Meta Knight vs Bowser



Suggested by Sonic It’s time for Meta Knight to return and now he’s up against big bad Bowser. Bowser has a lot of raw strength at his disposal so he won’t go down easy. That being said, Meta Knight’s speed is going to be key here. He can keep taking shots at Bowser while dodging all possible counters. That’s always been a recipe for success in a fight and that will be true in this round as well. There just isn’t much that Bowser can do to stop him here. Meta Knight wins.

141 thoughts on “Meta Knight vs Bowser

  1. It´s just a matter of time that Giga Bowser hits meta Knight and when he does Meta knight would be badly damage and if Giga Bowser hits Meta knight at least one time that should be enough because of two reasons. 1. Meta Knight hasn´t show many durable feats and since Giga Bowser is twice more stronger and durable then Base Bowser just imagine how much damage Giga Bowser would do to meta Knight since we see that Bowser´s attacks are really powerful. When Meta Knight is gets badly damage Giga bowser will finish him off with his hot flame or just stomp him.

    • The key part will be if Bowser can hit Meta Knight and I have my doubts just due to how massive the speed difference is here. Meta Knight’s blows will also deal enough damage where he should be able to finish Bowser off before taking any real hits. It’s what hurts Bowser most of the time. He has a lot of power but not enough speed to really use it

      • Meta knight can´t escape Giga Bowser´s attacks forever and like is said: Its just a matter of time that Gigs Bowser hits meta knight and with one punch or too will be enough to finish him then Giga Bowser will kill him by burning him or stomp him.

      • This plays out sorta like the Charizard match although it is a lot closer to be sure. Meta Knight will take longer to beat Bowser and his durability is also weaker than the Pokemon’s. So it does come really close but I would make the case that Meta Knight would land enough blows to win before he gets hit

  2. Nah, believe me it will take longer than that and I assure you that since Meta knight hasn´t prove any incredible durability feat, he only has prove that he can keep up with Kirby a little bit but still Bowser would finish Meta Knight in just two, three or four punches. Plus Meta knight´s attacks doesn´t make much damage so it will take him some minutes to bring down Bowser by his attacks but it won´t give him time because its just a matter a time that Bowser lands a fatal blow on Meta Knight and that would be the end for him.

    • Yeah Meta Knight doesn’t have a whole lot of durability, but trust me his speed is the real deal. Keep in mind that this guy was actually blocking hits from Marth and zoomed over like a blur bullet. Bowser probably would have a hard time even keeping up with his speed visually. Meta Knight can then keep on poking at Bowser with his sword moves until the guy goes down

      • Like I say its just a matter of time that Bowser leaves a fatal blow on Meta knight and Bowser is much faster on his shell. Believe me that I don´t see Meta knight take Bowser´s attacks for so much longer while Meta knight will take him very much to take Bowser down with his swords attacks since we have seen it doesn´t do much damage like Bowser´s attacks.

      • Well I would say that this is the closest battle for Bowser easily. It is just barely that I believe Meta Knight would be able to outmaneuver him for the win. One wrong step and Bowser would definitely crush him.

  3. Its just like I say, Meta Knight may be able to avoid some attacks with his incredible speed but he won´t be able to continue like that. Bowser will finish him just in 3 or 4 punches and if he does a flying slam or bowser bomb it will be all over for Meta knight.

    • 3-4 hits probably is all it would take to be honest so I agree there. I just don’t see Bowser being able to land those hits. I can’t find a time Bowser has managed to hit anyone who was even remotely fast. I feel like he would be completely out of his league here

      • Trust me, its just a matter of time Bowser hits meta knight, he can´t escape forever and his flying slam and Bowser bomb will finish him off.

      • Bowser Bomb is one of his slower attacks though. His best bet definitely would be the flying slam but Meta Knight flies at incredible speeds so that is why I would still have my doubts

  4. Its just a matter of time that Meta knight gets hit. He can´t escape forever. So trust me that Meta knight wouldn´t be able to do anything here.

    • It is only a matter of time but it’s still too short before Meta Knight lands the deciding blow. Bowser is a very powerful fighter and one of those villains you do not want to mess with but he needs something more to be able to stop Meta Knight

      • Meta knight will land some hits but Meta knight´s hits doesn´t do so much damage so it will take him a long time to bring Bowser down doing those types of attacks because of Bowser´s impressive durability. Bowser will leave Meta Knight so much damage with his fists, drop kick, flying slam, or bowser bomb the Meta knight will be finish in just 4 or maybe 5 hits. And Bowser can burn him too with his hot flames.

      • It does really come down to whether Bowser’s durability can outlast Meta Knight’s speed. That’s just something I’m not too confident about. Bowser just doesn’t strike me as someone who is super durable to the point where he can survive Meta Knight’s onslaught. The guy is very skilled don’t get me wrong, but a match for Meta Knight? I’d have my doubts on that. A few of the shadow strikes will deal massive damage here

  5. You are saying me that Bowser isn´t super durable?
    Durability of Bowser: Resisted being crashed by a train, resisted being stomp by robots and castles, resists lava at any temperature, resisted a supernova, resisted fall to the sun and a star, resisted a black hole, and resisted the Big Bang. Bowser is more durable and can sure take a punishment. The shadow strikes may do some damage to Bowser but Bowser´s attacks will be more deadlier than Meta knight´s. meta knight may dodge some attacks but not all of them, believe me its just a matter of time he gets hit. Bowser´s dropkick, bowser bombs, and flying salms will do a massive damage to Meta Knight and it will surely end him.

    • Yeah I’d say he’s reasonably durable but not enough so where hw would be able to tank a lot of hits from Meta Knight. Trust me, that’s just not something he’ll be prepared to deal with. Meta Knight also deals out massive damage with each attack and that will also quickly unnerve Bowser.

      • Bowser has been able to survive worse things than attacks from someone like Meta Knight so he can sure take a punishment from Meta Knight so he can take the hits for so much longer. Lets not forget he has a super durable shell and he has too a shield in the abdomen that can protect him very much so that makes Bowser super durable. His shell has been able to protect him from May rocks hitting him in the back and it protect him from his castle falling to his back and the shell hasn´t had any scratch and since Meta Knights´ shadow strikes is an attack from the back then the shell of Bowser will protect him from that. Its just a matter of time Meta Knight gets hit, he can´t dodge attacks forever and the hits from Bowser will do massive damage to Meta Knight and he would be finished in 4 or maybe 5 punches and his flying slams, Bowser bombs, and dropkicks will finish Meta Knight. Lets not forget Bowser has to Giga Bowser and Giant Bowser and those from increase Bowser´s durability and strength so Meta Knight´s speed and attacks won´t be very effective and also Bowser can just wish him away with his Dreamy form.

