God Ginrai is back and now he’s up against Bass! Bass is the strongest being in all of media and with his speed and power, God Ginrai won’t be able to defeat him. Trying to defeat Bass is something that you just shouldn’t even attempt. Bass is far too powerful and will keep on winning. Bass wins.
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“Bass is too powerful and will keep on winning”
These are the worlds of a huge Bass fanboy that should not even be taken seriously.God Ginrai easily stomps him down, in the anime, he has exploded a blackhole and thousands of stars that it has sucked inside while he himself was inside it and he has survived this explosion without getting any damage, and an explosion like that is similar to an explosion of the whole Universe, Bass ins’t even nearly as strong as that and shall never be, thus, God Ginrai wins.
Yet, God Ginrai went down after a really brief fight against Dezares. Granted that his human counterpart was gone so his strength was reduced, but his durability still won’t be enough to stop Bass. Bass is just far too fast at this point! Also let’s not forget about his Get Ability which could copy God Ginrai’s abilities. Still, I do like God Ginrai and he’s a solid character, I just don’t think that he can defeat Bass
Yes, him being separated from the transector he originally used to be with made his power go downhill because the concept of the Masterforce was Human Soul+Transformer=The strongest warrior in the universe.As for his speed, it has been stated in Spark Attack Optimus Prime’s info which is God Fire Guts Ginrai, but in America that his speed and durability and strength become infinite when he reaches the God Fire Guts form in which he makes a huge bullet out of his own body by surrounding it with the flames of the inner energy of his soul.As for Bass copying his powers, Bass and Ginrai are two completely different from each other models of robotic creatures, if you are reffering to the Star Force Bass, he is a virus based robot which steals powers only from program based creatures like himself which makes me come to conclusion that he wouldn’t be able to absorb any of the powers God Ginrai has, but even then, it would be God Ginrai absorbing his since he has absorbed the power of black hole that he went into and it’s explosion energy as well.But even then, I doubt that Bass is powerful enough to absorb soul based energetic powers and copy them.Because the robot himself without the transector has no special powers and is like a usual autobot drone.
This is Battle Network Bass. Wasn’t sure if that was what you meant when you mentioned Star Force. Regarding the absorption, I don’t believe that God Ginrai could absorb Bass’s energy. Gaining energy to boost from the Black Hole was a different matter than stealing someone’s life aura. God Ginrai’s power is never infinite, if they mentioned such a thing, it was just an exaggeration. There’s really no such thing as infinite, since infinite is always getting stronger. Bass’ Get Ability is pretty much unstoppable, but even without that ability he would win. In the manga version, Bass’ speed is greater than Goku’s and his attack power is basically limitless. He can fire energy blasts and reflect any that are shot at him. Bass also possesses high speed regeneration and is basically the strongest character of all time. He has no weak points or anything that could give him a loss in this battle.
lolno, now that’s clearly fake, Battle Network characters are clearly not even in the line of the most powerful characters that have ever exsisted and even then, Bass got defeated by Megaman and he has showed no special abilities that would be considered a threat to God Ginrai, God Ginrai’s armor is tough enough to take an explosion equal to that of universal since the blackhole held inside not Grand Maximus alone, but stars and planets as well which it has absorbed inside itself.You also have no evidence to that God Ginrai can not absorb the energy that bass posseses, Ginrai himself is a creature based clearly on the aura energy which gives him such great power.And in the end of the anime, God Ginrai was also absorbing the soul energy of 3 children which is an another proof to him being able to absorb Bass entirly by sucking his aura out and draining his body, but even if that doesn’t work, he’ll simply use God Fire Guts which shall turn Bass’ whole exsistance into ashes and leave him die.The fire once again is made out of spiritual energy and can burn through anything, even the spirits as was seen in the anime.
Have you read the manga? They’re fairly low-middle tier in the anime/games, but the manga changed all of that. Megaman’s never taken Bass down in a fair fight in the manga. He “won” their volume 5 fight for hero reasons. Bass has shattered a black hole in the manga and caused the whole earth to shake just by powering up. His speed is faster than light and that was in volume 4. The end with the 3 kids wasn’t a feat. That was just the power of believing in oneself and being cheesy. You’re not seriously counting that as a feat are you? Regardless, the kids went willingly, so it doesn’t count as an absorption. God Fire Guts is a decent move, but it’s far too slow to ever hit Bass. It’s basically a fire tackle, which won’t work. Their difference in speed is just too much.
Once again it has been officialy stated that Ginrai’s speed in his God Fire Guts form becomes inifite and by the transformers standards it’s the speed of light, even in one of the episodes when God Bomber project was finished it has been mentioned that God Bomber alone can travel at the highest speeds of sound and once Super Ginrai and God Bomber combine, all of the abilities that both have had in their separated from each other form become one thousand times better.So, basically, God Ginrai can speed up and become fast enough to screw Bass.No, I was not counting that as a feat, if you’d be careful enough, you’d notice that my point there was that he could actually absorb the energy from their souls and you yourself have said that Ginrai can not steal someone’s life aura.But even then, if Ginrai would get tired of trying to catch bass, he’ll simply use his God Cannon which tears through time and space.Come on now, I do love God Ginrai and all, but seriously, Bass is no match for him, he just won’t even scratch him, yes, I also want God Ginrai to be the strongest and he is probably going to go toe to toe with the strongest characters there are, but there are characters in the media that were capable of changing the time and space however they wished and they were god-like creatures and even I am not sure that Ginrai would be able to go against them at all, maybe he has a chance, maybe he does not, but probably not, but I do admit that, at least, while Bass has no ability similar that.So, calling him the strongest in the whole media was a bad idea, really, sorry.
