Space Godzilla is back, but his massive power won’t be enough to stop Pikachu. Pikachu has his Volt Tackle which he can use to take down the opponent with speed and precision. Pikachu’s quick attack will let him stay out of Space Godzilla’s attack range while launching counterattacks. Pikachu wins.
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The verdict and premiss here was just…. sad.
I dunno, Pikachu is extremely fast. I admit that Space Godzilla is very powerful and I’d say that he’s a top tier Kaiju. If he were a bit faster, he could have taken the win. I do think that it would be a fun battle to watch
Hey, I hear you. This guy is an absolute moron because his logic goes like this. If the opponent is faster, then he wins.
Thanks?
I wasn’t agreeing with you @ Dreager1
Just because Pikachu is faster, it doesn’t mean he can win. Space Godzilla destroys him with one nuclear pulse.
Just wanted to be sure. Pikachu’s speed will allow him to dodge all of Space G’s attacks, which is why I don’t see this being a close fight.
I’d like to see him dodge an omni-directional nuclear blast.
Godzilla can emit a nuclear pulse, but when has Space Godzilla ever done that? He can shoot lasers, but I don’t see anything omni-directional about them.
Space Godzilla has Godzilla’s DNA has stated in the wiki and the movies. Therefore nuke pulse.
Eh, I don’t think that logic is very concrete. He’s a clone, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he has all of Godzilla’s abilities
I expected Space Godzilla to win.
Just because someone is faster doesn’t really mean they are always stronger.
It’s true that speed isn’t enough to win battles, but combine that with Pikachu’s raw power and I think it’s a slam dunk for the iconic creature!
Just what kind of raw power would pikachu have to defeat space godzilla?
Hell normal godzilla survived several nukes and survived without a scratch on him, considering that space godzilla is stronger, he definitely could survive such a attack from pikachu.
Spacegodzilla also has similar abilities to normal godzilla
Like his corona beam which has defeated equally powerful monsters and has wiped out a whole city.
He can create crystals that can increase his power as well as fire bolts of energy from the crystals form his shoulders
His regenerative ability will also make sure that if Pikachu for some reason gets a fatal hit in. It would heal anyway
Not to mention that spacegodzilla can also absorb electricity or lightning to increase his power and energy.
Which is really bad for pikachu because he just so happens to be an electric type pokemon with electric type attacks.
Not a good matchup.
Pikachu has incredible speed and raw power to the point where any Kaiju would go down. The nukes are strong but Pikachu has Volt Tackle and has injured legendaries in the past. The regeneration is tricky but it’s not fast enough to be stopping Pikachu’s attacks for long and that’s what will hurt Space Godzilla. Put it this way Pikachu would keep bombarding him with hits quicker than Space G could recover his health. The physical attacks would really take their toll.
Space Godzilla’s biggest weakness here is just that he isn’t very fast. So at the end of the day there isn’t a whole lot that he can do to try and escape from Pikachu’s wrath. He just has to sit there and take the attacks until he goes down
You are the dumbest dude on this website, best part is its your own website and your the dumbest one here.
Spacegodzilla cells alone were able to survive falling into a black hole as well as exposure to exploding stars, ya know, supernova’s. and btw this was when HE WASEN’T EVEN BORN. It was his cells.
Meanign that a fully constructed space godzilla, with cells in his body that make up almost every part of him, are gonna be more durable.
The dude survived several other kaiju beasts attacks like original godzilla, who alone could wipe out city’s and hell given enough time, continents.
Tell me when has pikachu been capable of attacks that equal to the power of blackholes or hell purely a fucking meteorite that destroyed a whole city,
Ok yes pikachu has fought off against legendary pokemon, though most of them required a shit load of help, especially from ash.
Pikachu on his own would not do so well.
Not that it would matter considering almost all legendary’s Pikachu has fought against has never survived a black hole, unless their arceus and the creation trio, in which pikachu cannot beat.
Whats the point in being faster then your opponent if your not capable of harming them in the first place, plus spacegodzilla could just destroy the terrain with his corona beam. or hell just create a shield.
And that shield is strong enough to survive original godzilla’s atomic breath.
Hell he could just fly and fight from a the air and keep himself at a distants.
Afterall pikachu’s ranged attacks are electric type attacks. And like I said
Spacegodzilla can absorb energy and lightning.
Hell his aura alone can cause electrical disturbances.
Show me proof of pikachu even being capable of causing blackhole surviving destruction.
And no you are not counting the stupid core thing we kept on talking about, that is a stupid argument that we never should have been talking about in the first place, but in your head it somehow makes sense.
Hey they call me a master debater you know. I’ve been taking Ws on here for years and I’m not just saying that since I’m talking about myself.
Okay so you are right that speed doesn’t matter if you can’t hurt someone but Pikachu can definitely hurt him.
Pikachu casually shattered metal here.
Flipping a massive Pokemon!
Battling large opponents is nothing new for Pikachu that’s for sure. He should be able to easily crush all in his way with the powers of electricity. A single Volt Tackle will do the trick and nobody is fast enough to stop him. Space Godzilla can absorb electricity if it’s right up there but the impact of the Volt Tackle would be too much for him.
Pikachu is one of the strongest Pokemon in existence and has taken on everyone in his day. Trust me when I say that nobody will cause him pause to fear them. That’s because Pikachu is immensely powerful. He just has to speedblitz and keep on landing blows over and over again until victory is his. Space G isn’t touching that because he’s too slow and the regen isn’t enough. That’s why he will lose here.
The W’s you take are mostly just random ass stomps and uninteresting fights that no one wants to see.
Pikachu shattering metal?
Flipping milotic?
Im sorry but how does those feats rank up to a regular godzilla who survived a city level explosion and came out standing there unharmed.
and spacegozilla has survived way more, like of course blackholes.
Things like iron tail and volt tackle wont do shit.
ain’t no way your saying a volt tackle or iron tail can match a black hole or a meteorite colliding into a city completely destroying everything in that city.
