement, and no, power doesn’t always have to be physical to qualify. “Marvel and DC lack speed” Yeah… No, most of the higher beings in those verses have something called “omnipresence” and before you complain “BUT THAT DOESN’T TRANSLATE INTO COMBAT”, That could mean that they could always keep up with another character, no matter the speed.
Anyways, I’ll give you some options on who I have.
I can debate using…
All of those are definitely tempting options, but maybe lets go with Mario. After all that guy’s only Street Tier at best so I’m interested to see how you’ll pit him against a multiverse buster like Bass.
Omnipresence just isn’t very handy in a fight. It just makes you very easy to hit. As for Madoka rewriting reality, that’s good, but it also won’t help in a fight. All Bass has to do is launch one of his big Darkness Overload blasts and it’s all over. He’s just not going down easy or at all really
Sorry for doing this on a previous post, but okay, Bass vs Mario, and since this is composited, Paper Mario is allowed.
Anyways, you go first.
No prob and absolutely, composite time.
Well to start with Bass has the edge in all categories.
Power: Bass shook the planet merely by powering up
Speed: Bass was FTL in base form
Durability: Bass endured hits from Hubstyle Megaman who was on par with him so also planetary level at the time.
Mario would die before he grabbed his first coin
I digress. Mario has been shown to at least be Large Star Level, at his very least. Comparable to Luigi, who has shown to manipulate entire stars, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOc86LQURjQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1035
Yoshi, who turned Raphael the Raven into a constellation https://youtu.be/qjAHyEYK-AM?t=3m16s
And Bowser, who has tanked black holes. https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Metal875/Bowser%27s_Black_Hole_Party
Anyways, you probably want more on power, so I’ll continue,
He’s Multiversal composited, as he defeated Dimentio with the power of the pure hearts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6PXnZsf0cs ,who was stated to be capable of destroying all worlds, all dimensions and possibilities, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbtv4N3ZjM&feature=related , which there are countless universes in https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperBearNeo_X/Mario_Cosmology_%2B_Misconceptions#Cosmology.C2.A0
He fought the Millenium Star https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabhgjDweuQ&feature=youtu.be&t=16m24s who flew from the center of the universe to Earth in a couple of seconds
which is casually Massively FTL+. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3mNv9dXPto&feature=youtu.be&t=9s
His speed is Infinite composited, as he kept up with Dimentio, who can move after The Multiverse is destroyed to create new worlds.
Now finally, his durability,
His durability is Multi-Solar System Level as he infused with 150 Power Stars, and multiversal composited, as Dimentio was unable to beat Mario once he was enpowered by the Pure Hearts.
All in all, Bass gets wrecked by Mario.
All of these feats don’t hold water though. For the speed with the Star, did you actually watch the boss fight? They weren’t fighting and the Star was really slow. Travel speed doesn’t equal combat speed as we’ve mentioned and the Star clearly isn’t fast in a fight. Likewise, Dimentio can travel worlds but in combat speed he’s like a human. Mario’s lost to random magic bolts in the past so his durability isn’t anything special. The large star stuff from Dream Team is fun, but those aren’t actual feats.
This is why Mario’s pretty low tier when it comes to power. None of his stats are actually all that impressive. Look at some real cutscenes like the Sunshine intro where he can’t keep up with Shadow Mario or the Galaxy opening where he got wrecked. His speed and power are very ordinary, the writing is on the walls here
Definitely not! I’ll have the reply up at some point later or tomorrow
Sorry for the late reply but, Time to debunk this stuff.
All of these feats don’t hold water though.
” For the speed with the Star, did you actually watch the boss fight? They weren’t fighting and the Star was really slow.”
Okay, don’t judge gameplay mechanics as facts, in fact, if Mario wasn’t this speed, he would simply be blitzed.
Travel speed doesn’t equal combat speed as we’ve mentioned and the Star clearly isn’t fast in a fight.
