Kouki returns for another victory! The Presence won’t really fare any better than the One Above All did. Let’s face it, the Presence is strong, but Kouki is just stronger. We can’t underestimate his abilities and Kouki’s powered up forms make him even stronger. There aren’t many cosmic beings who can hope to challenge this fighter. Kouki wins.
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Look what the Presence does here:
i.imgur.com/UIDxFX5.jpg
Image doesn’t work either.
Originally had a picture were he holds a spiral galaxy in his hand. Links constantly take down pictures for some strange reason.
That is pretty impressive, but Kouki was able to throw a punch at the main character of the season and is able to merge with his Digimon…well he is a Digimon, but same diff.
Does the link work now?
Fraid not.
F@&£! I believe I forgot to add http:// to the link.
Still won’t work tho.
Dam them, they keep taking down my pictures.
They’re just too fast!
FeelsBadMan
Yeah, I have an Imgur account although the website is constantly taking the pictures down.
Well, at least it shows that the mods are still active I suppose.
http://www.comicsrecommend.com/images/dc/crisisoninfiniteearths_007_Krona.jpg
Link didn’t work to be honest.
Dam, these internees are pains, but I know honestly that there’s an image of the Hand of the Presence holding an entire spiral galaxy.
That’s good and all, but is it enough to beat Kouki? We still don’t have much evidence of Presence being able to actually fight.
What’s stopping the Presence from crushing Kouki? IIRC the Presence was holding and crushed the spiral galaxy, this was sighted at the DC Universe’s creation.
Because that may have been a meta moment and not his actual size. Not to mention that Kouki can fly and has super speed, he will be hard to grab and Presence couldn’t hope to endure his energy blasts.
@Dreager1 That wasn’t a meta moment. It was first sighted at the Universe’s creation.
Yes, which is sketchy to begin with, but remember how slowly it was closing in Justice League? According to that show, the hand wasn’t all that large as the universe was pretty small at the time.
LOL The links work for me but not for you?
Maybe it’s because I’m on a desktop and you’re on a Ipad, Mobile, Laptop, or something else. Either that or it’s just rigged like the average Summer Blockbuster film’s ending.
I’m talking about the comics, not the show.
Yes, but the show accurately depicted it
But anyways, what’s stopping the Presence from crushing his opponent? It still held a galaxy. And even if it was moving slow, Gurren Lagann or TTGL is similar. Going by regular speed it would take several million years to move a arm.
It may not have been the size of a galaxy though so that’s where the problem is. It may have just been building size at the time.
The Hand was responsible for the creation of the DC Universe. If that’s not the case, how did the DC Universe came into creation then?
Maybe there was a big bang or Superman Prime hit the universe so hard that the explosion caused it to be created. Also, keep in mind that many characters have good creation feats, but they don’t necessarily translate well into combat moments.
LOL The Hand was responsible for the DC Universe. Just come to accept the fact. No wonder they had a “Dreager Effect” page on Factpile. Lol.
I remember that affect. It felt good to be honest. I’m legendary!
http://www.fictionalbattleomniverse.com/t1369-the-presence-and-the-primal-monitor-are-the-same
You do know that the Oresence was holding the entire DC Multiverse in this link right? It shows scans that the Presence and the Primal Monitor are the same being,
He can hold it, but can he take a punch from Superman?
Yes.
Don’t know if this works but:
No worries, the link works
It’s the Hand. An aspect of the Presence
I’d say that he’s probably the coolest aspect. He looked good in JL Unlimited
Yes, the Hand held the entire multiverse as we can see it formed in the last picture.
It is pretty nice to literally be at the center of the universe.
Here’s another scan:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9d70978088517f724c5a39e0cccdb13a-c?convert_to_webp=true
Whoever he is asking better be smart
Yeah, and the Presence can teleport:
That could help him get a slight edge over TOAA since he’ll have better mobility then
Yeah, it helped him crossed a realm very far away as in the scan.
“That need not trouble us.”
-The Presence
Definitely not someone you want to mess with
http://s151.photobucket.com/user/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/media/Lucifer364.jpg.html
The ability of flight.
Pretty Impressive
So The Presence is NOT a powerless being or an old man. If you saw my scans, he’s no hype.
He’s not completely powerless, but he is basically an old man who can’t really fight. He can teleport and levitate which helps a little I suppose. Not enough to beat Kouki though in case that’s what you’re suggesting.
And what proof do you have that can’t use his aspects to fight? The Hand created all of DC. That was just an aspect of him.
I don’t need proof. The burden of proof is on the Presence to show that he can fight.
Heh, Take a look at this:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/respect-the-presence-1727419/
Honestly, that was probably the emptiest respect thread that I’ve ever seen. Where were the feats?
The Presence kills Elaine:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fictional-battle-omniverse/images/9/96/Perfect_Existence.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151114201238
Finally. See, this is something I can work with. Presence has an electric umbrella which can zap a person with a good amount of zap behind it. Most excellent, this cements his position as being above TOAA
Above TOAA, below the Man of Miracles.
I dunno if about the Man of Miracles tho
Here’s Man of Miracles merging with Spawn which outs him above the Presence by feats:
Hmm, interesting enough. Spawn still seemed in control though
Yeah, but after that he became Omega Spawn.
Let’s move this discussion to Man of Miracles vs Bass thread since this isn’t related to the Presence.
Sure, we wouldn’t want to diverge too much. Poor Kouki has been left in the dark for just about the whole convo
Omega Spawn is definitely a pretty cool form
Not much of a fight here. I’m pretty sure I remember The Presence being killed by Gabriel Hornblower after being impaled. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111302904/5566914-death%20of%20the%20presence.jpg
He also directly told his son Lucifer that he was shaped by external forces. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/13/134418/2823465-2487076_1829681_presence_super.jpg It never really said who these external forces are, but they are most likely from what I hear a group of alien guys called the Monitors. The Monitors are just regular aliens, and Superman soloed all of them by himself! Kouki’s strength and speed outclasses all of the Monitors and would simply be too much for The Presence! Kouki should easily win this.
Wow that really makes the Presence look awful to just get wrecked by a stab like that. It’s definitely hard to take him seriously although at least it sounds like he got a pretty sweet shadow power up out of that which isn’t a bad deal