Pikachu is not the strongest pokemon in existence, most legendary pokemon would destroy him, and hell even some pokemon like meowth, not fucking team rockets meowth though, the puss in boots wannabe meowth from ash’s hoenn adventures.
Speedblitzing is not an option here against a being who towers above groudon himself
can absorb lightning
and can straight up annihilate you and the entire terrain with one attack
I know but a W is a W right? I can’t control who fights (Well I guess I can but lets roll with this for a minute) but I can control how hype my W arguments are.
Godzilla may have better pure power I suppose but you have to remember that he’s slow as molasses. Pikachu should be able to easily speedblitz him all the way through and just go in for the win. Godzilla has no way to get even close here and he would probably be taking massive Ls the whole time. Space G can absorb lightning but he can’t absorb impacts so Pikachu will just be punching the living daylights out of him. The attacks will add up quickly and then that’s it for Space G.
“Pikachu casually shattered metal here.”
Not remotely comparable to Kaiju level durability and you know it. Destroying some metal is, even casually is pitiful by comparison.
“Flipping a massive Pokemon!”
And how is Milotic comparable to Space Godzilla in either size or weight?
Milotic is about 20 ft in height and just under 360 lbs.
Space Godzilla even at his shortest is 360 ft and 148,000,000 lbs at his lightest.
So uh 18 times as tall and about 411,111 times as heavy.
So there’s absolutely no way that based on this feat Pikachu is doing anything like this to Space Godzilla. He’s far beyond this. This feat is an absolute joke by comparison.
“Battling large opponents is nothing new for Pikachu that’s for sure. He should be able to easily crush all in his way with the powers of electricity. A single Volt Tackle will do the trick and nobody is fast enough to stop him. Space Godzilla can absorb electricity if it’s right up there but the impact of the Volt Tackle would be too much for him.”
Since your example of large opponents is pitifully weak compared to Sapce Godzilla’s size and weight, literally none of what you’ve said here is applicable. The impact of the Volt Tackle, the speed, it’s all based on feats that simply don’t help your position.
“Pikachu is one of the strongest Pokemon in existence and has taken on everyone in his day. Trust me when I say that nobody will cause him pause to fear them. That’s because Pikachu is immensely powerful. He just has to speedblitz and keep on landing blows over and over again until victory is his. Space G isn’t touching that because he’s too slow and the regen isn’t enough. That’s why he will lose here.”
Again all you’ve shown is some metal breaking and him flipping a Pokémon that is a tiny sliver of the size and weight of Space Godzilla. Neither of these feats are impressive in the slightest and the rest of your argument falls flat as a result. Speedblitzing is unimportant if you don’t have the attack power to back it up. It’s the exact thing I’ve tried to hammer into your brain in the Greninja stuff and you’re failing to understand it once again here.
It is true that breaking metal probably isn’t Kaiju level. Still, it was a good start to show off how strong Pikachu is. That guy just keeps on getting stronger and stronger and flipping Milotic was crazy with the size difference there. This is before Pikachu’s new Gigantomax form. So if we scale Pikachu up to that Kaiju size and how he can lift an opponent many times his weight, he should be able to quickly dispatch Space G now.
So mix in the size and power with the speedblitzing and that should be game over. Space G isn’t fast enough to really land any proper counter attacks here so Pikachu should be able to attack him at his leisure. Just keep plugging away with the various attacks and there will be no escape there. Space Godzilla would need more than the electricity absorption in order to take someone like this on. Pikachu even took out two opponents in a row during Masters 8 including a Gigantomax Cinderace which is crazy
“It is true that breaking metal probably isn’t Kaiju level. Still, it was a good start to show off how strong Pikachu is. That guy just keeps on getting stronger and stronger and flipping Milotic was crazy with the size difference there. This is before Pikachu’s new Gigantomax form. So if we scale Pikachu up to that Kaiju size and how he can lift an opponent many times his weight, he should be able to quickly dispatch Space G now.”
Don’t pretend it’s at all a good start for him to destroy metal or that’s its crazy for him to flip a Pokémon that’s hundreds of thousands of times lighter than Space G.
And you can’t just be like, “Hey let’s scale Gigantomax Pikachu to Space Godzilla” without showing any actual feats. I can’t take the size increase into consideration if you don’t provide any sort of feats.
“So mix in the size and power with the speedblitzing and that should be game over. Space G isn’t fast enough to really land any proper counter attacks here so Pikachu should be able to attack him at his leisure. Just keep plugging away with the various attacks and there will be no escape there. Space Godzilla would need more than the electricity absorption in order to take someone like this on. Pikachu even took out two opponents in a row during Masters 8 including a Gigantomax Cinderace which is crazy”
Feats, feats, feats. Show some scans of what Pikachu is capable of and if they can demonstrate his power then I’ll be far more inclined to believe you. I’m not going to take a transformation sequence seriously as it shows absolutely no actual fighting.
Cmon you have to admit it’s still a little crazy that Pikachu can flip a fighter so many times his size. I was utterly shocked at that back in the day because of how strong he was. Now as for the feats lets get popping with them.
Running fast enough where he could jump up and land on Charizard
Tanking a point blank hit from Mega Lucario
Gigantomax Pikachu effortlessly taking out a gigantomax Cinderace
We also got to see Pikachu physically holding back a massive fireball that we could say was basically a Kaiju attack. Pikachu being able to do that is absolutely insane. I can tell you that I wasn’t ready for that and then of course against Leon’s Charizard he showed a lot of real good moves
Even if we give pikachu his dynamax form, which btw he only was able to achieve temporarily and by complete accident. he only ends up 21.0+ m tall, while space godzilla, is 120m tall, not even fucking close. Even then pikachu cant speedblizt with dynamax due to his size change. and even then it still would not be enough because space godzilla has survived far more stronger blasts then pikachu.
A gingantamax cinderace is only 27.0+ m, like jesus fucking christ that’s not even close either. the size difference is too much and plus tbh it would end up making pikachu much more easier to see and hit, so now the corona beam will 100% land.