      • Bowser can survive some pretty terrible punishment to be sure, but that’s different from taking direct hits from someone like Meta Knight with intent to destroy. What can Bowser possibly do to survive such an onslaught? He may be the King of the Koopa but he’s not invincible. Meta Knight’s shadow strikes are the best bet so the shell being a good defense is key but Meta Knight can adjust his swing on the fly so he doesn’t bump into the tough exterior. I’m confident that this will do the trick with his counter moves. As for wishing Meta Knight away with his Dreamy form….that’s not really going to do much here

  6. Bowser can still take a punishment from Meta Knight. he could even be able to dodge or block some attacks of Meta Knight since we have seen him dodge some things like in Mario Odyssey he was able to block Mario´s attacks and in Smash Bros Brawl he was able to dodge Pit´s arrows too. So that means that Bowser can dodge or even block some attacks of Meta Knight. Bowser was able to take direct hits too from Mario so he can be able to take Meta Knight´s direct hits too.
    Bowser will be able to hit Meta Knight even when he is flying then Meta Knight will receive so much damage and it will continue like that. Then Bowser´s strongest attack will do the trick here, Meta knight won´t be able to handle Giga Bowser´s and Giant Bowser´s strength and durability and their attacks will leave Meta Knight with so much damage that he will probably won´t be able to keep up. Bowser´s wishes will work on Meta Knight and don´t say it won´t because he has willpower because he doesn´t have a will that can protect him from things that could kill him. He hasn´t show anything of willpower in the Kirby´s games or series. Meta Knight will then fall to the ground.

    • Sure, but Bowser dodging Mario’s attacks doesn’t help much since Mario’s fairly slow. Meta Knight does have an uphill battle here but I’m just not sure about Bowser being able to take him down for the count. What we need is a game where Bowser is able to go all out and demonstrate his speed. A game where he doesn’t have to hold back anymore so we can better gauge him

      • mario isn´t slow he is very fast we have seen him be able to run very fast and in Smash he has some very fast attacks. Bowser was able to escape a black hole 4 times. A black hole is something inevitable that even light can´t escape! So that means Bowser is FTL speed, no way Meta Knight can compete with something like that! Bowser´s attacks will do some great damage to meta Knight and will be able to defeat him very quickly.

      • You’re trying to apply real world physics to a game with toon force. Bowser escaped the black hole as more of a power feat than a speed one. He’s definitely not FTL. I wouldn’t even say Bowser is supersonic speed

      • Any proof that he used brute force? I already said that you need to use speed to escape a black hole, its impossible that someone escapes a black hole with strength even for someone like Bowser who can lift many tons. He should have used speed and we know that is true so Bowser is FTL speed.

      • Yes, my proof is every scene we show has Bowser forcing his way out of the black hole with brute strength. He just reaches out and pulls himself out. So that’s the proof that it has nothing to do with speed

  7. To escape a black hole you need to use speed not brute strength, plus in the guide it doesn´t sya he escaped a black hole by using strength. Bowser is FTL speed, you need to be FTL speed to escape a black hole and Bowser has already done that 4 times!

    • I don’t know about that, looked to me like Bowser was using pure strength to break through that time. Usually it is speed as you mentioned but not quite in this case. This time it was all pure power and brawn

      • Its impossible that someone escapes a black hole with brute strength even for someone like Bowser who can lift many tons. You need to use speed. Bowser definitely escaped a black hole by using speed.

  8. Its still impossible for someone to escape a black hole by using brute strength even someone like Bowser who has super human strength. He has to use speed.

  9. You need to be FTL speed to escape a black hole and you know that. Its impossible for someone to escape a black hole by using strength, you need to use speed. Bowser is FTL speed.

      • Bowser escaped a black hole 4 times! A black hole is something that light can´t escape! So that means Bowser is faster than light.

      • No, it’s not consistent with anything we’ve seen from Bowser so it’s a lot more likely that he used brute force to break free

  10. Like I say ´´Have any proof?´´ It is impossible for someone to escape a black hole with brute force. Speed is the thing you should use to escape a black hole and you know it.

      • When does we see Bowser using brute strength. Even though Bowser is super strong he can´t escape a black hole by using strength he has to use speed.

      • We literally see it in the cutscene as he struggles to grab onto the black hole and then pulls himself out. There is no speed involved there

  11. We never saw Bowser pulling himself out of a black hole. Maybe in inside story he pulled himself out he escapes launching himself out and the black hole couldn´t suck him when he launched himself out so he must have launched himself in a speed faster than light so that could explain everything.

    • We see him break out. If you’re talking about the times he fell into one and then returned in the next game, keep in mind that Bowser knows magic. It would be very easy for him to simply teleport himself back into reality without having to go faster. The whole FTL argument makes no sense because if he could move at that speed then he would have

      • When have we saw Bowser using magic in Inside story to escape a black hole? I mean I know Bowser knows magic but we never saw him using magic to escape a a black hole.

      • Right, but we’ve only seen Bowser escape a black hole one of two ways.

        1. Bowser just crawls out using physical power
        2. Bowser escapes but we never see exactly how

        So I’m saying in the second instance it is more likely that he used magic than that he suddenly moved faster than light. I don’t think we’ll ever know one way or the other but that has a better chance in my view

  12. I already said that in inside story Bowser launched himself with a speed that even the black hole couldn´t suck Bowser so that means that speed that Bowser used to launch himself out of the black hole is FTL.

      • Yes it has to do with speed. If Bowser really isn´t FTL seed then when he launched himself out of the black hole then the black hole would have sucked him but it didn´t. Bowser must have launched himself out in a speed faster than light.

  13. When he launched himself out the black hole couldn´t suck him back so Bowser must have used a launch speed that is FTL speed so that explains everything.

      • A black hole can suck an entire planet that is obviously more heavy than Bowser so it means the black hole can take heavy people like Bowser, but that is not my point. My point is that since he was able to launch himself out of the black hole without he sucked him back then that means he use a speed to launch himself out that is faster than light.

      • I still disagree. From what we’ve seen of Bowser he doesn’t even have supersonic speed. So to jump all the way to saying he was able to move faster than light due to a scene where he gets through a black hole seems like it is not a very likely case. Strength makes a lot more sense

  14. What would strength involve in something that you launch yourself of a black hole in a speed that even a black hole can´t suck? He launched himself out of the black hole in a speed that the black hole couldn´t suck so that means that speed that used Bowser is FTL.

    • No, Bowser’s not even supersonic. At best he’s just using strength to try and resist the black hole’s influence. I wouldn’t call him super slow or anything but…I wouldn’t call Bowser all that fast either

      • He was able to launch himself out of the black hole with a speed that the black hole couldn´t suck him back so that speed that Bowser used to escape was FTL speed. If it really wasn´t FTL speed then the black hole would have sucked him back but it didn´t. You are right he isn´t supersonic speed he is FTL speed!

      • I think you’re focusing too much on real world physics here again. Put it this way, if Bowser was FTL speed why has he never ever used it in an actual combat scenario? Trust me, he would if he could but the guy just doesn’t have that kind of ability. And it’s okay, not every fighter needs to be crazy strong like that

  15. He doesn´t use it while fighting because he isn´t fast in feet like Sonic or Flash or Quicksilver but if he has proved to escape a black hole then that means FTL speed.

  16. He literally launched himself out of the black hole and the black hole didn´t suck him back so that means the speed Bowser used when he launched himself out must be FTL speed.