Even if he’s lightspeed, Bass has far surpassed those levels of speed. He was already lightspeed in his debut and that was before he got Hubstyle, Dark Power, and Beast Out. His speed is insanely high and God Ginrai would have a very hard time following his movements. That moment with the kids doesn’t help him in that regard, because he didn’t steal their energy. They gave it willingly. Once someone lets their life force go out to someone, anyone can receive it, so I wouldn’t call that a feat. The God Cannon would be reflected by Bass’s Reflectance ability. God Ginrai is tough, but there’s no way he’d win, and even getting a single hit would be tough. Bass is easily the strongest being in all of media, just saiyan B)
*sigh*…he did not steal their energy, but he has absorbed it, right?Right, therefore, absorbing the energy from somebody’s aura is no problem for God Ginrai, therefore we come to what conclusion?Right, he can absorb Bass’ energy as no problem.As for the God Cannon, do you even have the proof that Bass would be strong enough to even try to absorb some of the energy it has?The energy God Ginrai gains comes absolutely from anything, he can absorb the energy of the blackholes(And the one he has been absorbing from was a non-ordinary one, it has had the energy of Devil Z in it, the energy of the dark spiritual being that was responsible for the creating God Ginrai and other trasectors, but eventually God Ginrai has destroyed him later in the series in the end and that creature was capable of doing anything, turning humans into robots, turning other transformers into the robots with human weaknesses) the God Cannon, once again, was responsible for destroying not that blackhole alone, but stars and planets inside it, so, if he won’t be able to catch up to Bass’ speed, even thought I highly doubt that, he’ll simply explode everything in the range of solar system and far further, not to mention that he himself has survived through such a powerful explosion like that, so yeh, Bass loses either way :p
He gained their energy, but that bearly counts as absorption. When someone transmits power to someone else, they aren’t absorbing it, but receiving the energy. The kids gave him the energy, which is vastly different from taking energy. That means that we still have no proof that God Ginrai could take any energy from Bass. For the God Cannon, Bass doesn’t need to absorb it. Remember, Bass has his Reflectance which reflects all energy blasts aimed at him and then they go back at the opponent with double the strength. Shooting any blasts will just send God Ginrai to an earlier demise. An explosion also wouldn’t work, since the Get Ability would quickly adapt and just increase Bass’s power. Did I mention that he has high speed regeneration? Also, Bass is immune to such blasts, because of his Life Aura. Not even a fully powered Hubblast could penetrate it, so I don’t think the God Cannon would suffice. Still, Bass can either Reflect, Block, or Dodge the blast. Bass still wins this round 😐
Yes, we do have a proof to that, once again, the blackhole was not an ordinary one, but was made out of pure evil energy that Devil-Z possesses, this is just an another evidence to that he can absorb aura-based energy from anyone.Bass would not be able to get any of God Ginrai’s abilities, it is an obvious fact that the only creatures he can steal from are the ones similar to his kind, Megaman and the rest, he just can not copy God Ginrai, he copies robot’s abilities alone, but even if he copies the abilities of the robot itself, he won’t recieve much, because in Victory the robot alone couldn’t stand a chance fighting LioKaiser and Deathsaurus, he won’t be able to absorb both human soul’s and transformer’s abilities, only of the transformer, he won’t recieve much from doing that.No, I do not think Bass would dodge an explosion similar to an explosion that is almost equal to the universal explosion, everything around would simply explode and there would be no place nowhere to run, once again, the power of God Ginrai’s God Cannon can not be bent by anything and can not be reflected, it’s based on the power of aura and soul and it tears through time and space, Bass’ abilities alone are not enough to dodge, reflect or avoid something like that, so he’ll end up being turned to ashes.Once again, God Ginrai takes it.
God Cannon can be reflected unless there is proof that it cannot. It’s a form of energy, so why wouldn’t it be reflected? The explosion is good, but Bass’s barrier will be enough to block it. Not to mention that he could just slice God Ginrai into pieces before he has time to fire the canon. The Blackhole may have been made of energy, but since it wasn’t directly linked to Devil-Z anymore, it doesn’t count as a full energy absorption, since there was no resistance. Bass wouldn’t just let God Ginrai absorb his energy. His Get Ability works on whomever lands a critical blow on him, or who Bass just takes the power from. God Ginrai wouldn’t be an exception. Still, Bass’s speed helps him to end the match before God Ginrai can even use the God Cannon and I wouldn’t call God Ginrai’s explosion around universal level.
I’ve already mentioned the proof to that, it’s power based on soul and aura and it’s energy alone bends time and space and rips through it which means Bass is not going to be able to reflect it in any way, his power alone wouldn’t hold such, God Ginrai also has a fast regeneration, as once, again was seen in the anime,do you honestly believe that some blade is going to even scratch him even thought he has survived taking the universal explosion without getting scratched by it and he haven’t even covered himself with his aura which he also has and which protects him from any kinds of damage, be it physical or enegetic..?Those are cheap thoughts, Bass has nothing on Ginrai unless he is separated with his human counterpart and it was considered universal in the manga.As for Bass’ aura, you didn’t show or mention any proof that Bass would be able to stop an explosion of such great power with his aura alone, plus the explosion won’t be made out of clear outburts of planets and stars, but God Ginrai’s energy too combined with it all together, Bass has no chance of surviving anything like that.God Ginrai wins.We can go on and on, but I’ve named all the feats God Ginrai has and they can all be proven, but you have not yet proved that Bass can survive something like that.
Just because the blast bends time and space doesn’t mean that it can’t be reflected. Reflectance works on all energy blasts that are launched against Bass, so this one would also be reflected. Bass’s strength doesn’t matter when he’s facing the beam, as it uses the beam’s power against itself as it doubles it in power and just brings it back. God Ginrai has survived many powerful blasts, but I don’t recall any universal explosions. After all, he could bearly endure hits from Lio Kaiser and Devil Z towards the end. Those guys were barely planet busters. God Ginrai’s regeneration was all right, but not very quick as they would mostly hit him quicker than he could regenerate. With Bass, it’s just about instantaneous. God Ginrai’s energy blast is hardly universal and Bass has withstood the Hub Blast in the past. I haven’t even used Bass’s fusion form yet, Bass is just far too powerful. Bass wins this match.
God Ginrai
Speed:Super Sonic in normal state, FTL in powered form.
Strength: Since in his weakest armorless state Ginrai was fighting against the raw power of King Poseidon(Which according to TF:Universe is capable of lifting four million tons) I must assume Ginrai’s power was around two million tons at the time, when he combines with his trailer, he quadruples his strength which would be 8 million tons and God Bomber’s power is equal to Super Ginrai’s, when they combine the power of both becomes higher up to hundreds times, which would be 8.000.000+8.000.000*100= 1.600.000.000
Destruction capablities: city block/continent/planet/galaxy/blackhole/universe
Durability: has a very fast regeneration of his armor right after the damage has been took, has survived a universal explosion without recieving a damage
Special Abilities:Is able to set his own body on fire made out of his life and spiritual energy alone which can burn through any material, be it energetic or any other kind.Has been stated that his speed, durability and strength become inifite in such state.Can absorb any kinds of known energy, even if it’s the dark aura based energy or any other kind.If absorbs enough power or has enough stored in his body, can cause a universal explosion by shooting out a powered missle from his God Cannon.Can surround his body by undestrucable aura.