Pikachu is the GOAT! Okay in all seriousness put it this way, Pikachu gets bigger with Dynamax and can fire off lightning bolts so quickly that they part the sky. While the thunder is blasting Space G and the Kaiju is doing his best to try and absorb it, Pikachu would be speedblitzing him on all sides. Space Godzilla would have no way to counter attack or land any kind of attack. He’d just be wasting energy in trying the whole time and his durability isn’t enough to take on the power of multiple Iron Tails. Remember that Godzilla was able to take down Space G with raw power and Pikachu is even more versatile.
Jesus
the evidence you provide is so bad that I don’t even know where to begin.
Well first I’m gonna debunk your top comment then move on to the one that I’m replying too.
First off I already said speed don’t matter. if you are unable to damage the opponent your trying to hit then speed is completely pointless.
another thing is that the feta you provided was utter shit. Am I supposed to be impressed with Pikachu landing on a Charizard?
2nd of all pikachu taking a hit from mega lucario does not stack up to a 120m tall kaiju who can destroy a city with one attack. you could have done better by using a legendary pokemon but even then that would not be enough.
and 3rd, I already said, a gigantamax cinderace and Pikachu cannot stack up to a 120m tall godzilla even if we combined both their height.
Besides, most of these attacks were incapable of destroying the stadium, hell, there pathetic compared to space godzilla’s corona beam. hell the normal godzilla could do better then that.
Hell the final explosion in the video you mentioned could not even cover up the whole battlefield.
Now for the second part,
No pikachu cant speedblitz godzilla, for one he does not posses the power to do so.
Spacegodzilla and normal godzilla both survived blackholes.
Hell with dynamax pikachu was unable to use his speed due to the increased size.
the reason godzilla did it because both godzilla and space godzilla could actually match each other, ending up destroying countless buildings and possibly city’s in the process. meanwhile the final clash with dynamax cinderace and Pikachu did not even destroy the stadium or at least engulve it enough.
If anything, space g could just stomp on pikachu or just kill him with corona beam with one blast
I thought my evidence was pretty good tbh. I even brought scans and everything so I was really proud of myself. Okay let me put my thinking cap back on and dive into this. The turkey’s making me a bit sluggish so my writing might ramble on a bit but that’s the price of good food.
Pikachu could speedblitz Godzilla just based on the difference in their stats. Pikachu can move faster than light based on how fast his Volt Tackle looks and Godzilla is consistently foiled by Kaiju that can barely move. At the very least Godzilla eats a lot of attacks that Pikachu wouldn’t because they’re too slow. So Pikachu would be running in and landing absolutely devastating blows left and right.
His iron tail is effectively like Haki in how strong it hits. Once Pikachu knocks Godzilla down then it’s all over. Godzilla’s durability tends to vary a bit but of course we’re using the strongest form of Godzilla here which can take a lot of punishment. Not unlimited punishment though and that’s the problem here. Godzilla can’t afford to get knocked off balance even once but at the same time he has no way to prevent it from happening. What that means is that he’s behind the 8 ball right out of the jump.
Space Godzilla could probably win if he stomps on Pikachu but there’s no way he could pull that off. Pikachu’s way too fast and too cool. A single good speedblitz out of the little guy would be absolutely devastating for everyone in his way. They just wouldn’t stand a ghost of a chance and same for that Corona Beam.
I don’t understand why you weren’t impressed by Pikachu landing on Charizard like that. You ever try to jump and land on a high speed moving object like that? It’s much harder than it looks…and it already looks hard! I get that you’re not impressed with the speed either since the attacks have to actually hurt Godzilla but they should be able too. Don’t forget that he has a 10 million volt thunder attack.
Nobody can absorb that much charge and everyone in front of Pikachu would be immediately vaporized
Dude no, volt tackle does not move FTL, it probably moves at the sam peace as a lightning bolt or slower, even then current pikachu cant use volt tackle.
A fucking iron tail ain’t doing shit, has iron tail been capable of destroying a whole has building or city block?
No of course not, but space Godzilla does that shit by fucking walking.
If pikachu is incapable of pulling off a black hole-level attack then he is dead.
For pikachu to escape a stomp form space godzilla he would have to like run quite a bit considering how huge godzilla is, and no pikachu being cooler is not a means of him winning.
The corona beam could wipe out dozens of buildings all at once, whereas pikachu has only destroyed one building and it was with help.
Theres no point in pikachu being faster if he is incapable of hurting space godzilla.
as for the z move, first of fucking all,Pikachu cant use a z move without the assistance of ash
2nd of all your comparing a puny electivire to a fucking kaiju that survived meteorites.
3rd of all, space Godzilla just has to absorb electricity by touch.
and hell, it did not kill electivire, only make him faint. hell space godzilla could see that move as free fucking energy.
And even after all that
Here is spacegodzilla using a crystal shield to deflect godzilla’s atomic breath
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/godzilla/images/e/eb/Gvsg7.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/480?cb=20110306073127
10,000 thunderbolts don’t stack up to one single blast from godzilla’s atomic breath
What do you mean Pikachu can’t use Volt Tackle anymore? It’s basically a quick attack while covering yourself in electricity so he should be able to use it at will and go forth. He moves so fast that everything becomes black and whie so I don’t see how he would be that slow.
I do admit that the crystal shield is very impressive though. Ht is a good shield but won’t be fast enough to protect him from Pikachu. As for the thunderbolt vs atomic breath. I dunno about that one but it’s close. Still, he would be landing the thunder from better angles thanks to the speed which should be able to compensate for any lack of power.
Pikachu wasn’t trying to murder Electivire though. That’s the big difference. I know Pikachu hasn’t made any black holes but his raw strength is still absolutely crazy. Nobody is going to be touching that and that’s why Pikachu should still have the edge in this fight. He just has to continue to fight hard over and over again
Volt tackle is a separate move from quick attack, just cause they look the same don’t mean they are the same, and Pikachu did lose the ability to use volt tackle, if your talking current pikachu, and like ash’s current pikachu, then he cant use volt tackle, pokemon only know up to 4 moves at a time, and when they grow they may end up learning new moves, but at the cost of forgetting moves that they used to have, Pikachu lost the ability to use volt tackle during pokemon black and white when pikachu learned electro ball, and then in pokemon sun and moon, Pikachu learned electroweb, replacing electroball.