“Likewise, Dimentio can travel worlds but in combat speed he’s like a human. ”
That’s an asspull all on it’s own, you have no proof to back that up, as you can’t prove Dimentio ISN’T at least MFTL+ nor is only Human Level in combat speed.
“Mario’s lost to random magic bolts in the past so his durability isn’t anything special.”
DReager, we’ve been over this, gameplay mechanics are NOT ways to debunk Mario’s durability, that way, I could say Bass was harmed by Mets, so you get where I’m coming from.
“The large star stuff from Dream Team is fun, but those aren’t actual feats.”
Do you have proof to debunk my claims that they are feats? BESIDES GAMEPLAY MECHANICS?
“Look at some real cutscenes like the Sunshine intro where he can’t keep up with Shadow Mario or the Galaxy opening where he got wrecked.”
Sure, Mario doesn’t usually go full on speed normally, but that’s not proof to debunk all of Mario’s speed and durability feats, as all that plot induced stuff is unquantifiable.
All in all, your claims are asspulls, I can use your claims against you and Mario still stomps.
You’re saying that Mario has to be that fast to keep up with the star, I’m saying that it just makes a lot more sense to say that he isn’t particularly fast.
See Mario’s speed when charging Link? That’s pretty accurate and not gameplay mechanics. Mario’s speed is that of a normal person, it’s gameplay mechanics that make him Look like he’s a lot faster than that.
Dimentio definitely isn’t fast. Look at any cutscene with the guy. He’s also not all that powerful. The guy is one of the most overhyped Mario characters out there. All he’s got going for him is the fact that due to how the Mario games are he can look impressive without actually having the feats to back it up. Beyond that the guy is just doomed.
For the gameplay durability, Bass being harmed by Mets is completely different. That is pure mechanics. Mario lost to a magic bolt in an actual cutscene. Just look at the Mario Galaxy opening again. That was not gameplay mechanics. Bass actually has feats in the manga of being hit with planet destroying blasts and just getting right back up. Mario’s never had a big moment like that.
The Dream Team cutscene is really reaching. That’s Toon Force at best. It’s not a real feat. It’s just Mario and Luigi doing Nintendo things.
Mario was going full speed there. You think he would be holding back when Peach’s life is at stake? That’s just his limitations. Mario’s certainly a very capable guy, but this time he was simply outmatched. It can’t be PIS if it’s constantly happening to Mario. He’s basically just a normal guy with some slight super strength. Statwise I think it’s fair to say that he’s like Luke Cage from Defenders.
The next comment will be our last refutes, and I’ll get someone to judge.
Now onto debunking.
You’re saying that Mario has to be that fast to keep up with the star, I’m saying that it just makes a lot more sense to say that he isn’t particularly fast.
“See Mario’s speed when charging Link? That’s pretty accurate and not gameplay mechanics. Mario’s speed is that of a normal person, it’s gameplay mechanics that make him Look like he’s a lot faster than that.”
Smash Bros isn’t canon, DReager, this doesn’t count.
“Dimentio definitely isn’t fast. Look at any cutscene with the guy. He’s also not all that powerful. The guy is one of the most overhyped Mario characters out there. All he’s got going for him is the fact that due to how the Mario games are he can look impressive without actually having the feats to back it up. Beyond that the guy is just doomed.”
>Dimentio isn’t all that powerful
Dimentio made an entire dimension collapse with a wave of his hand.
HMM? https://imgur.com/fvFbRaN Dimentio stated that he would destroy all worlds and in addition create new ones in his image.
The source of power Dimentio was using, The Void, was stated to be a Inter-Dimensional Phenomena that will destroy all of existence and all worlds across the multiverse. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Sh6b7MSc8&feature=youtu.be&t=139) Said Multiverse contains an unfathomble amount of universes. (https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperBearNeo_X/Mario_Cosmology_%2B_Misconceptions#Cosmology.C2.A0)
“For the gameplay durability, Bass being harmed by Mets is completely different. That is pure mechanics. ”
That’s my point.