Bass
Speed:FTL
Strength:is capable of lifting anything similar to trucks or any other vehicle with one hand.
Destruction capabilities: city block/planet(cyber beast form)/black hole(cyber beast form)
Durability:Has been taken down by Megaman, survived a blackhole before it has become full powered and absorbed the planet Earth.
Special Abilities:His Get Ability is nothing more than the result of after the fight.The only way he can absorb a power of his opponent is by killing him/her/it.Whatever is the level of the power he’s shown to copy, that’s the limit.
Since I’ve compared all of their abilities, strength and speed, I can easily come to the conclusion that God Ginrai takes this fight fairly easily, Bass can not take the powers of his opponent unless he is dead and the powers and feats that Bass was seen to show represent no threat to God Ginrai whatsoever.
I’m not sure what site you found that data in, but they don’t seem to know too much about Bass. I’m guessing they just flipped through the manga or something, also they seem to be trying to make him look bad. Putting that he lost to Megaman in durability…not very professional. Also, he never lost to Megaman except for plot convenience, so I just have to wince at that. Also for strength, they listed vehicles? That’s definitely lowballing him. Anyway, The Get Ability doesn’t work just by destroying the opponent, that’s just one way. Another way is when The Opponent gets a solid hit on Bass and puts him into a critical state, as seen in volume 5 when he learned Hubstyle.
I’m still going to need to see proof about the universe explosion. I watched Masterforce not too long ago (And own the whole series) and I don’t remember a universal explosion. I’m not sure how relevant TF Universe is, because King Poseidon was very unimpressive. Aside from the fact that he was very slow, his raw power wasn’t very impressive.
Bass’s speed is enough to end this match in an instant. The Get Ability, High speed Regeneration, and Reflectance are just overkill at this point. Bass’s Earthbreaker can end the planet in an instant and his cape negates projectiles. Each of his forms, increases his abilities dramatically as well.
Eh, after all, I guess it’s you who doesn’t know much about Bass and puts his powers alot higher than they are supposed to be, I’ve found out all that info from a couple of anime sites and the guys who wrote it all down even had the screenshots from the manga, and according to the manga and what I and they’ve said, it’s all true, unlike what you say.Judging by his feats, he isn’t nearly prepared to even fight Goku, why even put him against God Ginrai when God Ginrai is obviously on the universal level and Bass is somewhere on the planetary level.
Nah, I know more about Bass than anyone else. Think about it, if those anime sites and guys didn’t know about the Get Ability’s other effects from volume 5, how much do they really know about him? Seems to me that you found a site that had an incomplete profile on Bass that didn’t tell the whole story. Also, Goku could easily defeat God Ginrai so, throwing him into the debate doesn’t change much. God Ginrai is only planetary level and Bass’s speed is a pretty big advantage
Also, transformers:universe is a toy line and on the back of the reissued toy of seacons(King Poseidon) is stated that he is capable of lifting four million tons.The explosion was said to be Universal because the blackhole has absorbed not God Ginrai and Grand Maximus alone, but thousands of stars as well.You can also read Super God Masterforce Manga on the better information about the characters.
The toys?…..that’s hardly a valid source of information. Not saying that they were exaggerating, but sine King Poseidon never showed anywhere close to that kind of strength in the show, we definitely wouldn’t use power scaling to say that God Ginrai could life that much. Nobody in that part of the Transformers Continuity could pull off that feat. That black hole was tough to get out of, but I still wouldn’t call that a Universal Explosion
Well, it definitely was far more than a galactic explosion, therefore it can already be considered at least Universal and information about the characters that is given on the back of the toy boxes are a solid information given by hasbro officialy, because not every character was given it during the anime or comic books even.But if it has been stated that his strength becomes inifite, than he simply has to lift this much anyway.And really, judging by the fact that King Poseidon is capable of lifting this much and had hard time trying to fight against Ginrai in the weakest state, he surely can lift at least two million tons because if he was weaker than that, he’d get stomped on easily.
It is canon information, but not useful for debates. Sure it says that they can do something, but we need proof of them actually doing it. Only shown feats are valid, rumors, hearsay, and official statements don’t count. No such thing as infinite power, since infinite is never ending.
“It is canon information, but not useful for debates. Sure it says that they can do something, but we need proof of them actually doing it. Only shown feats are valid, rumors, hearsay, and official statements don’t count. No such thing as infinite power, since infinite is never ending.”
Exactly, in God Fire Guts form nothing can phase, destroy or surpass God Ginrai’s speed, this is why he was given an infinite power, speed and durability in this mode and it is all canon, he is completely undestructible in this state, just like Super Sonic is in his video game.We must be using the canon information and all the information that I gave away was canon, what’s the point of comparing characters and putting them in a fight if one’s abilities would be made up and the other one’s wouldn’t and would be official?
That’s like saying that Mario’s durability is infinite when he’s with the Power Star since nothing hurts him in the game. He just hasn’t fought a really strong opponent, which is why Mario seems invincible. Super Sonic is not indestructible and can easily be harmed by the likes of Ichigo and Goku. They have their limits. We don’t make up abilities, but we also don’t use text and rumors. We have to actually see the feat for it to be counted. Say Optimus Prime says “300 years ago, Shockwave destroyed the planet of Terron” It sounds cool and all, but it’s not a valid feat. We ened to actually see it
Ah, yes, I have to highly disagree with you on Goku defeating God Ginrai, it takes a planet explosion for a saiyan like himself to die and God Ginrai took far more than that and didn’t die, God Ginrai is simply more durable and stronger than Goku is, even Armada Optimus Prime who is a weakling, compared to God Ginrai, could be even with Goku, there was even a fanfic about it on a DBZ wiki and it seemed to be very truthful to what would’ve happened if Optimus from Armada and Goku would’ve met each other in a fair fight.You really understimate the transformers and that is a very bad thing, because some of them are few of the most powerful beings that stand in line with Goku and some even surpass him and leave him behind, God Ginrai, for example.
