The Molecule Man was once one of the strongest beings in the marvel multiverse. Even cosmic entities like the legendary Eternity acknowledged him. His cosmic power is definitely intense, but I don’t think that he could win this fight. His hand to hand skills aren’t the best and he lacks speed. Invisible Woman wins.
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The Molecule Man almost killed Susan Storm back in Fantastic Four #188. He transformed the air around her into a contracting shell of steel. If she would have dropped her force field, she would have been crushed and if not, she would have suffocated. Either way, she was doomed. It was only because of the Thing’s assistance that she was saved.
That’s true and the Molecule Man is certainly a powerful opponent. That being said, the Invisible Woman has learned to master her abilities over the years so she should defintiely have the edge at this point. She can use a barrier to block the air from Molecule Man and she can also attack with force blasts. I believe that she can overpower the reality warping villain.
How can he lose? He can control all atoms. Even the Watcher said he could destroy the universe if he wanted to. Plus, he could freeze the air around her. Sure, she has her force fields, but i don’t think they could stop him. If you hit the force field hard enough, it will break. Also, he could just keep throwing rocks at the force field until it broke, then deal the final blow.
I believe that Invisible Woman became Captain Universe once. Either way though, I feel like the Molecule Man’s hype is not enough. Changing molecules is great, but Invisible Woman will blast him very quickly and he would have to think about stopping it. It would take too long for him.
did you read his first appearance? he was far stronger than the FF. he could just tear her atoms apart in a instant. i think she became captain universe once, but i don’t think that will help her.
I’m pretty sure I did. I always have fun checking out the retro issues. It’s true that he messed them up, but I find his powers to be overhyped. Invisible Woman would resist his molecule abilities.
i just looked at captain universe’s powers. except for his time travel power, none of them were very impressive. i still don’t think she can defeat the molecule man
Her newfound energy blasts and high speed flight would be what really helps her here.
Why do you make all the marvel powerhouses look so bad?
They just don’t have the stuffing to compete with the other big hitters.
Galactus admitted that with a thought, MM would kill him.
And yes, Galactus was terrified of the guy.
AND MM is above 95% of the cosmic beings in Marvel.
True, but I always thought he was overrated. Molecule Man is good, but even with his fancy reality warping cosmic abilities, I wouldn’t put a whole lot of stock in him.
You mean besides the time he was the only being capable of stopping PR Beyonder?
Yes..
So, a guy who had the power to match PR Beyonder gets beaten by the Invisible Woman?
I’m not gonna even begin with logic here.
I know, it’s a long story!
So Invisible Woman is Galaxy Level?
Fail.
What if I said that she could beat Molecule Man in hand to hand combat?
Yeah.
Shame this blog doesn’t revolve purely around h2h, huh?
True, that would really shake things up!
You do realize captain universe is a cosmic entity too right?
Albeit a comparatively weaker one, it is still under that classification.
Sure, but he is one of the few who has actually proven his mettle
*It*
*It* is one of the few who have actually proven their mettle.
Captain Universe is agender and possesses no definitive appearance.
Also, the cosmic entities have participated in numerous battles both on the physical and metaphysical plane.
You just haven’t been open-minded enough to find them.
You also haven’t been open-minded enough to understand the infinite possibilities that can be had with their powers and their unique physiology.
Leave fictional cosmology to people who actually know what they’re talking about.
Also, you might want to edit your page dedicated to Goku. There are some mistakes you made in his description.
I’m just used to the male host, but the hes and shes are both pretty neat. As for the cosmic beings, keep in mind that the metaphysical planes don’t really amount to anything. As for the physical ones…they aren’t going to help much if they’re not impressive. Trust me, I’ve read a ton of comics and the cosmic guys prefer to sleep on the job than to actually do anything. I physically wince in pain at times when I think about everything they didn’t do for the world. They could have been useful, but choose to watch from the sidelines. Trust me, I’m a cosmic expert and I’m saying that these guys have got to go. They’ve been corrupted by big business.
I don’t see any mistakes in the Goku page. I just checked too.