“Mario lost to a magic bolt in an actual cutscene. Just look at the Mario Galaxy opening again. That was not gameplay mechanics.”
You’re right DReager, those aren’t gameplay mechanics, as Kamek scales to Mario, he only held off Mario, but that doesn’t mean Kamek is multiversal composited, as he hasn’t shown any feats past Star Level.
“Bass actually has feats in the manga of being hit with planet destroying blasts and just getting right back up. Mario’s never had a big moment like that.”
Well, Mario has done that too, as he took hits from Bowser in Super Mario Galaxy, who was powered by the Grand Star. Sure you may claim “GAMEPLAY MECHANICS” but unlike “Mario was killed by a Goomba” this one actually makes sense. And has proof to back it up.
Most of the stuff is in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckC4NK69xHY
“The Dream Team cutscene is really reaching. That’s Toon Force at best. It’s not a real feat. It’s just Mario and Luigi doing Nintendo things.”
Dreamy Luigi may be less accurate to Mario’s power, but I’ll explain stuff in my last refutation.
“Mario was going full speed there. You think he would be holding back when Peach’s life is at stake? That’s just his limitations.”
Most of these feats don’t apply to the games where “Peach’s life is at stake.” e.g. Super Paper Mario, Dream Team, etc.
So arguments using shit like Sunshine as an excuse isn’t that accurate.
“He’s basically just a normal guy with some slight super strength. Statwise I think it’s fair to say that he’s like Luke Cage from Defenders.”
Far from that, but let’s see what ya got in your last refute.
Super Smash isn’t canon, but it’s the best we can see of what Mario can do. He’s just an average guy. I’m telling you, you’re looking into this too much. Mario’s not the kind of guy who can go around destroying towns and doing all sorts of cool stuff. He can break blocks and move around, but that’s about it.
As for Dimentio, he’s got some good attacks and such. The guy’s a legit 4D cosmic being. That being said, I think he’s still out of luck here. Mario beat him, but that doesn’t mean Mario can do all that stuff. Dimentio likely has limits on his powers so he can only use it in very specific circumstances. That’s what is holding him back here. Mario needs feats of his own, not power scaling.
Sunshine is still key. Look to the big Mario games (64, Sunshine, Galaxy) and you see how Mario actually is.
For my final refute I’m going back to basics. Mario is just an ordinary guy while Bass is a multiversal threat. There just isn’t any comparison between the two. They’re in completely different leagues. Anything Mario can do, Bass can do better. Get Ability also guarantees him the win as well.
“Super Smash isn’t canon, but it’s the best we can see of what Mario can do. He’s just an average guy. I’m telling you, you’re looking into this too much. Mario’s not the kind of guy who can go around destroying towns and doing all sorts of cool stuff. He can break blocks and move around, but that’s about it.”
>Mario is only an average guy
Here is a bare minimum, Mario just casually lifts a castle in Super Mario World, and even if we consider Smash canon, he would have canonically defeated universal threats like Tabuu, Galeem and Dharkon.
“As for Dimentio, he’s got some good attacks and such. The guy’s a legit 4D cosmic being. That being said, I think he’s still out of luck here. Mario beat him, but that doesn’t mean Mario can do all that stuff. Dimentio likely has limits on his powers so he can only use it in very specific circumstances. That’s what is holding him back here. Mario needs feats of his own, not power scaling.”
Okay, now time to start my long refute, at least you put Dimentio where he should be placed at, anyways, Mario didn’t defeat Dimentio alone, as he needed the Pure Hearts, and the Pure Hearts are already quite powerful, as it is equal to the Chaos Heart, which is capable of completely erasing and remaking a multiverse, and the Pure Hearts could undo any damage the Chaos Heart had done, so theoretically, Mario with the Pure Hearts is Multiversal, and don’t give me any inconsistent shit from earlier games before these feats, as games like Sunshine came out before Super Paper Mario, and it’s only logical that this was before Mario got the Pure Hearts.