So no realistically pikachu cannot use volt tackle,
BUT, even if we do include all of pikachu’s moves from what he previously uses.
It wont change anything to secure him a win, volt tackle is strong sure, but against a kaiju monster? not quite, besides volt tackle has recoil damage so pikachu takes damage everytime he uses it, and hell depending on how much damage pikachu does to the opponent is how much damage he suffers when using it, and bare in mind, it can also end up putting pikachu out of commission if he uses it far too much, he might even make himself faint, which gives space godzilla the opening needed to fry the mouse.
Wont be fast enough? its a shield, why would it need to be faster?
2nd of all, there is no way pikachu’s z move can outlass atomic breath. The z move has not even caused giant building or hell city level destruction before, but the atomic breath, it has been seen detsroying city’s and other kaiju’s.
It wont matter how many electrical attacks pikachu can use, the difference between space godzilla’s absorption vs electrivires, is far too big.
And spacegodzila would just end up using pikachu’s lightning attacks for itself.
If his raw strength is incapable of black hole or hell planetary destruction, then I don’t know where you get off saying that Pikachu can still win. Agian, Pikachu may be faster, but there’s no point in being faster if you lack the power needed to beat the enemy, while you yourself can be taken out with one blast. Pikachu is gonna get hit eventually, he cant avoid space Godzilla’s onslaught forever.
And he can only use his z move one time,
and his dynamax has a time limit, again, not stacking up to godzilla’s feats in anyway
Yeah it’s composite Pikachu so he’s still got Volt Tackle but even if he didn’t you could just use a quick attack and have Pikachu zap himself for added effect. At that point you’ve got yourself a homemade Volt Tackle. Now as for Space Godzilla, in this case lack of speed is a big deal for him. Pikachu can play hit and run games while the guy is trying to find him. Being a Kaiju can be its own weakness at times when you cant keep up with your opponent. After all what are you going to do in the long run if you’re getting blitzed on all sides by everyone? At that point you really just gotta call it quits . “Everyone” in this context is just because it’ll feel like that.
Pikachu’s taken on legendary hits and just about everything in his arsenal so I’d say he has more than enough power to blow up a block or a city. But even ignoring that, we’ve seen him damage legendaries so he should be able to damage Space Godzilla just as easily. Don’t underestimate the powers of the thunder rodent!
Pikachu cannot amplify his quick attack with electricity to perform volt tackle, For one, he has never done this. and volt tackle and quick attack have separate ways they act, quick attack is much faster but does less damage, volt tackle does more damage at the cost of recoil.
Why the hell would speed matter? You have failed to prove Pikachu even has the strength and power to harm space Godzilla. The strongest we have ever seen of pikachu was when he blew up an entire pokemon center, and that was with help.
Space godzilla meanwhile, destroys city blocks by just shooting one beam, so what if spacegodzilla cant see him? He can just destroy the entire city in a matter of seconds, all well pikachu is trying to survive the onslaught.
I dotn underestimate pikachu, the dudes one of my favorite pokemon, but against the giant kaiju lizard he does not have a chance, yes he has taken on legendaries, with fucking help.
and even then most of the legendaries Pikachu fights are not close enough to continent or black hole level durability.
It’s basically the same attack though so he should be able to just use a thunderbolt on himself and then start running. Then imagine all of that power hitting Space Godzilla at once? How do you propose that he would possibly be able to tank such a hit? Seems to me like he would get absolutely rocked in that scenario and would be unable to go on. He would be out of his league at that point and unable to fight.
Pikachu blowing up a Poke Center is still impressive though. Space Godzilla can blow up the city but that would leave him wide open to an Iron Tail to the face! Oomph!! You don’t want to get hit by something like that is all I’m saying.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/f/f4/Space_clawss.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20210911171601
Godzilla was able to casually shake Space Godzilla so Pikachu should be able to do the same with a well placed strike
Pikachu cant do that shit, if he could why after several generations has he not used it?
or the fact that any pikachu for that matter has used it.
and thunderbolt is a special attack. it cant stick to pikachu because its a ranged attack.
Iron tail cant even bring down a building, yet space godzilla does it with his tail while walking, and his feet too. besides there’s a high chance iron tail will do small damage before being regenerated.
your stupid for even thinking its a good idea to use ANOTHER kaiju.
No shit godzilla can match spacegodzilla, there practically similar in power.
Pikachu is not putting neither of the 2 kaiju’s down with a strike, pikachu’s stamina will wilter, while space godzilla legit feals nothing, hell, he has shrugged off missiles before. While pikachu has not.
Pikachu never needed it. Even without all of those fancy moves he beats Leon’s Charizard and became the world champ. In all the 9 realms there are no fighters quite as powerful as Pikachu. Pikachu is truly one of a kind and one of those fighters that cannot be denied. His abilities speak for themselves. He is the chosen one, the Pokemon of legend!
Iron Tail has been shown to even wound powerful Pokemon before so it should deal a lot of damage to Space Godzilla the whole time. Pikachu hasn’t dealt with missiles but he has gotten up from direct energy blasts and all sorts of moves. I don’t see Space Godzilla being able to keep up here and will be soundly crushed given time. He still has no way to catch Pikachu and Pikachu’s attacks should be dealing some serious damage. Just picture him at full power and then that’s a wrap.
Pikachu beating a charizard thats like city level with dynamax does not compare to space godzilla who has survived far worse. plus pikachu did have the type advantage anyway so that’s a added bonus.
But with spacegodzilla, any electric related moves are useless. using electricity and thunder on space godzilla would just make spacegodzilla even stronger.
Thats like if lex luthor created a gun that can shoot sun energy at superman, but all that would do is make superman stronger.