      • How could power help him launch himself out of a black hole and couldn´t sucked him back? Speed must have do all the job in that part. When he launched himself out the black hole didn´t sucked him back and if Bowser was really not FTL peed then he would have been sucked back but he didn´t so when he launched himself out he must have used a speed that the black hole couldn´t suck him back so that speed he used is faster than light.

      • It’s just enough power and weight where the gravity doesn’t affect him. It’s like if you stand in front of a tornado and don’t get pulled in because you have super durability. That’s all Bowser is using here, sheer defense to keep himself in the game. It’s got nothing to do with speed though because Bowser’s not that fast

  17. A black hole can suck an entire planet that it has more weight than Bowser so the black hole could handle Bowser’s weight and have we seen Bowser using power or defense to get out of the black hole in inside story? The answer is: No, he may have usen strength when he pulled himself out but speed does all the rest of the job. Bowser launched himself out of the black hole and it couldn’t suck him back so he used a launching speed that is way faster than light and its a very good reason. I already gived my conclusion so it is your turn. Bowser is FTL admit it.

    • I have given my reasoning. Bowser has never showed anywhere near that kind of speed before so it’s more likely that he was just able to resist the black hole’s effects with his power and weight. That’s how the King of the Koopas rolls and it worked out well for him here. He’s definitely not FTL though

      • I am going to say this one more time and I hope you understand it: A. Black Hole. Can. Suck. An. Entire. Planet!!!! That is obviously more heavier than Bowser so the black hole could sur handle Bowser’s weight and have we seen Bowser using anything of his power to get out of the black hole? No, we just seen he used strength and then speed. He may have used brute strength when he pulled himself out of the black hole but when he launched himself out speed does the job there. He wasn’t suck back when he launched himslef out so he must have using a launching speed that is FTL. You know that I have a good point and you can’t argue with that.

      • Put it this way, if the Black Hole could suck up a whole planet then why did it not even suck up the block Bowser was on or the city or anything? What you’re telling me then is that this was a far weaker Black Hole than a real one so it wouldn’t be an FTL feat either way if Bowser pushed past it

  18. But if he didn´t appear in the final fight then he didn´t save Bowser and don´t say Rosalina saved him because he only protected Mario and Peach from the black hole but she let Bowser died.

      • Bowser can only teleport by using the grand star and when he got sucked up he didn´t have the Grand star so he must have used speed.

      • I doubt he used speed though. We’ve never seen Bowser be able to move at that speed before so he would have had a really tough time. He can’t even go supersonic. My best guess personally is that he was saved or the black hole was used as a portal

  19. We never saw too he was saved by anyone and the black hole wasn´t a portal it seemed very real so he used speed. Speed is the only way to escape a black hole and in inside story we saw he launched himself out too and if he is really not FTL then he would have been sucked back but he didn´t so he must have used a launching speed that is FTl. If that doesn´t convince you then Bowser was able to keep up with Starship Mario, which crossed entire universes in 10 seconds, which would mean he can cross 9.1 BILLION light-YEARS every second.

    • Speed doesn’t work though because Bowser isn’t that fast. As for the Starship, Bowser kept up with it using magic and sorcery. There was no other way for him to keep up

      • We just literally saw Bowser launching himself out without getting sucked back! He must have used a launching speed that is FTL. And Bowser didn´t use any magic we saw how he was flying and keeping up with Mario´s starship.

      • Oh, for the one Bowser jumped out of he was using strength there. Bowser was able to force himself back out of the black hole which is an impressive feat in its own right, just not a speed one. He was relying purely on power which is something he definitely has quite a lot of

  20. He may have used strength when he pulled himself out but speed does the rest of the job. He used a launching speed that the Black Hole couldn´t suck it so that launching speed is FTL and you know I have a point.

    • Bowser isn’t FTL though so that’s why your point doesn’t land. We know for a fact that Bowser can’t move at speeds anywhere near light based on how Mario’s always kicking him around the block. I wouldn’t even say Supersonic to be honest as he’s more street level. That rules out speed so strength is the only thing he has left

      • Street level? Okay, let me ask you something…Can someone that can be able to take Black holes, lava, supernovas, fall to stars and suns, able to defeat gods, and be able to survive a Big Bang! Could be street level? Bowser is way higher than that he is universal level and with the Dream stone he becomes multiversal! Bowser is FTL he was able o launch himself out of a black hole without getting sucked back so he used a launching speed that is faster than light. Strength just appears when he pulled himself out but when he launched himself out without getting sucked back speed does the rest of the job and Bowser is able to keep up with Mario´s starship that can travel through entire universes in just ten seconds and Dreamy Bowser scales to Antasma, who took on Dreamy Luigi, who jumped to into distant constellations in a timeframe of one second. Assuming it’s the lowest possible distance, the distance of Alpha Centauri, 4.24 light-YEARS away, Dreamy Luigi can travel 4.24 light-years EVERY SECOND! Knuckles can´t hope to compete with something like that! Bowser just outclasses Knuckles in almost every class! He would be finished by Dreamy Bowser´s wishes.

      • I was saying Bowser’s speed is street level, not that his durability was. The rest of his stats are okay but in speed he’s basically just a human so that’s why all of these opponents could just run rings around him and combo the guy for days. The final scaling things are all exaggerated and don’t help at all. You can’t scale characters in that way

  21. Bowser could escape a black hole! That makes him FTL and he is able to keep up with Mario´s starship that can travel through entire universes in just ten seconds! And Dreamy Bowser scales to Antasma, who took on Dreamy Luigi, who jumped to into distant constellations in a timeframe of one second. Assuming it’s the lowest possible distance, the distance of Alpha Centauri, 4.24 light-YEARS away, Dreamy Luigi can travel 4.24 light-years EVERY SECOND! Bowser is more faster than you think he just outclasses Knuckles in almost everything the only advantage that Knuckles has is intelligence but that won´t do much.

    • The Black Hole feat has already been debunked along with Dreamy Luigi. Dreamy Luigi isn’t any faster than his normal form. Knuckles is still far faster and stronger than Antasma which is why I don’t see that guy being able to sneak a win here. The difference in their respective abilities is just too much that’s why Bowser would end up losing here. Knuckles also being smarter than him is really just showing how massive the gap here is. Anything Bowser can do, Knuckles can counter

      • I am already getting tired of you and your excuses. The Black hole proves everything that Bowser isn´t as slow as you think if he was able to escape a black hole that males him FTL and in the Dream Team guide it says that Dreamy Bowser scales to Antasma, who took on Dreamy Luigi, who jumped to into distant constellations in a timeframe of one second. Assuming it’s the lowest possible distance, the distance of Alpha Centauri, 4.24 light-YEARS away, Dreamy Luigi can travel 4.24 light-years EVERY SECOND! And Bowser is able to keep up to Mario´s starship that can travel through entire universes in just ten seconds. Bowser is way faster than Knuckles. Knuckles may be smarter but that is the only advantage that Knuckles has while Bowser is better than him in almost every class. Knuckles can´t counter that Bowser throws at him he can´t do anything against his superior strength, durability, versatility, speed, experience, arsenal, and better forms. Knuckles is out of hope.