>Mario needs feats of his own.
Composite Mario has a lot of stuff besides being scaled, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eipOL4mwZc&feature=youtu.be&t=7m2s) He can create entire realms with countless stars, he is powered by the 150 power stars, which could create constellations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO7gkQE6Plg&feature=youtu.be&t=8m30s)
the afformentioned castle lifting, and defeating Super Dimentio (Who’s power I explained in the last refute) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6PXnZsf0cs) and the Dark Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFHL3l3uiow) (although along with Luigi)
Anyways, with that out of the way, let’s get to the last refute.
“For my final refute I’m going back to basics. Mario is just an ordinary guy while Bass is a multiversal threat. There just isn’t any comparison between the two. They’re in completely different leagues. Anything Mario can do, Bass can do better. Get Ability also guarantees him the win as well.”
We’ve been over this DReager, Mario is more than just street level. Now let’s get this out of the way, shall we?
Mario could easily just shrug off any damage done to him by Bass with the Pure Hearts, and being empowered by the Pure Hearts gives Mario multiversal strength and could easily flick Bass with the sheer amount of power he has, while Bass only caps out at Low Multiversal, Mario, with all equipment caps out at regular Multiversal, anyways, I rest my case.
All right, I’ll grant you that the castle throwing feat is pretty impressive. That’s a feat I can get behind as it’s direct without having to resort to power scaling and such. He definitely has more strength than I remembered. Tabuu and the others wouldn’t help much anyway since most likely characters like Sonic and Bayo did all the hard work.
The Paper Mario stuff is fun, but at the end of the day it’s all paper. It’s hard to really quantify that. The Pure Hearts thing is interesting, but it’s hard to say if that’s more to prevent meta shenanigans than physical feats. For example, it stops Mario from just being vaporized, but that may be it. Aside from that Dimentio may not be all that tough so they it wouldn’t require a whole lot to take him down.
Mario may be higher than street level with that castle feat, but he’s still not in Bass’ league. The Pure Hearts won’t be enough to stop any of his Earthbreaker attacks and Bass is also way faster so he would not be hit. I can maybe relent that Mario is city level and that could be stretching it, but this still isn’t really a fight. Bass would win in one shot
We’re done here, I’ll get someone to judge.
Dreager, your arguments are incredibly flawed and your relying on plot devices, PIS, and headcanons to downplay Mario. All video game characters are inconsistent at times and Bass is no exception.
Thing is, Mario’s consistently weak. That’s different from Bass who is always on the high end when it comes to feats. Other characters just don’t hold a candle to him and his greatness
Hey Dreager. It’s been a while, but I’ve been doing some research. Actually, I should say A LOT of research. For the past few months, I’ve realized that fiction is a place of imagination, where your mind can conceive of new things without limit. Let’s talk about it shall we?
To even start off, fiction is a VERY big place. I could simply write off a character that could easily perform all of Goku’s feats, and then adapt to those feats and perform much better feats, and so on. You see, fiction is a place where nothing has to make sense. Goku, after all, is just another fictional character, and while he may be one of the strongest characters on this site, he is, in the end, a creation of humans (if we look at it from our perspective).
Now, based on everything you’ve said on this site, omnipotence and other powers of the like aren’t probably considered to be feats. However, there is something I want to talk about that some characters, like some of Lovecraft’s creations or figures from mythology have: Incomprehensibility. When something is incomprehensible, it cannot be defined, conceived, or understood. Many of Lovecraft’s monsters best fit that word. Based on some research I’ve done, these beings cannot be fully understood to the human mind. Bass, on the other hand, is a character we can understand. He still fights, he’s gotten into battles, but we can still describe him in words. But this logic cannot be applied to beings like the ones in Lovecraft’s books. When entities like the ones Lovecraft wrote are beyond such concepts like fighting, creation/destruction, and life/death, you must realize, there is really nothing Bass could do to these beings.