It took a planet explosion to take out saiyans with power levels of less than 1000. (Raditz being 1000 and he was tougher than the average saiyan) Not a really fair comparison. Goku gets hit by Galaxy Busters all the time and it never seems to faze him. Goku’s far stronger than any being in the Transformers Multiverse and he could defeat the whole franchise. Goku’s just far too powerful and one of the strongest beings in media. Transformers is a lower franchise in the grand scheme of things, but they can put up a fight. Stronger than some of the other mecha series
Nope, in Dragon Ball Z GT, Piccolo had become as powerful as Goku was in the Buu saga, but he ended up dying from the explosion of the earth, to be correct what killed him was the magma, Broly was also afraid of Magma in his Second Coming movie, the only thing that has protected him from being framed by it is his aura shield which even then can be broken by the brutal force of saiyans and comparing God Ginrai’s unspeakable strength to Goku’s or any other, this shall be an easy one to punch through it and knock the saiyan out.Also, on your place, I wouldn’t be assuming that Goku is stronger than any transformer being, Galvatron from generation one could turn any saiyan from Buu saga to a pile of ashes with his new upgraded fusion cannon and it really is a no brainer of who is going to win, Goku or God Ginrai, God Ginrai can simply use the God Fire Guts move on him and wipe him out from exsistance because it was stated not for once that anything on the way of Spiritual Fire that God Ginrai gives off turns to ashes.Simple as that.
O rly? Piccolo was nowhere near Goku level in GT! He hadn’t improved almost at all since his fusion with Kami in Arc 2. It’s why he’s always getting humiliated by just about everyone that he fought towards the end of the franchise. Where did you hear that he had caught up to Goku? Power levels aside, that shouldn’t have destroyed Piccolo. It was just another in a long list of Dragon Ball GT Plot Holes. Also Broly wasn’t afraid of the lava and it wouldn’t affect him. Lava isn’t very powerful in DBZ world. Goku has endured it in the past. (Tree of Might I believe)
God Ginrai doesn’t have the speed to land a shot in. Even if he did hit Goku, it would do minimal damage. Goku has fought far stronger opponents than anyone in the Transformers Multiverse. Galvatron’s cannon wouldn’t even faze Goku, thanks to his aura and extremely high level of durability. Goku would be the one ending this in a single shot
One is a virtual program.
One is a giant cool robot with a cannon that can mess a lot of stuff up.
It’s pretty much a no-brainer.
Agreed, but I don’t think we agree on the outcome 😎
Bass.Exe will never be defeated and keep on winning?
Megaman.Exe says hai
Megaman eh? I seem to remember Bass completely crushing him in Stream ep 2-3 😎
You’re talking about the anime right?
Well I don’t know how Bass is in the anime,but in the games he got his butt handed to him several times by Megaman.Exe. You made Bass sound as if nothing can defeat him. Which Megaman has proven wrong several times in the games. Sure he keeps on coming back,but that just gives Megaman more time to beat the stuffing outo of him.
Bass is at his best in the manga. The games don’t count since you’re playing as Megaman and you Have to win to progress in the game
The games should be just as canonical as either the manga or the anime. Considering Bass’ first encounter in Megaman Battle Network three he is invincible and the game forces you to lose,then when he is encountered later he is able to be damaged,it just shows that Megaman.Exe spent the rest of the game becoming more powerful,to the point where he was not only able to defeat Bass.Exe but Alpha as well.
Okay, I should rephrase that. The games Do count, but when there is other media, you may not want to look to them for your final conclusions. Bass may have lost to Megaman in the games, but there is no way to gauge their strength since Megaman is able to defeat everyone in the game. It just depends on the player. (Same thing in Pokemon games) Megaman never really got stronger in the game, he was always able to beat everyone. I guess we can assume that he got stronger, since he couldn’t beat Bass…I just never really follow that logic. Megaman beats everyone, from Alpha to Gregar to Gutsman, and they never really take much effort. In the anime and manga, you actually get to see them fight.
Of course, since the blog is composite, we use their strongest incarnation anyway
*sigh* .-. I did not say that Piccolo and Goku were equal in Gt, I have said that in DBZ Gt Piccolo was just as strong as Goku was in Buu Saga and Buu Saga and Gt, but even then Piccolo has got his ass handed to him by lava and magma.And yes, Broly and any other saiyans are indeed afraid of lava, only their enegetic aura saves them, if not that, Broly would’ve been melted down by it, I mean, saiyan skin is weak enough for it to get stabbed by a needle, even a small rock which Krillin has hit Goku with seemed painful when Krillin threw it at a Ssj1 Goku before the Cell games, but that aside, do you have any proof that God Ginrai won’t catch Goku?He can gather speeds faster than the speed of light, also….as I have mentioned .-. for over 9000 times, God Ginrai is a being made out of spiritual energy that is so strong that it can kill dark creatures such as spirits, devils and anything related to that and the fire that his body is being surrounded with when he transforms into his God FIre Guts form is also made from the same energy and it burns THROUGH ANYTHING and turns it to pile of ashes and the fire shall not stop burning until the opponent is down and in that form he is OFFICIALY undestructible and has unlimited speed and strength.Also, there are alot of transformers that would get Goku’s and any other creature from DBZ their buts handed to them.Fortress Maximus(His God Sword is made out of a magical undestrudcible material that cuts through anything and even thought Fort Max is the size of a huge fortress, almost as huge as Metroplex, he is unbelieveably fast for his sizes.G1), Primus(A giant creature the size of a planet because it’s alt mode is a planet, planet Cybertron to be exact, he physically uses two moons as his weapons and has a very large artillery of weapons, about million small cannons that are the size of an average transformer and about twenty huge ones.Just like his brother, Unicron, he has an ability of creating replicas of himself among the multiverse, but unlike him, he can not be defeated and he was one of those creatures who was there in the beginning of everything as a symbol of good while Unicron took a role of symbolizing evil.Galaxy Force), Unicron(A creature that could not be stopped by raw power, only the harmony between good and evil was able to weaken him.Can replicate itself among several multiverses and create shape-shifter creatures that serve him as his soldiers which can scan and transform into a replica of any