Maybe they’re too busy working through the MULTIVERSE to stop bank robberies and terrorist attacks because the Multiverse weights more than small crimes and terrorist attacks being committed on one of the smallest planets in one solar system out of billions in an entire galaxy. The only times they do interfere is when they are dealing with forces that will end up harming them in a manner that could (and in some cases almost have) threaten lives in the universe and beyond (i.e: the Infinity Gauntlet, the Cosmic Cubes, The Heart of the Universe, the weird world of cosmic magic, and the Beyonders).
In one of those instances, they were the only ones willing to fight at all. Reed and the Illuminati were trying to stop the incursions, Mapmakers were charting areas throughout the Multiverse, the Dark Cabal were trying to destroy neighboring worlds, and Doom was being…well…Doom.
Of course, you should already know what I’m talking about.
The only people who DID fight back were Thor, Hyperion, Starbrand, and the Cosmic Hierarchy.
The only difference is that it only took ONE drone-like iteration to rip Thor’s arm off, puncture Hyperion’s eyes, and force Starbrand to KILL himself. ONE OF THEM DID ALL THAT.
Yet, the Cosmic Hierarchy fought an army of these godlike enemies.
So, no. They don’t always watch from the side-lines. They only come out to fight when there help is needed. Other times, fighting isn’t the solution and a good conversation usually solves everything.
L.T. even had a bro talk with Norrin Radd. They both were pretty chill about it if we’re being honest.
Even they know some confrontations can be solved without fighting or destruction. They know that there is a balance between being judicious and aggressive. It helps to know they aren’t as violent as the other fictional character I’ve seen.
Usually, only one or two arrive to aid the cause, while the entire Hierarchy rarely needs to the work in complete unison.
Other times they are found in “What If…” issues that take place in other universes in the Multiverse.
Has it ever occurred to you that they don’t fight all the time because they know some problems can be solved without fighting? Do you ever think that there is a way to stop a war with words instead of a physical assault? Do understand that some heroes don’t need to be fighters?
You don’t even know the full extent of their physiology as a result of being on a higher plane of existence. If you did you’d know why they are so powerful. Alas, I would expect nothing less from thee
Well…just to name a few…
1. Goku is not immortal.
2. Goku did not get a grittier character after the Cell battle.
3. Goku did not save the Multiverse from Buu (the existence of multiple universes was not yet established).
4. Goku can only use one type of energy.
5. Some of the images aren’t canon. Two of them were imagined by Goku and one of them never happened in the official Dragon Ball.
It’s occurred to me, but I immediately dispel those notions. If I can borrow a current phrase, They’re Fake News! The cosmic beings all just want one thing, power and domination. They’ll do anything to get it and these guys don’t mess around. They only fight to serve their own interests. They aren’t fighters so we can agree there, but it’s because they’re too weak. Seriously, it’s like going to a little league game and expecting them to hold their own against the MLB. It’s just not going to work. It feels bad at first, but gradually the cosmic beings will get used to being a little lower on the food chain.
1. Goku is since he was allowed to keep his body. Now he will never age even after he dies and he can keep on fighting forever.
2. He absolutely did. Remember how he threatened Supreme Kai more than once in Arc 3? He was pretty unhinged the whole time and could snap at any time
3. Goku did save the multiverse. Buu was going to destroy everything and Goku just took him down like nobody’s business
4. This one’s valid
5. They don’t have to be canon as long as they happened. The imagination ones are a little iffy so I’ll have to double check if they were ever used in the card games or in what if scenarios
*Maybe they’re too busy…*
6. Trunks was the one who finished off Frieza AND he did it with far more efficiency and speed.
7. Goku did not defeat Cell. Gohan was the one who bested him when he returned with instant transmission and Gohan’s evolved Super Saiyan form.
6. Well, I said that he saved the universe from Frieza which is what he did. Frieza was unable to do anything for around 3 years. Goku could have beaten Frieza again rather easily if he wanted too although there definitely would have been more collateral damage since Goku would have egged him on.
7. Goku saved the universe because he transported Cell away not to mention that he could have possibly beaten Cell, but just wanted Gohan to get some street cred.
I’ll get to the main comment with the first 5 points later.