      • You’re still overrating these guys. Look, Bowser is strong but the Black Hole thing was pure power and not a speed feat. Bowser’s still fairly slow compared to someone like Knuckles. Knuckles has the massive speed advantage here as well as multiple super forms so Bowser would never even be hitting him like that

  22. I think you just don´t want to understand. We didn´t see Bowser using power or strength when he launched himself out. Bowser may have used strength when he pulled himself out of the black hole but he uses speed when he launches himself. If Bowser is the really slow guy you say he would have been sucked back to the black hole but he didn´t. So he used a launching speed that the black hole wasn´t able to suck back, so that launching speed is FTL and Bowser was able to keep up with Mario´s starship that can travel through entire galaxies in just ten seconds! That could even make Bowser MFTL speed. While Knuckles hasn´t even be able to outrun a cheetah. Knuckles wouldn´t avoid all of the attacks he will still be hitted by Bowser. Hyper Knuckles may be a problem to Bowser but he has the Dream Stone and he would transform into Dreamy Bowser and he would wish him away. Also did you saw the new Bowser of Bowser´s fury? Just by his look we could all agree that he is very powerful and even his name is God Slayer Bowser he could even be more powerful than Dreamy Bowser! So that would be another form of Bowser that would beat Knuckles.

    • It’s just the most logical conclusion. We already know that Bowser is super slow so then we have to start with that premise to figure out what was happening with the Black Hole. If you ask me the most logical conclusion here is that he just powered his way through and that it wasn’t anywhere near as strong as a real black hole.

      The new Bowser form does look pretty hype. I think they debunked the God Slayer name but I hope in the fandom we continue to use it because it looks hype. I am expecting big things from this form. It looks strong even if it’s a bit slow. I don’t think he would be able to touch Knuckles but I am looking forward to the game. Should have a lot of good action and platforming in it.

      • We just literally seen how he was able to escape a black hole! Stop making up excuses we know that Bowser isn´t really slow since he was able to go to the middle of the universe in just seconds and able to keep up with starship mario who can travel through universes in ten seconds and Knuckles isn´t really very fast too. He didn´t even shown to outrun a cheetah. He didn´t use power in inside story to escape the black hole since we didn´t saw him using magic, defense, or neither power. He may have used strength when he pulled himself out of the black hole but he used a launching speed that the black hole couldn´t suck him back so that speed is FTL. Hyper Knuckles may be faster than Bowser but with the Dream Stone Bowser would become Dreamy Bowser and he would wish him away.

      • We know Bowser is slow from literally every game where you fight him and he moves like a giant monster. Show me a fight where he displayed those levels of speed. That’s why we know that the black hole wasn’t a true speed feat because it wouldn’t make sense. He’s just strong enough to break free. Knuckles is infinitely faster and with the Master Emerald energy Bowser couldn’t wish him away. That’s why Knuckles wins here, he’s just the stronger all around fighter. Aint nobody taking him down

  23. Oh, So I guess you haven’t played Super Mario Galaxy 2. In the final battle Mario and bowser were fighting while there was a giant black hole behind them and Bowser was literally flying around without getting sucked. Bowser is FTL since he can even too keep up with Mario’s starship that can travel through entire galaxies in just ten seconds and he can keep up with Mario who scales to the lumas who are MFTL speed. Knuckles isn’t infinitely fast he isn’t really fast and he would still be hitted by Bowser’s attacks since he can’t avoid everything and you know that. The Master Emerald’s doesn’t have the power to protect Knuckles from the wishes since he never has shown to do that. Show me a scence were the Master Emerald’s energy protects Knuckles and I will believe you but for now he is finished here.

    • Yeah Galaxy 2 is pretty hype. Keep in mind that Bowser has magic and all. That’s not a speed feat, he’s definitely not FTL or even Hypersonic. Even calling Bowser supersonic would be a stretch in my eyes. Keep in mind I like Bowser but he’s just not fast a all. The guy is so slow that in most sport games he is listed as a slow power type. You wouldn’t catch Knuckles getting outrun like that. Bowser can’t wish Knuckles away or he would have tried that with Mario and Luigi. That’s why he will ultimately get wrecked here. He isn’t prepared to deal with someone like Knuckles

      • Ok let me ask you something…How could he have used magic to escape the black hole in MG2 if we didn’t see him use it? I don’t know if you are blind but in the final fight we literally saw Bowser flying around the black hole without getting sucked and we didn’t see him use magic. You must haven’t played MG2 go see in youtube the final fight and you would see he was flying around like a bird without getting sucked nd he didn’t use magic. Bowser is FTL he can even keep up with Mario’s starship that can travel through entire galaxies in just ten seconds and he even keep up with Mario who scales to the lumas that are MFTL. Knuckles doesn’t have the speed to avoid everything it’s just a matter of time he gets hitted by Bowser. Dreamy Bowser can wish Knuckles away he couldn’t do it to Mario and Luigi because they would be protected by Rosalina or Starlow. Dreamy Bowser could use the Dream Stone’s wishing powers and he would wish that Knuckles dies and the Master Emerald’s energy can’t protect Knuckles cause he never has shown the power to do that. Bowser is superior he would wrecked Knuckles without problem. keep saying any excuse without sense that you want but it doesn’t change the fact that Bowser beats Knuckles.

      • I even reviewed Mario Galaxy 2. I’d recommend checking the post out because I lay down a lot of facts. Remember, Bowser isn’t FTL or even hypersonic. I doubt he’s supersonic based on how everyone pummels him. Bowser is street level in terms of speed and that’s why Knuckles would wreck him with ease. Bowser isn’t in the same ballpark and it pains me to say this because I like Bowser. He’s just not very tough compared to someone like Knuckles

  24. I am really getting tired of you and your excuses. Knuckles. Isn´t. That. Fast!!!!!! Knuckles never shown any scene where he runs very fast as Sonic. You just think Knuckles would win because he is faster but that doesn´t proves everything. You think speed is everything but that´s not it. Knuckles doesn´t have the speed to avoid everything and we all know it he would still be hitted by Bowser it´s just a matter of time he gets hit. And if Bowser was able to escape a black hole then he isn´t the person that you think. He didn´t use any of magic, or strength, or defense, or power because we didn´t see him use that in MG2 or Inside Story. We saw how he was flying around the black hole without getting sucked and able to keep up with Mario´s starship that can travel through entire galaxies in just ten seconds. You don´t know what Bowser is capable of so you better do research of him or you won´t know anything. Bowser isn´t the guy you think he is. Another big advantage that Bowser has is hax. Bowser really outclasses Knuckles when it comes to hax and his Dreamy form would take care of Hyper Knuckles. Knuckles doesn´t really have anything to do against Bowser so he would be the one to be wrecked same to Mario and Sonic. Bowser wins.

    • That’s because you’re overestimating Bowser a ton. Knuckles is super fast. Check out how he was against Shadow in Sonic X or when he fought Sonic in the comics. Knuckles is incredibly fast as well as powerful. That’s why Bowser stands no chance here. Bowser is not that strong or fast compared to Knuckles. Knuckles just needs to activate hyper form and he literally stomps Bowser in an instant. The difference between these guys is too great. Sonic would win even easier.