I do feel like the ‘incomprehensible’ is something that can actually beat Bass. This is because you cannot beat what cannot be defined. I can elaborate much further if you need me to.
Hey, it has been a while! Well, that is a debate I’ve seen online, but one that does have a solid answer. Lovecraft’s monsters can be understood, it’s just that the answer isn’t good for the debaters. Most of his monsters aren’t actually all that powerful. Sure, they’re stronger than the humans and most beings in the verse couldn’t comprehend them, but as the reader we can. They’re just giant monsters like Godzilla only these guys can pass through time and dimensions. That wouldn’t pose a problem to most fighters as a bunch of them can dimension hop like the DIgiDestined. No long as you can leave the plane or fire off good energy blasts no abstract being will ever be able to defeat you
Heh, good response, albeit I do one to point out something you said. You did mention that we, the readers, could comprehend Lovecraft’s creations, but however, I do want to say that probably only applies to the ‘lesser’ beings like the Deep Ones, Old Ones, Cthulhu, etc. If we are talking about beings like Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth, then it’s a completely different story.
Sure, we as the readers can comprehend and understand Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth, but what we know about them is strongly implied to only be an infinitesimally small piece of what these beings really are. There are quotes that do support this, and what we know of these monsters is just our human minds attempting to understand the unfathomable. If you can’t understand if, you can’t fight it. I also do want to say that just because you can fire energy blasts or jump around, doesn’t mean you could harm an abstract being. However, the abstract may not be able to defeat you, like you said. But that leads to a stalemate. So in the end, technically no one would win.
I’d argue that with the partially understood part it’s just the “unreliable narrator” trope. The person speaking is panicking the whole time, but they make it out to be bigger than it actually is. It’s like the Bendy novel where the narrator is constantly panicking and wondering how he can describe something, but it turns out to be minor. While we don’t know everything there is to know about Azathoth, we know enough to place him somewhere.
I think the best way to think of these cosmic beings is that parts of them are scattered around the multiverse and constantly moving like a planet in orbit. That’s why they appear to be confusing because they are never around for long. I do think an energy blast would hurt and destroy them though because energy is already hard to pass through and some characters like Goku could just blast the whole dimension away getting rid of their existence entirely. It just goes back to the old saying, if something’s in your way just keep blasting until it’s out of the way
Hmm, good point. However, the “unreliable narrator” trope is not always used/true. Some of the quotes about these entities being incomprehensible did actually come from Lovecraft and other writers themselves. Not everything written in Lovecraft’s books is told from the perspective of someone in-universe.
Let’s talk about the Goku part. Now here’s the thing about the term ‘dimension’; Dimension does not always refer to a universe. Sometimes, like in the case of Lovecraft’s writings, it may refer to a higher plane of existence, where a universe like ours is just an infinitesimally small part of. Then that universe is another infinitesimally small part of another universe, and so on up to infinity. You cannot destroy higher dimensions in the same way you destroy a universe. That’s because higher dimensions may consist of something that we may not know of, or something that cannot be harmed by a lower-dimensional being. In fact, there are some quotes in Lovecraft’s writings that strongly imply that the 3-dimensional being cannot comprehend the higher-dimensional one due to his/her limited 3-dimensional nature. And, we know, that Goku, is just a three-dimensional being that can fire extremely powerful energy blasts, but nothing suggests he is of higher-dimensional nature. Goku eats just like we do, and he’s been injured/harmed before.
That’s true, but as the writers they’ve got to hype up their creations. It’s like how one of Superman’s writers said that the character was completely unstoppable if he was going out even though we’ve seen Superman losing fights before or a film writer saying his film’s message could never be 100% understood. They do believe it so I”m not saying that they’re bluffing, but I think just about anything can ultimately be understood with enough research.