Iron tail at its strongest could not even cause actual death or serious or fatal injury, hell even ash has tanked iron tail before, and he is still just a human.
Now imagine space godzilla, someone who towers above pikachu indefinitely, who has a regenerative ability. and has probably stepped on more metal and steel on the ground when stomping through a city. What is pikachu supposed to do?
Again, like I said, normal humans and weak pokemon have tanked strong blast from strong pokemon before, now with space godzilla’s beam attacks, this would massacre an entire city block instantly and probably the whole city too once space godzilla continuously went for the whole city.
Allow me to show you a couple of space godzilla feats
The first one was when his cells survived a black hole.
This was an explanation of spacegodzilla’s origin story
His cells legit survived a black hole like I said from the start. Not even his full self, his cells did.
Here is him tanking godzilla’s atomic breath
Which btw has destroyed city’s easily
Where as pikachu’s strongest hits cant destroy a city block.
Here is his corona beam being able to change its trajectory
Meaning even if he misses he can always change its trajectory.
And here is him using his telekinesis to lift up little godzilla after he shit on godzilla
And in case your still sceptical.
Here is him lifting the 60,000 ton godzilla
For his crystals,
Here is him summoning thousands of crystals from the ground to cause damage to multiple city blocks and earthquakes
Here are his crystals moving faster then his travel speed
Here is this dude using his crystals to fucking fly
Here is this dude fucking stabbing the 160,000 ton MOGUERA with his tail, when he was weakened.
So as you can see, all his feats and ability can make for a deadly dose of destruction.
His strength completely outmatches pikachu’s
His durability completely outmatches him, especially with his healing factor
His telekinesis can easily handle pikachu’s speed
His corona beam can easily fry pikachu
His crystals can cause massive amounts of damage and for a added bonus, even a defense against pikachu’s attacks.
Also, did you notice how it was able to reflect some of godzilla’s blasts? Thats hist gonna happen to pikachu if he continues.
I would include the comics but there not canon and plus they would be overkill.
In the comics we have him surviving reentry into orbit and him smacking godzilla with his tail and sending him flying.
Be thankful I’m ruling out those feats.
Okay so I get what you’re saying about Space Godzilla here. He definitely has some incredible raw power and durability but I’d say in this case the lack of speed will hurt him. Even more so than in most battles because Pikachu is easily massively FTL with all of the good speed showings he has had in the anime. Space Godzilla shouldn’t even be able to see Pikachu or register his movements. Pikachu can use Volt Tackle and just barrel into Space Godzilla. The sheer impact from that attack will get through any possible defenses with ease. He would be sent reeling right away. Space Godzilla isn’t built for this level of combat, he never has been! His battles with Godzilla are impressive but they’re both extremely slow and make for massive targets.
It’s different from someone like Pikachu who can run around the world in a few minutes based on the levels of speed we’ve seen here. Imagine Space Godzilla getting hit from all sides and being unable to respond. Those attacks would just get stronger and stronger while Space G ends up faltering. He would not be able to really do much about that. It would be an effective game over there.
It’s why no matter how strong Space Godzilla gets, it won’t help him because he can’t stop Pikachu. He can fly with the crystals but good luck turning there. Pikachu can rely on his physical attacks and just go in the whole time. See what he did to Leon’s Charizard? That’s basically how this fight plays out except even more drastic since Charizard is really fast. Space Godzilla would just end up being completely overwhelmed here and not even the King of the Kaiju, Godzilla himself would be able to do much about that. These two are just in different worldss
I keep having to repeat myself
What is the point in being faster if you lack the power necessary to do any fatal damage, especially if the guy can regenerate fatal damage and already has a tough defense?
Pikachu cant just use quick attack and expect space godzilla to just go down
also, what brought you to the conclusion that Pikachu is FTL? ok sure he has dodged energy lasers before, but just because it looks like a laser, and is called a laser, does not mean its 100% a laser.
as for volt tackle, again even assuming that Pikachu knows volt tackle, that wont do anything, space godzilla has survived far more worse things then a Pikachu volt tackle, hell pokemon like latios had survived the attack and even weaker beings too, beings that space godzilla clearly outmatches given his previous feats.
and again what makes you assume pikachu could simply just constantly speedblizt godzilla every second? He has never done so to ANY pokemon for an entire match, especially bigger and heavier pokemon who cant match pikachu’s speed, were still capable of hitting and defeating him.
Leons charizard, even with dynamax cannot compare to the sheer size and destructive power of space godzilla.
Did you even read what i said in my previous comment.
If space godzilla’s cells could survive a blackhole, what makes you think a fully constructed space godzilla with regeneration could be taken down by a measly volt tackle which at best could probably destroy a small building.
You don’t have any proof that pikachu’s feats are superior to space godzilla
all the proof you have shown is that Pikachu is faster
Ok cool
But that does not help against a being who could simply wipe out the entire area with one attack and just continue doing this until pikachu is hit and he dies.
Hell with the size comparison, space godzilla towers above leons dynamax charizard by a shit ton.
Leons dynamax charizard is not even taller rand bigger then the galar stadium, but space godzilla is already taller then every building in most city’s.
now think of that but its pikachu, who is EVEN smaller.
why am i bringing this up?
Its because pikachu cant make a dent in godzilla at all,
Pikachu’s attacks will be nothing but mere bug bites.
And hell stop bringing up the fact that Pikachu defeated leons charizard, he needed his z move to even get dynamax charizard to go down, and even then that did not put down charizard.
And hell during their fight when pikachu was using his attacks, they barely had a effect on dynamax charizard, iron tail, thunderbolt, it was useless.
Now imagine that but its space godzilla
who is
stronger
tougher
bigger
taller
but this time, 10 million thunderbolts wont be enough, especially since that leons charizard was part flying type, in which charizard was weak to electric attacks, vs a kaiju monster who could absorb lightning for a even stronger attack.
and especially since pikachu needs the assistance of ash to even use 10 million thunderbolts.