      • And you are underestimating Bowser by a ton. Knuckles isn´t really fast he is just fast in his hyper form. Bowser was able to escape a black hole and able to keep up with Mario´s starship that travels through universes in less than 30 seconds. So that makes him MFTL speed. Knuckles won´t be able to avoid all of Bowser´s attacks it´s just a matter of time he gets hit. Bowser is way more stronger than Knuckles. Knuckles isn´t even close to his strength. Bowser has more advantages than Knuckles: Strength, Durability, Versatility, Speed, Arsenal, Experience, Hax, and magic. Hyper Knuckles may be a problem to Bowser but Bowser just turns into Dreamy Bowser and then he wrecks Knuckles. Bowser wins but not easily.

      • Knuckles is super fast while Bowser is super slow. No matter how you slice it, this is a lopsided win for Knuckles. He wins easily and Bowser has no chance. Knuckles would laugh while Bowser tries to wish him away

  25. You just think Knuckles would win because he is faster but that doesn´t prove anything kid. Bowser is way faster than Base Knuckles because he is able to escape a black hole that is something that even light can´t escape. So that makes him FTL. And even Bowser´s massive durability blows Knuckles speed because he could take almost everything that Knuckles throws at him and Hyper Knuckles may be super fast but Dreamy Bowser would easily wish Knuckles away and the Master Emerald won´t protect him cause he doesn´t have the power to do that yet.

    • You’re missing the point again. Bowser has no real speed. Knuckles would crush him with ease because he wouldn’t be hit and he has enough durability to keep on taking hits over and over again. It’s why Knuckles will win this with ease. Bowser’s not even on the same level to be honest

      • Bowser escaped a Black hole in: Mario Galaxy 1, Mario galaxy 2, Bowser Inside Story, And in mario party. If he escaped a black hole then that makes him FTL speed he can even be MFTL speed since he can keep up with Mario’s starship that can travel through entire universes in less than 15 seconds and was able to go to the center of the universe in less than a minute. Knuckles isn’t super fast like Sonic I would say that Base Knuckles speed is normal so it’s just a matter of time he gets hitted and his durability isn’t as impressive like Bowser’s. Bowser hands down when it comes to durability so he sure could take almost everything of Knuckles attacks. Knuckles would resist some of Bowser’s attacks but just for a few minutes. Knuckles would even admit that Bowser is a really powerful and tough opponent for him and he would say he isn’t really easy to take down since Bowser is almost indestructible. Bowser just has many advantages: Strength, Durability, Versatility, Speed, Experience, Arsenal, Hax, and Magic. Knuckles is very powerful and someone not very easy to take down but he isn’t prepared for someone like Bowser.

      • You’re getting confused again. Bowser escaping the black hole is just power. In some of those games like Mario Party that’s just toon force. Bowser is really slow. Keep in mind that Mario is consistently shown to be faster than Bowser and it’s not like he’s a regular speedster either. The only logical conclusion we can come to here is that Bowser just isn’t so fast. There’s no shame in that either by the way. Some characters just weren’t meant to be super fat. It’s why Knuckles would easily crush Bowser though

  26. Are you calling Bowser fat? You must be blind since in Mario Galaxy 2 we just saw how Bowser was flying around the black hole with getting sucked and we didn’t saw him use power. Accept it Bowser is FTL stop making excuses that doesn’t make sense. Bowser can even keep up with Mario’s starship tha in less than 15 seconds can travel through an entire universe and he keeps losing to Mario because he is able to move as a bolt of lightning and he scales to the lumas that are MFTL. Mario is way more powerful than Knuckles too. Knuckles isn’t really fast so he would still be hitted by Bowser. You just think Knuckles wins because he is faster. You think speed is everything that you need to win but you are totally wrong.

    • I only said that Bowser’s not very fast. His minions are always calling him overweight but it doesn’t matter. The key part here is that Mario is always running rings around Bowser and he’s just an ordinary plumber. Imagine what Sonic could do to the poor chap. Bowser wouldn’t even know what hit him. He’d be running scared the instant that the battle started. That’s what would really put him on a nervous streak. Trust me, Knuckles wins this one with ease. He’s faster and stronger

      • Mario can move as a bolt of lightning in Mario Odyssey and he scales to a luma who is MFTL so he is very fast too. Sonic wouldn’t dodge all of Bowser’s attacks he would still be hitted by him and he is FTL since he can escape a black hole with ease. You don’t know what Bowser is capable of so you better do research of him kid. Knuckles stronger than Bowser? Three words: No. Freaking. Way! Bowser obviously has the strength advantage. Knuckles isn’t even close to Bowser’s strength since Bowser is able to lift his castle and other amazing strength feats while Knuckles hasn’t even show to be able to lift a giant boulder. He isn’t faster too since Bowser is able to keep up with Mario’s starship that can travel through entire universes in less than 15 seconds and able to escape a black hole without problem. That makes him even MFTL speed. Bowser is more stronger, durable, and faster. In the end Knuckles won’t end well.

      • We already went through this, Mario doesn’t scale to Luma and he’s fairly standard in terms of speed. Sonic’s way faster and he would beat Mario in his sleep. Likewise Knuckles would crush Bowser too. Keep in mind that Knuckles is the guardian of the Master Emerald and can even use its energy to power himself up. When you put that into perspective it means that Bowser is really out of luck here. He wouldn’t even be able to keep track of Knuckles’ movements

  27. In the Mario Galaxy Guide says that Mario scales to a Luma. And also he was able to move as a bolt of electricity. Sonic may be fast but we all know just because he is fast it doesn’t he isn’t untouchable it’s just a matter of time Mario lands a deadly blow on Sonic. And also I already told you Mario can counter Sonic’s speed with his power up time freeze. And also Mario has multiple ways to defend himself from Mario’s attacks. He could use the star, become invincible, and immune to Sonic’s attacks. You are really overestimating Sonic.
    Knuckles may power up from the Master Emerald but Bowser can do that too. He would use the Dream Stone and become Dreamy Bowser and wish him away and the Master Emerald can’t protect him. Bowser could even turn Knuckles into a brick without problem. Knuckles isn’t really fast and he would be wrecked by Bowser.

    • It doesn’t. Show me the page where you saw that. I can tell you now that it doesn’t exist. Sonic’s way too powerful for Mario. Speed is a huge factor. You can’t beat what you can’t catch. That’s one of many reasons why Knuckles and Sonic would clobber Mario and Bowser. The latter two just don’t stand a…ghost! of a chance against them. They would be crushed with ease and no mercy. It’s part of what makes them such terrifying characters. Mario wouldn’t land any hits. Keep in mind that the length of the battle would probably be like a minute or so. Sonic would have him down for the count within that time. He doesn’t scale to Luma either which makes things even worse for Mario because now he is really going to get stomped. All Sonic needs to do is flex a little and then start throwing the hands. At that point Mario is sunk.