I think with dimensions part of the challenge is that different verses have different rules for it. It’s like how in DC if you go to the past you can directly alter the future while in DBZ you only create a new path to the future. Personally I believe DBZ’s is how the real world would work, but nonetheless that’s just how things work there. In a series like DBZ the higher plane is otherworld and we’ve seen that characters can get there with pure power. The same is true in DC where characters can punch their way into higher planes. So it’s possible that in Lovecraft verse you couldn’t do that, but we wouldn’t know either way since there is no character strong enough to do that in its series. I’d have to go with DBZ logic here just since they’ve shown that it is possible. In the end hax can usually be defeated by overwhelming power depending on the scale
I’ve felt like you’ve said this argument somewhere before. The thing about Superman is that he wants written in the same way the monsters in the Cthulhu Mythos were. He’s something we could comprehend and relate to. On the other hand, we’re not really meant to relate with the Outer Gods/Azathoth. In addition, if you’ve actually read any of Lovecraft’s works, you will notice that they are meant to be purposely vague; Trying to fully understand the entities Lovecraft created would contradict the whole purpose of the genre he devised, regardless of how much research you do.
You are correct in that verses have different rules for how the dimensions work, but if we are looking at Lovecraft’s works, there is no way for anyone in a lower-dimensional plane to jump to a higher-dimensional one. At least not without the aid of some magical being. Cthulhu, despite his vast power, has never accessed a higher dimension. There are also beings much more powerful than him in Lovecraft’s setting, albeit even they could not jump to a higher dimension. If Goku came into the Cthulhu Mythos, he would be stuck in the 3rd dimensional plane, just like everything else bar Azathoth/Yog-Sothoth/Outer Gods.
Btw, happy New Year
Yeah Happy New Year man!
It does go against Lovecraft’s works to dissect them, but it’s just unavoidable in a debate. We’ve got to break his charcaters down to see why they would end up losing here. Nobody in his universe could dimension hop, but to an extent that is because the human characters don’t tend to be very strong. If you throw someone like Goku in there he would likely be breaking the concepts that were believed to be true simply because his power is so unnatural. He shouldn’t exist by Lovecraft standards so his whole being would start to cause a lot of chaos.
I think I may have found a ‘loophole’ in some things you said above. “Nobody in his universe could dimension hop”
If you’ve read Lovecraft’s works, this isn’t necessarily true. Also, I don’t think Goku could actually do much damage to the Cthulhu Mythos, because there isn’t really anything for him to actually destroy. Goku could probably only beat the Deep Ones/Cthulhu/or several other alien species that inhabit our world. Having real thoroughly through Lovecraft’s works, I can tell you that almost nothing has actually been defeated.
Goku causing chaos? Not when you have beings like Azathoth. To Azathoth, Goku causing chaos would be like a fly buzzing around a human. Even if Goku actually did succeed in doing something that got the attention of the Outer Gods, it’s not like anyone would probably care.
Cthulhu could buy some time by hiding in abstract space or only partially materializing. The problem for him would be trying to deal any damage to Goku though. Even if it takes Goku a while to defeat him it’ll happen eventually while Goku’s speed and defense will prevent the same from being done to him.
Goku wouldn’t need the chaos for Azathoth, he could just win with raw power. Part of Goku’s appeal in this fight is really that he can just run in and land a bunch of blows. It would be very tough for any monster to defeat him because they’re big targets while Goku’s speed makes him untouchable
The thing here is, how do we know that physical attacks could truly kill these entities? While Cthulhu may have been knocked out by a boat, there’s no mention that he was truly dead. Azathoth himself? Being harmed by energy/physical attacks? There’s no evidence of this in any of Lovecraft’s works. This argument is something I’ve heard many times on this site, but it doesn’t seem like it really stands up anymore, due to the fact that it only seems like the only thing that you’ve mentioned (definitely no offense to you or any other user, however).
How do we know that Goku’s energy attacks could harm something like Azathoth? If he were to enter the Cthulhu Mythos, he would only kill the creatures in the 3rd dimensional plane. If we go by how the rules work in Lovecraft’s world, Goku would never understand how the 4th dimension would work, let alone entering and trying to kill something in it. As I said, you can’t harm what you can’t understand.