being.Armada/Energon/Cybertron), God Ginrai(A creature of higher ranks because it uses spiritual energy as it’s source of power, can drain any source of energy to power himself up, can combine all of his spiritual energy and shoot out a huge bullet from his God Cannon which can cause galactical and universal explosions, can also surround his body with spiritual fire which destroys everything on it’s way, his body is undestructible and his strength has no limits in this mode just like his speed.Also has an ability to regenerate any part of his body literally in 1 second.G1/Masterforce), Optimus Supreme(He has become just as huge as Primus and destroyed Unicron, one of the most powerful transformers there are, has telekenesis and great physical strength, can move and toss planets like rag dolls and has twenty huge cannons mounted to his body, each beam is the size of an actual planet.In his small state he was able to do a good amount of damage to Unicron with the electrical waves that he has combined 2/3 of his power into.Energon.)Super Optimus Prime(Has a sword of Vector Prime in his posession which cuts through time and space and any material, has made a huge hole with his body in a planet by an accident while fighting Galvatron and can raise speeds faster than the speed of light.Galaxy Force.), Victory Saber(Has totalled a giant decepticon space ship with his cannons in his jet mode as if it was nothing, his sword is able to cut through the most durable materials in the galaxy, in jet mode he is able to raise the speed faster than the speed of light and is very fast in his robot(combat) mode, G1/Victory), Galvatron(When powered by the source of energy coming from Unicron he is unbeatable and the power of his fusion cannon is immesurable.Has once exploded a planet in his weakest form.He has beaten all the autobots at once, but was stopped by Powermaster Optimus Prime.G1), Galvatron(Is an equal to his nemesis, Super Optimus Prime, was cut in half by the Vector Prime’s sword which is now possesed by Super Optimus Prime.Galaxy Force), Super Starscream(This Starscream is almost as powerful as his commander Galvatron, he once became the sizes of a planet after absorbing Primus’ energy, but even then Primus was able to easily put him down.), Overlord/Gigatron (Is a nemesis of Super Ginrai, can make a short work of a city block or even a whole country with his soul powered cannons mounted to his rib, same goes for his cluster bombs(chokon bolt mashers) which would melt down even the most durable metals there are, his amazing strength he has recieved from the souls of two powermasters Giga and Mega.G1/Masterforce), Black Zarak(This mech is one of the strongest creatures that Cybertron has ever seen, in his weakest form he was able to create a blackhole that was able to drain God Ginrai’s spiritual energy down because it was made out of pure evil material, which God Ginrai has decided to use as a source of energy to destroy the blackhole.Once he combines with the spirit of Devil-Z, he becomes the most dangerous enemy which is able to take human souls and absorb them and transform the human bodies into robots, or even transform a robot into a creature with all the human weaknesses with his dangerous rays that he creates with his Tyrant Spear), Nexus Prime(Easily a combination of five powerful combat vehicles which possess strong artilery, not only firepower is great about this robot, but his physical abilities are just as decent, not only he survives a star meltdown but absorbs the excess energy.Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, and Alpha Trion made a decision to scatter Nexus Prime across the cosmos to conceal the location of the remains of Prima’s Star Saber sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: Skyfall, Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave, who were subsequently lost to the ages.But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of energon, and ability to manipulate sparks.G1/Transformers:Universe), Sunstorm(Shockwave’s experiments to fit a solar-powered fusion reactor into cloned Decepticon warriors reached their fruition in Sunstorm, a clone of the treacherous Starscream. Sunstorm’s structure has been augmented to endure the enormous stresses involved. He was the perfect soldier; he possessed the ability to manipulate electromagnetic energy, enhanced regenerative capabilities, and a blank slate of a mind waiting to be written according to Shockwave’s design.Overall, it’s basically a Goku that has become a transformer.I’ll give it that because in the comic books he was able to shoot out projectiles similar to kamehameha wave.G1/Transformers:Universe), Vector Prime(One of the oldest and most wise transformers there are and most powerful too, in his posession he has an unusual sword which is known for being able to cut through unordinary materials such as time and space and travel anywhere at any speed.)Those are all the true and official abilites which each of those transformers has and you saying that there is no transformer that would be able to beat DBZ Universe only shows that you know completely nothing about the universe of the transformers or you are just a fanboy who doesn’t want his favorite characters to lose to the ones he doesn’t really like, but you know what, I’ll stick with both.There are plenty powerful transformers and I am not going to name all of them, but those are ones of the most outstanding ones and the ones that are easy for me to remember about.
Yes, I know what you meant. My response may not have been clear I suppose. Piccolo in GT is nowhere near Goku’s level in the Buu Saga. Not even Base level Goku from late Cell Saga. Piccolo never got stronger since he merged with Kami and that wasn’t enough to even put a dent in Cell’s second form. The rock scene was filler and I hope you’re not talking about the needle from GT. Everything in GT should not really be taken seriously. (Goku could only lift a city in GT which was really fake) Saiyans aren’t really affected by lava, as I said earlier, Goku was hit by lava in the Tree of Might and it wasn’t very effective. God Ginrai has never made it to lightspeed in the show and we don’t count legends. Show me a scene where he passed lightspeed. Goku was already at that speed when he took on Frieza. God Ginrai’s fire can’t burn everything and he beat some enemies, but they were nowhere near Goku level. That’s like me bringing up Goku’s complete ownage against Nappa as a feat. They’re in the same series and Nappa is just weaker than Goku. Nothing is indestructible, so whether it’s official or not, it’s invalid. Those feats you mentioned sound epic, but you didn’t really provide any proof. How many of those feats were actually onscreen? Certainly not in any of the shows because I own the whole series for Masterforce and Headmasters, plus I’ve seen the whole Victory show and none of the Transformers are at that level. (I’ve also seen G1, Animated, Beast Wars, and Prime, but that’s beside the point) The DBZ universe is much stronger than any of those Transformers thanks to their lack of speed and the overwhelming power that the Z fighters have. The Transformers are still cool, but it’s like comparing Superman to Goku. It’s just not done