      Bowser’s power ups aren’t as good as Knuckles though. Knuckles is protected so he couldn’t turn into a brick and then he would finish Bowser off for good

      • You know Mario has been able to dodge lightning, lasers, and meteors and that makes him very fast and Bowser is able to react to the comet observatory that can go to the middle of the universe in 5 seconds and Mario’s starship that can travel through an entire universe in ten seconds so that makes Bowser MFTL speed. Sonic may be fast but we all know just because he is fast it doesn’t he isn’t untouchable it’s just a matter of time Mario lands a deadly blow on Sonic. And also I already told you Mario can counter Sonic’s speed with his power up time freeze. And also Mario has multiple ways to defend himself from Mario’s attacks. He could use the star, become invincible, and immune to Sonic’s attacks. You are really overestimating Sonic.
        The Dream Stone is way better than the Master Emerald since he can grant you any wish and Bowser could even absorb the Dream stone and become Dreamy Bowser who is thousands of times more powerful than Base Bowser and his even a multiversal god who can create and wish anything. Knuckles isn’t protected by the Master Emerald since the Master Emerald hasn’t shown be able to do that so he would really would be finished by Dreamy Bowser and also Bowser can just turn him into a brick

      • Mario isn’t that fast though. Just look at any of the cutscenes. He’s pretty much normal speed and Bowser is even slower. Sonic would be taking him down with ease. Just punching the plumber until he eventually goes down. Mario won’t even be able to land a single blow. Same for Knuckles and Bowser. The problem with Bowser is he can’t wish for things like taking Knuckles out of the fight while Knuckles can just pound him into the ground again and again

  28. Stop being such an ignorant. Sonic’s speed doesn’t make him untouchable he would be hitted by Mario. You are just saying the same excuse over and over again. Your only reason that you think Knuckles and Sonic would win is just because they are fast but that doesn’t prove anything kid. Mario has been able to dodge meteors, lasers, and bullets and he was able to move as a bolt of electricity so he would be able to dodge some of Sonic’s attacks too. Keep in mind that Mario has many ways to defend himself from Sonic and he would counter Sonic’s abilities with his power ups. He would use the metal cap for Sonic’ attacks, the time freeze for his speed, and the star to make him invincible and immune to Sonic’s attacks. Mario could even overpower the blue hedge hog. For example he could freeze his solid or turn him into gold. Mario’s superior durability blows Sonic’s speed out of the way too. Mario is just super tough for Sonic he would need more than a combo to beat him. Mario just has the advantage.
    Knuckles isn’t very fast too. You know Knuckles doesn’t have the speed too to avoid everything and Bowser is wa faster since he can escape a black hole and been able to keep up with Mario’s starship who can travel through entire universes in less than 15 seconds. So that means Bowser is MFTL speed. Trust me he has already shown many speed feats and we could confirm he is MFTL speed. Also Bowser would be able to hit Knuckles it’s just a matter of time he lands a blow on him. Even Bowser’s superior durability would sure take many hits from Knuckles and he even has his super shell that would protect him too from Knuckles attacks. Bowser can wish him away with the Dream Stone he would just wish that he dies and that would be the end for him. Knuckles and Sonic aren’t prepared yet.

    • You’re missing all of the points again. Mario isn’t very fast and Sonic’s way more talented and skilled. Knuckles is also far superior to Bowser in all of these stats. Wishing him away won’t do any good. If anything Knuckles will laugh because of how desperate Bowser is. Trust me, this would not be a good look for the Koopa King in the slightest. He’d get run out of town in no time flat.

      • Mario was able to move as a bolt of electricity and even able to pilot his starship that is MFTL speed and also he was able to dodge: lightning, lasers, and bullets. So Mario would be able to dodge some of Sonic’s attacks. Mario is way more experienced and more talented. Keep in mind that Mario has been outsmarting his enemies all the time while Sonic just focus on defeating them by punches. I already told you Mario can counter Sonic’s speed with his power up time freeze and all of his abilities too, they can even overpower the hedgehog. And Mario’s durability counters Sonic’s speed too since he could tank almost all of Sonic’s attacks and if Sonic turn Super Mario just would use the star and become immune to Super Sonic’s attacks.
        Knuckles isn’t superior than Bowser in all the stats, that is just the opposite Bowser outclasses him in almost him: Strength, Durability, Versatility, Speed, Hax, Arsenal, Experience, and Magic. Knuckles only has intelligence. Dreamy Bowser would wish Knuckles away and Knuckles wouldn’t be protected.

      • Nah, Mario’s not FTL or even hypersonic. Remember that he has trouble with Bowser who is quite slow. Sonic has had to deal with real threats over the years. Trust me, Mario’s not ready for this. He couldn’t tank almost any of Sonic’s attacks. Knuckles would also be speedblitzing Bowser for days. The Master Emerald would protect him from any kind of wish and Knuckles would probably just be confused as to why Bowser keeps insisting on trying the same things over and over again

  29. Mario was able to dodge lightning, lasers, and bullets. So he is very fast too. Bowser was able to escape a black hole that requires to be FTL speed to do that and he was able to match Mario’s starship that in less that 15 seconds could travel an entire universe. That makes Bowser even MFTL! You are underestimating Mario and Bowser very much! Mario has defeated gods too in the past! Bowser was able too keep up with Culex! The master of all time. I already told you Mario can counter Sonic’s speed with his power up time freeze and all of his abilities too, they can even overpower the hedgehog. And Mario’s durability counters Sonic’s speed too since he could tank almost all of Sonic’s attacks and if Sonic turn Super Mario just would use the star and become immune to Super Sonic’s attacks.
    Stop making up things about Knuckles. We all know speed isn’t Knuckles strength. He doesn’t have the speed to avoid everything he would still be hitted by Bowser. The Master Emerald has never shown be able to protect Knuckles so he would be finished by the wishes.

    • Knuckles is all facts here. You’ve seen what he can do with his speed. He can move so fast that he can do the spin dash just like Sonic. Bowser wouldn’t even be able to see him coming. Sonic would also crush Mario with speed. Even with the Power Star Mario wouldn’t be durable enough to stand up to one of Sonic’s barrages. Sonic would just take him down for the count and keep it moving. It’s why they call him the Blue blur. Bowser’s nowhere nearly fast enough to keep up here.

      • Knuckles is just fast in his spin dash but in his feet he isn’t very fast. Base Knuckles has normal speed. Stop being ignorant. Bowser has been able to escape a black hole and able to match Mario’s starship that in less than 15 seconds can travel an entire universe! Who can you hope he can match that? Bowser is way faster and also he has shown reactionary feats like dodging pit’s arrows and block Mario’s attacks so he would be able to react to Knuckles attacks. Your only reason that you think Knuckles wins is that he is faster but I already told you 10000 times that Bowser has been able to escape a black hole but you just don’t want to get that in your brain. Bowser’s massive durability would even counter Knuckles and his Dreamy form would care of him with ease.
        I told you too many times that Mario’s time freeze counters his speed and also just because Sonic is fast he isn’t untouchable. Mario would be able to hit Sonic. It’s just a matter of time. And also Mario’s durability would allow him to take many attacks of Sonic and he has his power ups that would help him defend him from Sonic. His power ups can counter Sonic’s abilities and even would be able to overpower him. The star would make Mario invincible and immune since we saw in the Mario games and in Smash he is totally immune to any type of attack so Sonic’s attacks won’t tickle him.