I hear what you’re saying so I want to make sure that you don’t think I’m skimming the comment. That being said, Pikachu is still in a completely different league here. Since we accept Pikachu being faster I’ll mainly focus on the strength aspect. As you said, it’s all really about whether or not Pikachu can hurt the Kaiju and I would say absolutely. Space Godzilla had trouble with the army. Sure, they wouldn’t have destroyed him at all but the fact that they can damage him means that Pikachu shouldn’t have any problem with this. Imagine a powerful Iron Tail hitting Space Godzilla straight up. Pikachu can use that attack in rapid fire succession with incredible precision and timing. He would be absolutely smashing Space Godzilla around the park left and right. There is nothing that the Kaiju would be able to do against this creature because of the speed difference.
He can launch wide area of effect attacks as you mentioned but they wouldn’t be fast enough to hit Pikachu anyway so he would really just be wasting his energy there. Pikachu meanwhile just has to keep firing ahead and the damage will add up. Space Godzilla isn’t invincible and he won’t be tanking those attacks. I can’t underscore enough that Pikachu was dealing extensive damage to mythical fighters like Charizard who are used to being hit with energy blast. Their durability should easily be comparable to that of any Kaiju, especially Godzilla type fighters who have been shown to have trouble with the army. I just rewatched Godzilla vs Mothra and both of them were taking heavy fire. They are not invincible or really ready for this kind of rush. That’s what will hurt them here.
“Okay so I get what you’re saying about Space Godzilla here. He definitely has some incredible raw power and durability but I’d say in this case the lack of speed will hurt him. Even more so than in most battles because Pikachu is easily massively FTL with all of the good speed showings he has had in the anime. Space Godzilla shouldn’t even be able to see Pikachu or register his movements. Pikachu can use Volt Tackle and just barrel into Space Godzilla. The sheer impact from that attack will get through any possible defenses with ease. He would be sent reeling right away. Space Godzilla isn’t built for this level of combat, he never has been! His battles with Godzilla are impressive but they’re both extremely slow and make for massive targets.”
Yeah we’re gonna need to get some scans out here ASAP showing how Pikachu “is easily massively FTL”. You’ve shown scans of other stuff, but nothing for your main argument showing anything like MTFL feats for Pikachu. This entire paragraph is completely unhelpful until you can demonstrate this in any capacity.
“It’s different from someone like Pikachu who can run around the world in a few minutes based on the levels of speed we’ve seen here. Imagine Space Godzilla getting hit from all sides and being unable to respond. Those attacks would just get stronger and stronger while Space G ends up faltering. He would not be able to really do much about that. It would be an effective game over there.”
Definitely need a scan for the running around the world in a few minutes claim. The most you’ve shown is Pikachu moving fast enough to get onto Charizard. Obviously that isn’t on the same level as anything you’re claiming here.
“It’s why no matter how strong Space Godzilla gets, it won’t help him because he can’t stop Pikachu. He can fly with the crystals but good luck turning there. Pikachu can rely on his physical attacks and just go in the whole time. See what he did to Leon’s Charizard? That’s basically how this fight plays out except even more drastic since Charizard is really fast. Space Godzilla would just end up being completely overwhelmed here and not even the King of the Kaiju, Godzilla himself would be able to do much about that. These two are just in different worldss”
You have not demonstrated the speed argument whatsoever, every other scan seems to be mostly pitifully weak against a Kaiju like Space Godzilla, and Leon’s Charizard is not a valid comparison. It gets absolutely dwarfed in size by Space Godzilla and likely weight. Also Flying type pokemon are weak to electric type moves. So even then Pikachu has a bit of an edge in that particular matchup. One that they don’t have in this matchup since even if you consider Space Godzilla a Flying type, it’s cancelled out by the energy conduit crystals that make those attacks way less impactful.
Oh yeah I didn’t show scans for Pikachu being FTL because I thought that was a given. He’s incredibly fast all throughout and that’s how he’s gotten his big reputation. His speed has little to no limits and I’ll attach the feats right now. There is a good reason why he is known as one of the most powerful Pokemon alive and it’s not just his raw strength. It’s because almost no Pokemon can even touch Pikachu. That’s how absolutely broken and powerful he is. This creature never rests and never surrenders. He’s just built different.
Check this video out from 0:30. You see that Pikachu and Espeon are both moving at speeds so quickly that there is light behind them and this was prior to the many powerups over the years.
This one was mostly in jest but the thread is more legit than the user knows
But the thing is Pikachu has the massive speed advantage here easy. Space Godzilla should not be able to touch him at all and will quickly be getting broken down left and right until Pikachu has taken the win. His durability is strong but not quite strong enough to hang in there for very long. I would agree that the size with Space G and Charizard is vast but at the end of the day these Kaiju are given a tough time by the government weapons and Pokemon are way above any normal artillery. That’s why the power will be enough to easily shatter through Space Godzilla’s defenses and the repeated hits are going to hurt. Space Godzilla has no true defense against this
“Check this video out from 0:30. You see that Pikachu and Espeon are both moving at speeds so quickly that there is light behind them and this was prior to the many powerups over the years.”
Yeah not taking this one seriously as there being some light behind them is not evidence of FTL speeds. It’s very clearly meant as a dramatic addition to the attack to grab the audience. It’s to show they’re fast and powerful, sure but it’s certainly not there to indicate FTL speed. You can see them moving much slower in the video itself. Not evidence of FTL speed in the slightest.
“This one was mostly in jest but the thread is more legit than the user knows”
So the user intentionally bullshitted this thread for a meme rant, and you expect me to just go with it? Yeah no, let’s go through all the scans to show why you shouldn’t use a joke rant as evidence for FTL Pikachu
1st: unviewable therefore I can’t speak on it
2nd: Shows a lot of charge time for Bulbasaur, easily can dodge that
3rd: Clearly can be seen moving nowhere near FTL level speeds. No way you can convince me that’s moving at FTL when I can easily keep track of the beam as it’s moving. It isn’t shown to be FTL and clearly wasn’t intended to be FTL.
4th: See 3rd scan
5th: See 3rd scan. (Ash is even capable of giving a command after its fired and before it hits.Clearly not even close to FTL.)