I was not reffering to the needle scene in GT, in the original DBZ series in Cell saga Goku was in a hospital http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBEAua1cCE as you can see he is well aware of the needle medicine and his skin is not durable enough for it to stop a usual neede from stabbing through it and I am well aware of the GT, it must not be considered canon because it was not made by Akira Toriyama, but even then, it is considered both canon and not canon because of the managa, the manga was not canon and the anime actually was because Akira Toriyama still was credited as an author in DBZ Gt and you are wrong about Piccolo, he was actually just as strong, maybe a little weaker, but then again, he was almost even with Ssj Gotenks while training him in Buu saga and Gotenks has almost beaten Super Buu.Also, for your information, Tree of Might was a non-canon movie, while everything that has happened in the anime was canon, but even then if he was hit by it, his aura was the only thing to protect him, if he would’ve been powerless or knocked out, the lava would’ve melted him, I mean, was there a reason for Broly to cover himself with an aura while a huge fountain of lava almost hit him?If his skin would’ve naturally be durable enough to take it, he wouldn’t have done it and Broly is, indeed, stronger than Goku is.Yes, in the show he has not, but officialy, he can speed up and gain speed higher than the speed of light and it is official just like him burning through any material with his spiritual fire, yes, he can do it and it is official, while you have no proof that he can not, just because you say he can’t doesn’t mean he can’t do that.If you are reffering to the final battle between Black Zarak and God Ginrai when God Ginrai has tried his God Fire Guts attack on him, it was Black Zarak’s aura that has protected his body from being annihilated by this attack, but then seeing that it didn’t work, God Ginrai has absorbed more power and attacked once again, destroying Black Zarak’s body completely into nothing, not even ashes, nothing was left from it.As for the enemies that God Ginrai was fighting, they could give any saiyan a run for their money, for example Dreadwind and Darkwing could do that just easily, their armor is durable, it would definitely survive kamehameha waves and ki blasts, they both also have chokon power which is an aura based power, it gives it’s owner ability to use telekenetic powers and absorb energy of any kind of nature, when the two are combined into one huge plane, they can travel on the sonic speeds and if they use chockon power, they can even raise it to the ftl.I also gave you the names of the tv shows and comic books that each of those transformers are in, so if you are interested in seeing each feat, then watch, Transformers Energon, Transformers Masterforce, Transformers Victory, Transformers G1, read Marvel’s Transformers too, watch Galaxy Force, if you want me to, I can collect all of the proof that all I have stated is true and show you because I do not lie, everything I’ve told about each character is the truth because it’s a result of me being a huge transformers fan, I’ve seen each series.And no, transformers are alot more durable and definitely are alot stronger than the fighters from the DBZ world, seeing how some of the saiyans are afraid of things such as lava and a usual needle made out of earth’s weakest metal.As for their speed, I’ve named the speed of each transformer that was on my list and most of them were ftl and it is official.Watch the series if you do not believe me.Beams of the most transformers are just as strong as at least Z Fighter’s ki blasts and some can even outclass the kamehameha wave, those beam weapons are made specifically by transformers to damage the other transformers because the metal most of them are made out of, their leaders, at least, is the durabillium steel, the most tough metal in the galaxy, as was stated by Optimus Prime, as for Optimus himself, in generation one he has survived being hit by a huge decepticons’ space ship’s cannon, an after burn and a crush against the Earth’s surface without all at once and have recieved no visible damage on his armor, not even a scratch, this moment can be seen in the episode “Transformers:More than meets the Eye, Part 3”.Also, believe me, I have seen every episode of each transformers series, Transformers Prime, Transformers Animated, Transformers Armada, Transformers Energon, Transformers Galaxy Force, Transformers Headmasters, Transformers Victory, Transformers G1, Transformers Robots In Disguise, Transformers Beast Wars, Beast machines too, I’ve seen it all, I have even seen dragon ball z too, every season and each episode, every saga even Gt, even thought, I think Gt really is cheap, overall.Animation and writing are lazy, but that aside, I know what I am talking about and each transformer I have named can give any DBZ character a good kick in the pants.And no, Goku is not going to win, I know that DBZ fanbase logic that Goku wins because he is Goku, Superman shall clearly win the battle against Goku, but it’s because he has simply become way too overpowered over the past years because once again, lazy writing and they just don’t want to bother with the character anymore, so they just keep making him stronger and stronger, adding more and more powers, just a broken character, really.And honestly, even if you think God Fire Guts won’t work on Goku, even thought it definitely would since there is no material in the Universe that can stand against the might of this attack, well then, he’ll just use his God Cannon then and make a universal explosion, okay, you’ve stated that Goku shall survive that, but just how?Instant transmission to the Kai’s planet?Alright, but what makes you think God Ginrai won’t travel there to find Goku and murder him?I mean, in Cell saga, Cell has made a huge blob-like bomb out of his body and it has killed Goku and the explosion wasn’t really so strong, yeah, it probably could destroy a planet, but even then, God Ginrai has achieved destroying a more huge territory than just a planet.Okay, then, this is one, secondly, not only has he done it, but he actually survived that too, which Goku wouldn’t be able to do as seen in Cell saga and is pointed out by me, which obviously leads to the conclusion that here God Ginrai owns Goku once again, physicall strength wise, I’ve already stated how much can God Ginrai lift judging by the right calculations based off of the infromation given on his original toy package, anime, manga and TF:Wiki.God Ginrai wins the fight against Goku in each way, no matter what form Goku takes, be it even super saiyajin four, God Ginrai still takes the piece of cake and olibirates Goku from exsistance with his God Cannon.