We know just from scaling the boat. Someone who can shatter whole solar systems packs way more punch than that so it’s an instant knockout. Even if that didn’t happen though we have to go by the feats. Just because they haven’t been injured yet doesn’t mean they couldn’t be. Goku’s way more powerful than anyone they’ve ever come up against. The burden of proof would be on the monsters to show that they can endure such an attack and they’ve never dealt with anything close to as powerful as that
Again, there is no proof that Goku’s attacks would actually harm any of the verse’s higher tiers, however. Even if Cthulhu is killed, there’s no saying beings like Azathoth can. Considering the dude exist beyond infinite dimensions, with a 3rd dimensional being unable to understand a 4th dimensional being, then there is no way a 3D physical attack could harm a being who exists beyond an infinite amount of dimensions. From what I’ve seen, pretty much all of Goku’s attacks are 3-dimensional.
Based on the arguments here, I feel like we’re just going around in circles at this point.
Yeah I think it’s a never ending loop in the argument. Effectively my position is that Goku’s attacks can hurt anyone unless they have proven feats showing that they can tank attacks of that nature. The problem is that high tiers typically don’t deal with physical attacks so there never is any proof. I believe that the burden of proof is on the cosmic beings to show that they can defend while I believe on your side you’re saying that the burden of proof would be on Goku to show that he can harm someone who exists on multiple planes like these guys
So, should we simply agree to disagree? Or should we just keep going, and improve our debating skills? 😎
I’m good with continuing on, debating’s always fun 🙂
Alright, I’ll post my next argument soon.
Looking forward to it!
I’m going to bring in something into the fold that you may or may have not heard about; Logic Manipulation
It’s one of the most terrifying powers in all of fiction, if done right. Now, before you say that you can only do one thing at a certain time (ie, you can only lift a stone or not lift it, alas the infamous God stone paradox), you have to consider that this power defies logic (no pun intended). For example, someone who possesses Logic Manipulation can make it so that a Loss=Win
This would mean that if Bass defeated someone who has Logic Manipulation, he (Bass) would actually lose because the person with the Logic power just manipulated and twisted around the definitions of what winning and losing is.
Logic manipulation definitely sounds like a pretty fun power to have, but I’d argue that the user will know to do the logical choice. He or she can twist the logic around, but ultimately Bass wins in all scenarios. He can find the one where he gets lucky and dies in an instant, but I don’t believe he would be able to find a win. If anything the logical move would be to lose so Bass doesn’t just destroy him. I see logic manipulation as being similar to Vanessa’s ability from Black Clover. You get a bunch of do-overs, but not enough to totally overturn the outcome
You know what.Goku can defeat Bass because he has the power beyond omniversal, omnipresent and can defeat an omniveral person like cell.
It’s a fair point. Goku would give Bass a much better fight than 99% of other fighters for sure
You realize the Abrahamic God is in the roster of Suggsverse, right? And you realize that he is not high tier, right?
Lionel Suggs’ canon is lunacy manifested. His upper level characters are above Omnipotent/fiction/real life.
Suggsverse canon also said that Xeranthemum can destroy real life with a thought, but she doesn’t want to.
The Suggsverse definitely sounds like it gets very meta but at the same time I’m not ready to say that this makes it very high tier as of yet. For example, being able to destroy the “real” world within any universe isn’t too impressive because the real world would be pretty weak in almost any universe you drop it into. It’s also not like any fiction could deal with real life so that means you’re just looking at another dimension hopper. Bass can deal with that using his Earthbreaker skill
Idiot bass wanker
What do you mean?
Bass is weak
I think you meant to say powerful
But why tho?
bass is fodder compared to the living tribunal
Hard disagree personally
Bass is not unbeatble
Nobody can beat him tho
bass is beatable
I don’t think so tho
bass is not the strongest character
Name one guy stronger
bass is fodder compared to toaa
But how tho?