The events I referenced prove otherwise.
Seen as how you still have yet to display any knowledge of cosmic physiology, you still have yet to see the full reason why experts in the comic book industry recognize their power.
Until then, you can’t really call yourself a cosmic comic book expert.
1. Ageless? Yes.
Immortal? No
Goku may have lost the capacity to age, but he still retained the capacity to die by other means. He’s still mortal in that sense.
2. Seems like the same Goku to me.
He gets serious when situations heat up. Like that time he threatened Gohon when he was fighting Frieza. He has that balance in character that leaves him nice when needed and serious when the fires of his wrath are fed!
Goku’s character still stayed the same after his fight with Cell.
3. No, he did not.
The existence of multiple universes had not yet been established. Believe it or not, a specified number of universes is different from an actual multiverse. The differences can be easily seen if you understand fictional, theoretical, and applied cosmology.
DC and Marvel seem to have it down in that regard.
The universe was the only thing in peril at that moment and time.
5. Okay, but you’re making a set up that could lead to less than legitimate character feats being used by other visitors.
Trust me, I’m a cosmic comic book expert. I am as far above club soda routines…as they are above me. Now, as far as the cosmic guys go, you have to realize that they’re all egotistical maniacs with a cruel sense of power. They’ll do anything to get what they want and aren’t above breaking the law. These guys are no heroes…they just want to be heroes.
1. Ageless is the same thing as being immortal. That’s because every being can die, whether they be immortal or mortal. Immortals just can’t die of old age, which is the same case as Goku. Most cosmic beings try to act as if they can’t be destroyed, but we know that this is false.
2. No, Goku was clearly unhinged. Remember when he told Piccolo that he would handle the Supreme Kai? Classic Goku would never have made such a threat. I could barely recognize the Saiyan when he would appear. The guy scared me…and I’m a huge Goku fan!
3. You don’t have to establish something for it to be the case. Put it this way, Megaman NT Warrior never talked about the multiverse, but we know that Bass could break one if he wanted too. It’s still there in all fictions, which is why I usually say that universes equal multiverses. Some just decide to mention it while others do not. Buu would have destroyed everything
5. Don’t worry, if they try to bring something that’s not legitimite I’ll shut them down. I’ll use reason to show them what is right!
Like I said, the events I referenced prove otherwise, and you’re not a comic expert.
You THINK you are, but I’ve seen you make numerous mistakes in your assumptions before. Like that time you thought Wally the God Boy was a kid being possessed by the Presence or when you assumed the cosmic entities had never fought before.
I’m also going to rephrase the point I made concerning cosmic physiology. I can already tell you barely know anything about it and probably have no plans to change that.
You just dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your opinion, but you need to realize that not everything does.
Not everything has to.
You have not provided any real proof that reveals any indication of them being more evil than the characters you worship. Henceforth, I have no reason to believe they are the bad guys.
So?
There are numerous beings in other fictions who have lost the capacity to age. That doesn’t mean they can’t be killed by other means. It just means that they can’t die from old age. Those are two different variations of immortality that rarely come in pairs for characters.
2\Aaaaand Goku’s never been unhinged before?
Remember the Frieza saga when he threatened his son twice when he was worried about him? He also has other moments where he realizes a situation reaches a level where you need to buckle down. As far as I can tell, that WAS still classic Goku. Nothing changed other than his relationship with his son.
Actually, you DO need to establish something in order to make it the case. You can’t just assume the multiverse was involved in this cataclysm. Dragon Ball doesn’t even HAVE a multiverse. They just have a uniformed collection of universes in a circular orientation.
A multiverse has a more complicated structure than you realize; one that no character in Dragon Ball has the capacity to shatter yet.
Suggesting the multiverse was involved is the same as embellishing the truth. Which, in actuality, is lying.
Once again, it would be wise to leave fictional cosmology to people who understand it.
I do. That’s why I leave the fictional cosmology to myself most of the time
Please…
If you knew about fictional cosmology, you would recognize their power for what it really is.
You think I just place the cosmic entities on such a high level due to hype?
No.
Their physiology STATISTICALLY makes them nearly invincible.