Even that needle scene was filler in the anime. Filler may have been approved by the author and maybe not. We don’t know conclusively unless the author mentions it. The manga is the highest canon and things that are anime exclusive should be taken with a grain of salt. If the feat makes sense then sure, but that was just for comedy effect. A needle wouldn’t be able to pierce a being as powerful as Goku. Piccolo couldn’t keep up with Gotenks at all! Much less his Super Saiyan form. Maybe you’re thinking of the anime. In the manga, the whole point was that Gotenks was the only one to stand a chance, Piccolo could barely handle Goten or Trunks on their own. In their Super Saiyan mode, they’re far stronger than him, which also helps to prove that he wouldn’t stand a chance against Goku. Goku during the Cell Games could defeat Piccolo. Tree of Might isn’t canon and neither is the Broly movie so they cancel out. Goku would not be melted by lava as seen in Tree of Might. Of course if we’re not using it since it’s not canon, then we have no proof either way. Broly is slightly stronger than Super Saiyan 1 Goku of the pre Cell Games, but anything after that and Goku would win easily. Piccolo still could not beat Broly at his current level. How is it proven when God Ginrai hasn’t actually reached that speed? If you’re talking about the toys or a guide book/wiki, then that’s hardly valid. If he’s never done it on screen, that’s just speculation. His opponents could not give any Z fighter a decent fight. They’re constantly shooting their beams and they barely destroy the rubble on the ground. Seeing as how the Kamehameha can obliterate whole solar systems in one shot, they wouldn’t stand a chance. You still haven’t shown me anything that would make God Ginrai a universal buster with that explosion. It was hardly at that level in the anime. Barely a planet buster is the limit to God Ginrai’s abilities. All Transformers characters are far too slow to ever land a hit on Goku and Goku’s far too powerful to lose to them. As for Superman, not only is he far too slow, but his power isn’t enough to deal any real damage. Goku could just catch his punch and proceed to knock him out with a fast combo. Back on topic, Goku easy obliterates God Ginrai with a nice Dragon Fist attack. God Ginrai doesn’t have enough speed to dodge
It has happened in the anime, therefore it is a no filler because in the DBZ universe, even thought the characters were overpowered, the creators still tried to make the physical laws in the anime moe close to the real world which is an another evidence to that Goku’s skin can not take a needle made out of weak earth metal, sure, in DBZ people were shooting guns and Goku and other saiyans, but what they did is dodged the bullets without actually catching one, once again, aura shield and being able to dodge the attacks plays the huge role here nontheless.Yeah, sure, author is going to mention that Goku was stabbed by a needle for no reason, very smart.Yes, it was indeed a comedy effect, but you know what, they would’ve showed how the needle bends against his skin if it was durable, but no.Once again, Goku got hit with a rock that Krillin threw at him, without the aura shield, Goku recieved a damage similar to what a normal human being would recieved, he felt the same pain as if the rock would hit an average human.I know that Goku could defeat Piccolo during the Cell saga, I have no idea why you’ve mentioned that because I’ve never stated that in Cell saga Piccolo and Goku were even.Eh, nope, Broly is not slightly stronger than a SSj1, Broly is stronger than a Super Perfect Cell and is very close to SSj3, sadly, we could not see the full potential of Broly’s power in the movie since he died, in the movies just like the anime, heroes always have to win, I mean, they just couldn’t make the heroes die, it would be…yeah.That aside, Broly himself died from that punch that Goku put all of the power he has recieved in because at the moment he was like a huge ball of energy, it was stated that his power grows with every second and his body just couldn’t handle it, so if you do a strong poke anywhere in his body, he’ll pop up and explode, exactly what has happened in the Broly’s movie.In the second movie he has become weaker because he has become a usual Super Saiyan, all the power that his LSSj form had was lost during his explosion, but he has survived it and came back in his second movie.But even then he could keep up fighting against SSj2 Gohan, SSj2 Goku and SSj1 Gotenks.Now back to our argument.What is being said on the back of the toy packaging is the official information about the transformer that it is written about, it has been made official by Hasbro and Takara Tomi that he has unlimited speed, infinite durability and strength and just because you say it is not, does not mean it isn’t because you are none of those companies, everything they make official is official, if they write that Optimus Prime can become a super powerful fire dragon, even that shall become official, because the transformers characters belong to them, not to any other companies and definitely not any other people.And once again, the beams that their guns shoot out have been made spicifically on a purpose to damage the transformers, not any other objects, the beams are electricity based and that’s why some of them have hard time destroying anything similar to rocks, but to affect something energy based, a human-like body or a transformer, it’ll do anyday, I mean, if you have seen transformers then you must be well aware that there are two types of guns, first is for the general destructive power that can explode rocks, metals, anything and the second are to damage the inner parts of any body or cut through energy barriers.Those shall do good to damage a body of any saiyan, you remember how Goku got a heart disease from one of the androids?The effect shall be similar.Now about Kamehameha wave olibirating a whole solar system, in the anime I have not seen a kamehameha doing anything similar to olibirating at least a planet.Even in the GT Kamehameha X100 didn’t do much damage to the surface of Earth, sure it did crack, but in the range of 10 meters or more, but not even one km.Lol at you, I’ve mentioned not for once, along with Grand Maximus the black hole has absorbed stars and planets in it’s range while it was moving closer to the Earth, there were about thousand of stars inside the blackhole and that already is alot and definitely more than a Galactical explosion, therefore it must be considered Universal or at least it is close to it.He is definitely more than a galaxy buster at that point.Once again, if God Ginrai uses the God Cannon, there would be nowhere to run and what makes you think God Ginrai can’t absorb more energy for a far stronger explosion too?You are speaking of the cartoon Superman…and I am reffering to a comic book one, that would make a mess out of Goku pretty easily because as i’ve already mentioned, the DC writing has become too lazy and added a bunch of abilities to him, basically making him very overpowered, too overpowered for Goku to defeat him.Considering God Ginrai has survived an explosion that is definitely more powerful than a Dragon Fist attack would ever be simply because 1.That was no ordinary blackhole, but one made clearly out of the energy coming from a devil and it’s energy alone must be stronger than the Dragon Fist. 2.There were planets and stars inside it and it only adds to the power of the explosion overall.Also, God Ginrai has a super fast healing factor, so even if it does some damage which I doubt, he’ll easily stand up back on his feet all new and ready to fight.Even thought this fight is going to be Goku’s last stand and Goku won’t last too long…as for the speed, I’ve already told you that Ginrai’s boosters that are attached to his wings can move his body at the sonic speed, but once he becomes the God Fire Guts Ginrai, his speed is inifte, therefore it definitely a ftl.
The anime scenes that you are talking about were filler. Just about every anime has filler, to see what those scenes are, you just need to read the manga. Anything that is not in the manga is considered filler. You misread the Cell Saga Goku vs Piccolo comment I made……I’m saying that Goku during the Cell Games could defeat Piccolo while Piccolo is in GT form. I can’t really make it any clearer than that. As for the whole rock and needles thing, that was just comic relief. We could argue about hypotheticals and that it should have bounced off, but they simply didn’t choose to go that route. Lol at Broly being near Super Saiyan 3. I’m guessing that you are now referring to his Second Coming correct? He’s maybe Super Saiyan 2 level, but nowhere near Super Saiyan 3. That’s a whole other realm of power. The difference between Super Saiyan 2 and 3 is extremely large. Broly never fought SSJ2 Goku and if you mean hypothetically, Goku would annihilate him. Their abilities are on different levels. What Hasbro writes is considered official, but is still not used for debates. The weapons don’t do much damage to the mountains and objects because they just aren’t as powerful. It’s not because they are especially made to hurt Transformers, with a few exceptions. The blasts wouldn’t even affect Goku. Goku’s kamehameha was proven to be a solar system buster during the cell games. Just look at the final battle with Gohan and Cell. Or go to the manga chapter of it. Once again, you should just ignore the whole GT thing… Also just because the Black Hole had stars in it, it doesn’t make Ginrai universal. We’ll need more than that. Either way Goku’s Kamehameha still takes this. Comic Superman is tough, but he’s not at Goku level. It wouldn’t even be much of a fight. Ginrai’s healing factor isn’t that fast and wouldn’t keep up. Goku still wins this in one shot anyway. Goku’s far faster as well since there’s no such thing as infinite. It’s a quick win for the saiyan.