      • Knuckles is fast though. You can’t do a spindash without being fast. You’re mixing things up again. Bowser isn’t very fast at all. Mario is able to outrun him and we all know Mario’s not exactly the fastest guy on the block. He would get stopped real quick here. Knuckles and Sonic would slap these guys silly. Sonic can just punch Mario out of his star form

  30. I already told you this like 1 million times but you still don´t put it in your thick head. In MG2 we literally saw Bowser flying around the black hole without getting sucked! That makes him FTL he could even be MFTL because he is able to keep up with Mario´s starship who can travel through entire universes in less than 30 seconds. Bowser isn´t really slow and even in smash he is able to run very fast and his attacks are fast too. Knuckles isn´t really fast and he would still be hitted by Bowser. Bowser just has almost all of the advantages over Knuckles. Knuckles can´t really hope to do something against Bowser and Hyper Knuckles may be fast but Dreamy Bowser takes care of him with his wishing powers and Knuckles won´t be protected by anything.
    And Mario actually is really fast when it comes to reflexes because he is able to dodge lightning, lasers, and bullets so Mario would be able to react to Sonic. And also Sonic can’t punch Mario out of his star form because Rainbow Mario is immune to any type of attack. We saw in the Mario games and in Smash Bros that nothing can hurt Rainbow Mario. There is not an attack that can hurt him and in Smash we saw too that Sonic can’t even affect him too not even Super Sonic! So Sonic’s attacks won’t do a thing to Rainbow Mario.

    • You’re getting confused. Bowser isn’t FTL or even Supersonic. He’s pretty standard with how Mario is always outrunning the guy. Knuckles is way too fast and would be slapping him around. Bowser’s wishing abilities wouldn’t do a thing to him. Sonic would just punch Mario out of his rainbow form. He’s not immune, it just increases his durability. Trust me when I say that Sonic will not be impressed

      • I see it’s impossible reason with you since you always say the same excuse. In MG2 we literally saw Bowser flying around the black hole without getting sucked so that makes him FTL and he is also been able to match Mario’s starship that can travel through universe in just ten seconds so that even makes Bowser MFTL speed. Mario is very fast too since he is able to move as a bolt of electricity and able to dodge: lightning, lasers, meteors, and bullets. So Mario is very fast when it comes to reflexes. And Knuckles isn’t very fast we all seen that Knuckles never has shown any incredible speed feat so we can confirm that speed isn’t Knuckles’ strength. Bowser is way too tough for Knuckles so Bowser would sure be able to take many hits from Knuckles and his attacks are very powerful since in Smash wee seen that Bowser can knock out a character with just two drop kicks. And also his flying slams and bowser bombs are very strong attacks and would sure leave Knuckles very damaged and Bowser is very fast in his shell too. And he has his Giga form and giant form that increases his strength and durability. He would stomo Knuckles. And even though Hyper Knuckles may be a problem Bowser has his dreamy form and he would wish to the Dream Stone that Knuckles dies and the Master Emerald wouldn’t protect him.
        Rainbow Mario is invincible since we saw in the Mario Games and in Smash that nothing affects him. And even is Smash Sonic’s attacks doesn’t do a thing to him. Not even Super Sonic! So that proves that Sonic won’t even tickle Rainbow Mario.

      • This is going in circles. We already know Bowser isn’t FTL because of how slow he is in combat and all the cutscenes. The Black Hole elements are pure power. Knuckles is a whole lot faster since he can keep up with Sonic. He would easily speedblitz Bowser to the point where the villain would not be able to keep up at all. The gap in their abilities is huge. Wishes wouldn’t work on Knuckles with the Master Emerald plus Bowser can’t wish him away.

        Star Mario is durable but not enough so that he could stand up to hits from Sonic. Sonic is just too skilled and strong here.

  31. We all saw in MG2 Bowser was flying around the black hole and he wasn’t using power. Go see in youtube the final fight of MG2 and you will see that Bowser wasn’t using anything of power. In Smash we see that Bowser can run very fast and his attacks are very fast too. Knuckles may be able to keep up with Sonic but Bowser is able to keep up with Mario’s starship that in less than 15 seconds can travel an entire universe. Sonic wouldn’t be able to outrun that. Speed isn’t Knuckles strength so he wouldn’t be able to speedblitz around Bowser. Bowser is way more tougher than Knuckles so he would sure take many hits from Knuckles and also Bowser knows black magic he can: Manipulate Gravity, shoot lightning from his hands, able to create a castle, make energy balls, time travel, create meteors and black holes, turn people into bricks, etc. And also Bowser really outclasses Knuckles when it comes to hax. Hax is really useful in a fight. Bowser is way stronger and tougher than Knuckles and he has his Giga form and Giant form that would crush him. And also Bowser could wish to the Dream Stone that Knuckles and the Master Emerald won’t be able to protect him.

    In Smash we literally see that Sonic’s attacks don’t affect Rainbow Mario not even SUper Sonic! So that proves Sonic won’t do anything to Rainbow Mario.

    • Yeah the final boss where he says he wished he had some cake and stuff right? I just rewatched it now and they are fighting in space but that’s not a full black hole saying he was moving FTL. If that were the case then Mario would be moving FTL as well and we know that isn’t the case. It’s just standard space maneuvering but nothing particularly impressive there. Sonic would still be wrecking both Mario and Bowser with ease thanks to the speed. As for Bowser vs Knuckles, Knuckles is just a lot more powerful and fast. He would be able to speedblitz Bowser before he even has time to look around. That is what will really hold the Koopa King back in the end. There’s just not a whole lot that he can hope to do here which is a little disappointing I’ll admit but it’s the way that it goes. Wishing won’t do anything here and Super Mario isn’t invincible. Sonic will still be able to knock him out just like he took out Tabuu

      • My god who can you be this stupid? You just can’t say the black hole was false if you don’t have any proof. So if you don’t have proof you better shut your mouth. Mario is very fast too since he is able to move as a bolt of electricity and able to dodge: lightning, lasers, meteors, and bullets. So Mario is very fast when it comes to reflexes. And Knuckles isn’t very fast we all seen that Knuckles never has shown any incredible speed feat so we can confirm that speed isn’t Knuckles’ strength. Bowser is way too tough for Knuckles so Bowser would sure be able to take many hits from Knuckles and his attacks are very powerful since in Smash wee seen that Bowser can knock out a character with just two drop kicks. And also his flying slams and bowser bombs are very strong attacks and would sure leave Knuckles very damaged and Bowser is very fast in his shell too. And he has his Giga form and giant form that increases his strength and durability. He would stomo Knuckles. And even though Hyper Knuckles may be a problem Bowser has his dreamy form and he would wish to the Dream Stone that Knuckles dies and the Master Emerald wouldn’t protect him.
        Rainbow Mario is invincible since we saw in the Mario Games and in Smash that nothing affects him. And even is Smash Sonic’s attacks doesn’t do a thing to him. Not even Super Sonic! So that proves that Sonic won’t even tickle Rainbow Mario.