6th: See 3rd scan
7th: see 3rd scan
8th: Literally here for the sake of a joke of a counterargument.
” And if you’re going to argue that that last gives shows that there’s no way this is light speed, since Pikachu very clearly fell to the ground before the solar beam could reach him… shut up! Uh… Pikachu can control his direction in the air so that’s totally how he got to the ground at FTL speed.”
9th: Ajoke about how Gary’s word is gospel. Irrelevant.
10th: Just it destroying the ground and looking like it melted it
11th: Pikachu fired first, the two attacks hit each other. No indication this is FTL whatsoever.
12th: Ash again has time to give a command after the solar beam is fired, therefore clearly not even close to FTL.
13th: See 12th
14th: Literally explains exactly why it isn’t FTL. Eevee trips,two characters have time to comment, and then Bulbasaur goes in to help.
This whole thread is literally a joke, a troll rant made to laugh at the idea of FTL Pikachu. Using this thread is completely detrimental to your argument.
“But the thing is Pikachu has the massive speed advantage here easy. Space Godzilla should not be able to touch him at all and will quickly be getting broken down left and right until Pikachu has taken the win. His durability is strong but not quite strong enough to hang in there for very long. I would agree that the size with Space G and Charizard is vast but at the end of the day these Kaiju are given a tough time by the government weapons and Pokemon are way above any normal artillery. That’s why the power will be enough to easily shatter through Space Godzilla’s defenses and the repeated hits are going to hurt. Space Godzilla has no true defense against this”
Cool Pikachu has the speed advantage. As for durability you can go on and on about government weaponry but he’s also easily tanked Godzilla’s atomic breath, tanks Gigan shredding his chest like it’s nothing, effortlessly tanks Battra’s beams, is only annoyed by a direct hit to the head from Mechagodzilla’s beams and some more assorted tanking of energy and physical attacks.
https://i.imgur.com/gcxHmuL_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand
Other assorted feats:
Still fighting even after the crystals are being attacked while in atmospheric re-entry
Only gets knocked out with no visible damage to it after an atomic breath to the face
Unharmed after Monster X messes with Godzilla and SpaceGodzilla’s beams at the same time
SpaceGodzilla tanks all sorts of powerful energy and physical attacks all the time. Unless you can show something crazy from the Gigantamax version of Pikachu, i’m not taking the speed and damage arguments seriously.
All right those feats are pretty good but we have to understand that Pikachu clears the whole Godzilla verse. The level of damage he can output and the rate at which he does it is something that Space Godzilla has never had to deal with before. You want clear proof of this? Check these two feats out below:
https://streamable.com/4yvwb
So in the first visual we see how Rayquaza and the two Lugia are able to stalemate a blast from Hoopa. In the second Hoopa has backup from 4-5 legendaries but Pikachu joins the others and it ends up being a stalemate. This shows just how wildly powerful Pikachu is. His single thunderbolt was able to match up to 4-5 legendary Pokemon blasts all at once which easily scales him well above all the Kaiju. Imagine getting hit by that kind of attack? Space Godzilla is not surviving that.
I know we don’t care about the speed much since it was already established that Pikachu runs rings around the verse but here’s a bonus one anyway.
https://www.redgifs.com/watch/feistyalarmingeyas
If Donphan can casually dodge the Pokeball laser which is basically FTL then it stands to reason that Pikachu can do this as well.
If the older FTL gifs didn’t do it for you, here’s a different one
Pikachu literally vanishes from view and turns into a ball of light as he snatches the cap away.
As for Space Godzilla, I wouldn’t call the atomic breath moment much of a feat because he was still knocked out. He may not have been destroyed but he didn’t exactly tank that one. Still I do agree that Space Godzilla is very powerful in the Godzilla verse. I would put him right up there with Monster X and Destoroyah as one of the most powerful ones out there.
“So in the first visual we see how Rayquaza and the two Lugia are able to stalemate a blast from Hoopa. In the second Hoopa has backup from 4-5 legendaries but Pikachu joins the others and it ends up being a stalemate. This shows just how wildly powerful Pikachu is. His single thunderbolt was able to match up to 4-5 legendary Pokemon blasts all at once which easily scales him well above all the Kaiju. Imagine getting hit by that kind of attack? Space Godzilla is not surviving that.”
Yeah Pikachu isn’t doing anything in this GIF. The Legendaries are doing all the work. i see a bunch of Legendary Pokemon whipping out beams to match the power of a Hoopa. Pikachu isn’t doing any of what you’re saying, and even if he is, I’ve already shown Space Godzilla tanking powerful beam attacks in the past so this is irrelevant.
“If Donphan can casually dodge the Pokeball laser which is basically FTL then it stands to reason that Pikachu can do this as well.”
Absolutely not. You can very clearly see that Donphan is not moving at FTL speeds. It is jumping out of the way of a very slow laser not unlike any animal from the real world.To say this is light speed is ridiculous.
“Pikachu literally vanishes from view and turns into a ball of light as he snatches the cap away.”
We’ve already talked about the light stuff with the Espeon fight. That’s not him literally moving at FTL speeds. As for the vanishing from view, that could simply indicate that he’s fast enough to be above human perception. There’s nothing indicating it’s necessarily light speed. And FTE (Faster than Eyesight) level speed is a far cry from the FTL speed you’re claiming.
‘As for Space Godzilla, I wouldn’t call the atomic breath moment much of a feat because he was still knocked out. He may not have been destroyed but he didn’t exactly tank that one. Still I do agree that Space Godzilla is very powerful in the Godzilla verse. I would put him right up there with Monster X and Destoroyah as one of the most powerful ones out there.”
The point is that there is no real visible damage to Space Godzilla. I acknowledge he was knocked out, but it doesn’t diminish the fact you have utterly failed to demonstrate Pikachu’s ability to replicate this level of damage let alone surpass it.