It’s been established before.
Still, I fail to see what makes them more evil than every other character in fiction.
They haven’t really done anything that makes them more villainous than the other characters you’ve presented. If anything they look like the real heroes by comparison.
All right, lets calm down here. As an expert in fictional cosmology, I feel obliged to tell you that it’s all hype. They aren’t actually all that tough. I’m also not saying that they’re more evil, just that they’re not heroes. Trust me, I wouldn’t trust these guys with my Cheese sandwich! They only look out for themselves
Then explain fictional cosmology.
Explain their physiology.
Explain the roles of the Presence.
Give me a run down of Aztar’s life story.
Tell me who the mortal enemies of the Kree are.
Tell me what vibranium is and why its so versatile.
Give me a list of the alien races in the Marvel Multiverse.
What did the Living Tribunal tell Norrin Radd during their cosmic bro talk?
In what issue and universe did Captain America use his immensely enhanced abilities like a madman?
How great is Darkseid’s true power?
Do you even know how far a light-year is?
1. It’s the belief in the cosmic beings of hype.
2. They’re made of cosmic energy itself
3. He is here to make DC characters bow before him. He is The Presence!
4. Never heard of him
5. The Skrull
6. It’s one of the hardest metals
7. Skrull, Kree, Shiar, Celestials, Ancients, etc
8. Be One With The Force
9. The New Avengers comic where he grabbed the Gauntlet
10. Almost enough for him to fight Superman
11. No idea
1. Not. Even. Close
It adopts many aspects of theoretical and applied physics as well as astronomy. There are many cases where science has helped verify a character’s powers. Flash’s infinite mass punch utilizes such principles.
However, what you described bears a great resemblance to what many atheists suggest when referring to religion.
2. It’s not just the cosmic energy that makes them powerful.
Their natural physiology offers them an edge against most characters.
3. Incorrect.
He has never forced anyone to bow to him.
Also, before you start with your nonsensical banter concerning your conspiracy theory about the cosmic entities being bad guys (which you have little to no proof of), you should know that the Presence has power on par with the primordial lord of darkness, a being capable of thwarting Doctor Fate, the Spectre, and the angels of Heaven with no problem whatsoever. He was the only one strong enough to encounter him, until they reached an understanding.
He’s also had other exploits of power, such as holding all of existence and having the power to destroy it, creating all life in the form of the Hand, resurrecting the Justice Society in the form of the Voice, and acting as the limitless energy that gave heroes, villains, and gods their powers as the Source.
Most of his actions can be seen in events beyond the Multiversal barriers, which would explain how he was able to hold reality in his hand.
4. YOU DON’T KNOW WHO AZTAR IS?
5. Good. The Kree-Skrull War was a particularly fascinating point in Marvel history.
6. Okay, there is more to vibranium than hardness. Doom discovered this in his attempts to conquer Wakanda.
You also failed to explain why it is so durable.
7. There are several others. The Moloids, Brood, Chitauri, Asgardians, Eternals, Deviants, Flora colossus, and so forth.
The Marvel Universe is surprisingly extensive in the lore when it comes to alien races.
8. No.
9. No. He didn’t go mad with power there. He only used the Gauntlet momentarily in order to stop the incursion.
In the issue I am referring to, he quite literally went on a manacle rampage as a result of his corrupted perception of American values.
10. The Darkseid Superman has been fighting isn’t even the true Darkseid.
The REAL Darkseid has power that easily dwarfs the avatars he’s been sending to face other heroes.
11. Seriously?
You slap a *faster than light* label on almost every character on this blog, yet you don’t know how fast light is?
*Sigh*…
For future reference, a light-year is 9.5 trillion kilometers.
To put that into perspective, a person traveling at light speed is going 300,000 kilometers per second…
I’ve learned a lot about astronomy in my past.
So, you score comes down to 13.6%
I decided to give you half credit for the alien races.
1. I’m just not on the cosmic bandwagon. Science can be helpful, but we can’t take it too seriously in fiction.
2. Yeah, physiology is certainly important.
3. It’s still not that impressive imo.
4. I seriously don’t. Is that guy “tough” or tough? It’s a cool name at any rate.
5. Yeah, those were the good ole days for sure!
6. Well, it’s a really strong metal. It absorbs impacts which makes it tough to be destroyed unless you’re Goku or have Gamma radiation.