      • You’re overestimating Bowser again. There was nothing in that fight to suggest he is even remotely fast. Mario and Bowser are very standard. Trust me, I like Bowser so I don’t like having to knock him around like this but it’s just the way it is. Sonic and Knuckles are far more powerful fighters because their speed is what keeps them up. Bowser can try to throw a million punches but they would dodge each and every one of them. Sonic would punch Rainbow Mario and his gameplay mechanics out with ease. That’s his true skills

  32. You are clearly underestimating Bowser. You don’t know what impressive things he has done in the past. Stop making up excuses you can’t say it wasn’t speed that help Bowser get out of the Black Hole if you don’t have proof. He was literally flying around the black hole without getting sucked. That clearly makes him FTL. He didn’t use anything of power or defense. Knuckles never has shown an incredible speed feat and we never have seen him run very fast like Sonic so he is standard in speed. Bowser is far more powerful than you think. He has been able to keep up with Culex and able to destroy a whole universe! He has been able to pull an island, lift and throw a giant cannon ball, carry and throw his castle, pull out a giant carrot, pull a giant statue even while they are many people pushing it and much more! He know black magic. He is able to manipulate gravity, turn people into bricks, shoot lightning from his hands, make energy balls, create shock waves, create bubble creatures, etc. He is clearly one of the most powerful characters of Nintendo. Do some research. Knuckles can’t run very fast we never has seen him be able to move faster than light or anything so he is standard. Bowser punches are even far more powerful than Knuckles’. He may cause volcanic eruptions by punching the ground but Bowser has been able to one punch peach’s castle so hard that make an entire tour around the world in seconds. Bowser is way stronger and durable. His attacks would cause him great damage to Knuckles. He can turn into Giga or Giant and squash Knuckles or he can just wish to the Dream Stone that he dies and also in Smash Sonic can’t affect Rainbow Mario so that proves Sonic wouldn’t even be able to tickle him.

    • We know Bowser didn’t use speed though because he’s not very fast. That’s why we can discredit the whole FTL thing right off the bat. Now as for the super strength and such like that, it’s still not going to be enough to take Knuckles down. Keep in mind that Knuckles is much faster than than Bowser will ever be. Additionally, he has his Master form to end things in an instant. Also, most Fire Emblem villains could give Bowser a run for his money so I’m not sure about saying that he is one of the most powerful Nintendo villains. As for Mario, Rainbow form isn’t enough. Sonic still has the massive advantage in both speed and skill. That’s why Mario really won’t have a shot here.

      • You can´t say that Bowser didn´t use speed to escape the black hole just because you think he isn´t that fast. You need to have proof and I have already have mine. We just saw he has been flying around the black hole like nothing. That means he is FTL and Knuckles never has shown any incredible speed feat so he is not very fast. Bowser has been able to destroy a planet and a universe and has been able to keep up with Culex. He is almost immortal since he has been able to come back after many deadly things that no one could survive like a black hole, supernova, fall to a star and a sun, lava, and a big bang. No way Knuckles could survive that. He could also surpass donkey kong in strength who can make earthquakes by hitting the ground. Bowser knows black magic like: manipulate gravity, turn people into bricks, shoot lightning from his hands, make energy balls, create shock waves, create bubble creatures, etc. Bowser can turn himself giant whenever he wants and increases not only his size but his strength too. Bowser is on a big and superior level than Knuckles. He is way stronger and durable than Knuckles his attacks would cause him so much damage and he could turn giga or giant and squash him or just wish to the Dream Stone that he dies. Bowser is definitely one of the most powerful characters of Nintendo.
        And even though Sonic is fast Mario could just use the stopwatch and freeze time and finish him. His rainbow form would be totally immune to Sonic as we seen in Smash that even Super Sonic can´t do anything to him.

      • We do have proof though, literally everything Bowser has ever done in the games. We know for a fact that he is super slow because of his portrayals in every game. What’s more likely, that he somehow became FTL in one game or that he used his strength? Have you seen Bowser’s Fury yet? He was very slow there as always. Bowser just isn’t a speedy character and it’s something I think we’re just going to have to live with for a long while. This isn’t Bowser’s show to win, not anymore at least.

        As for Mario, his rainbow form increases his durability but that’s it. Sonic would still overwhelm him with punches and just knock the guy out

  33. Superhuman strength: he is canonically stronger than both mario and Wario together,Wario is canonically stronger than mario who kicked away a neutron star in mario galaxy two,a neutron star weight over 1.4 solar masses,which is more than the weight of our SUN! Bowser could easily destroy our planet with a punch!

    Superhuman speed: he ran fast enough to burn all of his fat,making him easily faster than sound.

    Superhuman durability: Bowser survived black holes,bombs,falling into stars,heck,he even survived as a SKELETON without ANY ORGANS OR FLESH. But he’s most impressive durability feat was to survive EXPLODING INTO DUST,in mario party 9,Bowser BLOWED UP! Nothing but dust was left of him,and he just regenerated another body!

    Super intelligence:while Bowser prefers fist over brain,he is actually VERY smart,he stated having a IQ of 9800 in mario party advance! 9800 is HUGE!! He also proved it,he made many robots,laser shooting clown cars,a giant mech of himself and even entire space stations! And Neo Bowser city is a proof of Bowser’s technology and intelligence.

    Abilities:Bowser can create earthquakes by jumping and shockwaves by doing the same,he can enter in his shell,which is as durable as he is,however,it never even got a scratch! Black holes? Stars? Piece of cake! This shell is nearly unbreakable,and he can even spin on it to attack people while being completely protected. He can also control fire,he can breath fire,fireballs,fire lasers and much more! He can even put his fist and tail on fire to attack. He can also use magic,turning people into bricks by throwing electricity/beams,he can control gravity,time travel,create black holes,create realms,teleport,create portals,become giant Bowser and even create his OWN UNIVERSE!

    Power:Bowser created a supermassive black hole by roaring in mario party 9,to create a black hole THAT big,you’d need to blow up a STAR,meaning Bowser can just roar hard enough to blow up stars! In another mario party game,his roars could make islands sink! And in mario party 5,Bowser was powerful enough to CREATE HIS OWN UNIVERSE!

    But giant Bowser is even stronger,that Bowser outran a black hole in inside story,making him MFTL,and he was also strong enough to LAUNCH HIMSELF OUT OF THAT BLACK HOLE!
    You have no idea how powerful is Bowser. So you better shut your mouth if you haven’t done research of him. We saw in smash that Bowser runs very fast and he can even outrun Mario. In MG2 we saw how Bowser survives the black hole and he doesn’t get sucked. And no he didn’t use anything of strength or defense. We see him flying like a bird around the black hole. That proves he is FTL speed. Knuckles isn’t a speed character and we haven’t see him do any incredible speed feat so he isn’t really fast. Bowser is way too strong and would crush Knuckles.

    You don’t have proof that Sonic can punch Mario out of his Star form. We saw in Smash that Rainbow Mario is immune to everything. Sonic can’t even cause him damage not even Super Sonic. So Sonic can’t do anything to Rainbow Mario.

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