Yes, Super Legendary Super Saiyan Broly was near a SSj3, here’s why, the movie’s takes the time before the Cell games happen, it all takes time in a Cell Saga Timeline of DBZ, Broly gets to fight USSj Trunks, USSj Vegeta, SSj1 Goku, Super Namekian Piccolo and SSj1 Gohan and defeats all of the pretty easily, if it wasn’t the fact that his power grows constantly and his body could actually handle it’s excrescence, then he would’ve survived that punch from Goku, but since he was like giant baloon with energy inside it, it just took to poke him anywhere in his body for him to explode with it and to be defeated.No, so you mean to tell me that the whole Earth was at danger at the moment because Broly has charged up his strongest attack and Goku would come back just to play around in his SSj1 form with Broly, knowing he won’t win as a SSj1?He has obviously been in his SSj2 form while shooting the kamehameha wave at Broly with Son Gohan in SSj2 form and SSj1 Goten.No, just how would you know that they are of a lower power and aren’t made spicificaly to injure the inside structue of a transformers body?There are millions of examples I can give, Starscream is a scientist and has a weak gun, but it is still able to damage and electrify the body of an enemy.It is because he is a scientist, but the rest of the decepticon warriors are known to carry the guns that can actually damage anything else with their explosive power, such are Gestalts-decepticon combiners and Megatron, even thought, for some reason, in robot mode his fusion cannon’s power is also targeted to electrify and burn the enemy down with a huge amount of energy, while in his pistol mode, the energy is being translated from the anti-matter and he can shoot out projectiles of an explosing power.Dude, the explosion was near universal as a fact, thousands stars and planets is already an explosion at least the size of the universe, plus the dark energy of Devil-Z combined with it all.That makes for a way greater explosion than an explosion of a galaxy.Either way, Ginrai can simply absorb it’s energy while Goku is shooting it at him and reverse it back at Goku with his God Cannon or simply give it away as an energy ball that he’ll toss at him like what he did to Black Zarak, the ball is not going to stop chasing the opponent until they both hit against each other.”Goku’s far faster”, “there’s no thing such as inifite” *big sigh and a facepalm* Just because Goku is faster does not mean the battle is already won, you have forgot about the durability and power and God Ginrai’s power and durability are higher than Goku’s would ever be, no matter what form he takes, SSj God, SSj4 or 3, Ginrai is still more powerful and him survived what he has survived is a proof to that, because never in the DBZ universe is Goku going to survive anything of such, also, if you think there is no thing such as infinite, there is, in the transformers universe there is because it is not the DBZ universe, they’re two completely different characters from two completely different universe’s if you’ve already forgot and therefore, just because something does not exist where Goku exsists, doesn’t mean it doesn’t where God Ginrai exsists and no, everything that is OFFICIAL is used in the fights like this, because what else can be used there?Again, Ginrai’s speed in GFG form is Infinite, therefore it’s definitely a ftl when he grows enough speed, it won’t take much for him to realize that he needs to become faster for the opponent he is fighting, his durability is infinite and yes, it is, not only he took an almost universal explosion in his usual form, but in his GFG form he is completely unstoppable and can burn through anything, strength is also infinite, therefore he can already lift far more than these 16.000.000.000 he used to lift.Ah, as for Superman VS Goku topic, think whatever you want, really, I am not even a Superman fanboy, I kinda even despise him for the fact that he is slowly becoming way too overpowered, especially Superboy Prime, that’s just…ughh, but it’s simply a fact that he is going to win the battle against Goku and it does not matter if you want it or not.Comic Superman has pulled planets after him by the chain, he is faster than Goku shall ever be, he flies trillions of miles in seconds, while Goku needs an instant transmission to do that, he was chasing supergirl who was flying faster than the speed of light, it’s just no debate, Goku is the loser in this one.
Whoa, we’re talking about the first Broly film? He wasn’t even near Super Saiyan 2 mode! He was beating up the Z fighters, but they weren’t at full power. Goku wasn’t in his FPSSJ mode and the others weren’t ready to fight such a being. Broly’s abilities are decently good, but he’s definitely not at SSJ2 level. Goku didn’t obtain the Super Saiyan 2 mode until the Buu Saga, so I don’t know why you think he had that form at the time. They were all in Super Saiyan 1 mode. In the 2nd Broly film, Goku was just in Super Saiyan 1 because he knew that he would still win. Broly’s never been a good rival for him. God Ginrai can’t absorb energy being shot at him and I still see nothing that proves the explosion to be universal. At least we admit that Goku’s faster 😎 Speed doesn’t completely dictate a fight, but his power advantage seals the deal. Ginrai’s speed isn’t infinite and his strength isn’t very impressive. Goku exceeds him in all areas and easily wins this round. Against Superman, it’s Almost as bad/Maybe Worse. Superman can’t even compete with Goku. Goku is on a completely different level from Superman and he would take a win quickly. Goku’s massively FTL after all
I’ve made sure you’re just a fanboy who can never admit anything that is a fact and keeps on telling everyone that his favorite characters are the best and shall own any other, not that it wasn’t obvious in the beginning, but I just wanted to say that this argument ends here because it is a pointless thing to do trying to prove to fanboys such as yourself who hopelessly pick their favorite characters, at least by this whole conversation you’ve made it obvious that the battles you make are all one sided and that things you say or use in an argument should not be taken seriously because I’ve checked everything about the Network Bass and about 1/3 of what you’ve said was not true to his real abilities.As for everything I’ve said, these are the official abilities each of the transformers characters I’ve named have, if you are not aware of that, not my fault, but you can always waste your time to watch the shows I’ve cared to name and read the comic books I’ve mentioned and find out that everything I’ve said was true, so yeah.
Well, at least you knew from the beginning. I mean, you never said what “1/3” I made up and used toy summaries to back up your characters…but it’s cool. You never really gave any proof for Ginrai’s big feats, but it happens…. You looked up Battle Network and did some (minor) research so you think that you know about Bass. 😆 Well, all arguments come to an end. I figured that this was a debate but some do tend to take these things very seriously. I’ve already watched Masterforce, but maybe I’ll check it out again at some point…maybe. Bass rules!!! 😎