7. There are a ton to be sure. We could go all day naming them.
8. Booo. I haven’t read that comic yet though.
9. The Ultimate comics then?
10. That’s pretty neat. Seems like a really random plot twist that shouldn’t exist, but I can roll with it.
11. That’s good to know. It’s definitely real fast!
13%’s not bad. That’s still better than what I’ve been scoring in the Dailybreak quizzes.
1. They seem plausible in most instances. Even the cosmic entities have aspects attributed to physics. Ironically enough, those attributes place them above the laws of physics as well,
2. It’s more important to know what that physiology actually offers.
3. Ummmmm…I’m pretty sure possessing limitless energy and having all supernatural power in the Multiverse AND the sphere of the deities at your disposal puts you a great bit higher than your opposition. The Overvoid seems to be the only thing he can’t match (for obvious reasons).
4. Essentially, Aztar is a fallen angel from Heaven.
He was one of the angels that assisted Lucifer when he rebelled against the kingdom of Heaven and it’s champions. Fortunately, he desired redemption and was accepting of any punishment. However, this punishment would involve him serving has a vessel for the Divine Wrath of his creator and losing what little memory he had as an angel. Henceforth, he fell from on high and was transformed into a spirit with the power to exact divine retribution on any foolish enough to oppose the balance.
Even Superman was no match for his power.
So to answer your question…yes he is very, very tough.
5. I guess, though many changes seem to be working in the comic industry’s favor now.
6. The only people I know of who have managed to destroy vibranium are the Serpent, King Thor, Doctor Doom (with the Beyonder’s power), Thanos (with the Infinity Gantlet), and Molecule Man (for obvious reasons).
7. I believe we can both agree on having little desire to do that.
8. It’s cool.
Like Secret Wars II, it only got a little popularity for a small handful of reasons relating to the few instances that help fans in respect threads and debunking.
9. X-men.
10. Seems like a reasonable indication that explains why Darkseid was one of the few who were unaffected by the crises from the past. Either way, that confirms his ability to defeat Superman now.
11. Indeed.
Fun Astronomy Fact: Our galaxy is over 100,000 light-years in diameter, and it’s not even one of the larger ones.
Now THIS I could do all day.
Okay, but you should expect more experienced comic readers in the future who can probably shoot questions even I can’t answer.
Still, I’m comfortable with admitting I’m not one of those experts as of this point and I have little to no intention of becoming one.
1. I mean, they’re plausible until they’re not. It really depends on if the writer knows anything about physics and that’s never a guarantee. It is useful to know though, Physics can be interesting when it’s not aggrivating.
2. Like how Kryptonians are virtually all powerful.
3. Those abilities aren’t great though. Throw in super combat speed and an expertise in martial arts and then you’re going places.
4. Okay,that guy sounds pretty fun. I’m calling plot hax on the Superman part, but it’s always good to have some new opponents for the Man of Steel.
5. I dunno about that. Granted, I am really behind with the comics, but they had been going downhill the last few times I was checking them out. Both companies, but DC made a full comeback. Marvel had still been sliding.
6. A pretty impressive list of fighters
7. Absolutely
8. Ah, sometimes the obscure ones are the best ones
9. Cool. A nice guest star appearance
10. I still disagree on that one. Superman’s too fast and strong
11. Yeah, you’re definitely really knowledgeable on the sciences.
That’s pretty humble of you. I still consider myself to be a global expert on just about every topic that I get really into. It just feels good to be able to walk around and say that and I know enough where I feel like it’s a reasonable claim.
I’m pretty sure we are all underestimating Invisible Woman here. Invisible Woman is easily the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four and Molecule Man cannot break through her force fields. She can go invisible, go behind, snap his neck, and the battle is done. Invisible Woman Wins.
Yeah, Invisible Woman is lethally powerful. She can also just make a barrier inside of him which would definitely not end well for the villain. Molecule Man is also really strong but not strong enough