It’s true that the Pokeball laser didn’t look fast but it’s a beam of light so by definition it should be light speed. Donphan isn’t even one of the fastest Pokemon out there so if he can dodge it then Pikachu can too and then we have to auto scale everybody up at the same time. It’s a race to the top and Pikachu is just the man for the job. Pikachu just has to go in and land some absolutely devastating electric blows left and right. There won’t be any stopping him once he is on a roll. That is the power of the thunder mouse.
If Pikachu just keeps on using his iron tail he can just simulate Godzilla’s atomic breath and knock Space Godzilla out in the same way. Thanks to his speed advantage he can also take some time and really build up his momentum in order to land a critical hit. That is why I can’t bet against Pikachu here. The possibilities are truly endless. This is why I scale him as one of the most powerful Pokemon in existence.
Addendum because I didn’t notice the second part of the Hoopa feat until now.
My issue with this is that there’s no indication that Pikachu was the one that pushed this over the edge to any significant degree. It’s seems like based on how the scene was shot that it was just throwing everything they had for long range attacks.There’s nothing here convincing me that this only worked because Pikachu was oh so powerful that he was able to turn the tables.
That’s true, we don’t know for sure that Pikachu is the reason why the attack succeeded but it’s the only new data point so we have to assume that he did the job and that makes him as strong as multiple legendaries
“It’s true that the Pokeball laser didn’t look fast but it’s a beam of light so by definition it should be light speed. Donphan isn’t even one of the fastest Pokemon out there so if he can dodge it then Pikachu can too and then we have to auto scale everybody up at the same time. It’s a race to the top and Pikachu is just the man for the job. Pikachu just has to go in and land some absolutely devastating electric blows left and right. There won’t be any stopping him once he is on a roll. That is the power of the thunder mouse.”
Nope not how that works. You need to demonstrate that the pokeball laser works the same as normal light. And you can’t because it demonstrably and visually does not. It very clearly has a visible trajectory that goes from the Pokeball to the point where it’s being aimed. It. is. not. FTL. Unless you have something that contradicts what’s literally being shown on screen I don’t care about your beam of light argument. Therefore Pikachu doesn’t auto scale and therefore isn’t FTL.
If Pikachu just keeps on using his iron tail he can just simulate Godzilla’s atomic breath and knock Space Godzilla out in the same way. Thanks to his speed advantage he can also take some time and really build up his momentum in order to land a critical hit. That is why I can’t bet against Pikachu here. The possibilities are truly endless. This is why I scale him as one of the most powerful Pokemon in existence.
“That’s true, we don’t know for sure that Pikachu is the reason why the attack succeeded but it’s the only new data point so we have to assume that he did the job and that makes him as strong as multiple legendaries”
Awesome, so you admit that that you cannot verify that Pikachu is the reason why the attack succeeded. The shot of the second attack even painstakingly has the other attacks supersede Pikachu and get farther, quicker. So there is no indication that this makes him as strong as multiple legendaries. It could just as easily be the legendaries being capable of handling the attacks of other legendaries. This would make far more sense than your hairbrained theories about Pikachu being that powerful.One that once again cannot be verified by your own admission.
All right, for now lets shelve the Pokeball light is FTL thing. It’s probably a pretty tricky one for me to prove right now since Ash has also dodged the laser in the past. It’s possible his reactions are just air tight though and that would scale up the whole verse even more. Heh, I told people Pokemon was a truly OP verse after all but even I could never have suspected this!
Now for the Hoopa stuff, I mean it is as close to being verified as it could have been. Like what other conclusions can we even come too? Pikachu just went hard in the paint and showed exactly the kinds of abilities that he had at his disposal. He was the only difference in the two scenes with the attack working and not working. It’s probably the best theory in the fandom and I’m the first one to come up with it which is insane! It’s one theory I can proudly say I’ve never seen anyone else bring up, that Pikachu is as strong as multiple legendries at least since aside from the clip nobody defends my boy Pikachu like that.
Now for Space Godzilla, what answer would he have to those powerful shocks? Pikachu just need to keep on swinging for the fences here and eventually Space Godzilla will run out of attacks to use against him. Space Godzilla will quickly be taking decades worth of damage in a single swing. Yeah that’s definitely not good for him. It means that he will be on the defensive once again. No shot at overcoming the odds and taking control of his destiny.
The speed advantage is absolutely crucial here because Space G should not be able to keep up or land any solid blows in the meantime. He will be on the back foot here and that is definitely bad news for him. As soon as he falls down it’s over because Pikachu will be hitting him millions of times in a moment and those hits will add up
What army has space godzilla even battled, the only known fights he has is with godzilla himself.
2nd of all iron tail would do absolutely nothing on space godzilla, iron tail could braley make a dynamax charizard flinch or hell do any damage really, so a kaiju like godzilla who is bigger and more durable would find the iron tail a complete joke.
Yes pikachu is faster but that does not mean he cant tire out. There have been times where long drawn out fights have worn pikachu out. and large scale area attacks have indeed worked on pikachu in the past. Sure pikachu has been capable of dodging them but not forever, and besides corona beam can actually follow the target, not to mention all the crystals that space godzilla has at his disposal.
An army that has tanks and guns and missiles only proved mild damage to godzilla and mothra. That would not go the same for pikachu fi he was hit with a bullet, he would end up dying, remember pikachu is not invincible either. and yes pikachu is fast and he probably could doge a bullet, just one is enough to put him out of commission. now I’m not saying that you can easily defeat any pokemon with a gun, I’m just saying that if pikachu were to be shot by a gun then it would have a great effect.
But if it was like say a ghost, steel,ground,rock, or depending on the body properties or special abilities that pokemon has. then its unlikely that a bullet is gonna put them down.
Ok yes energy blasts in pokemon are devastating but normal human beings have survived being hit by such blasts before. Hell ash has dealt with being shocked by pikachu’s thunderbolt for years now. and before you say “yeah but some of the time it was all for gags” Pikachu has been mind controlled before and forced to fight ash.
One time in hoenn he had amnesia after hitting his head too hard, then he was manipulated by team rocket to join them and fight ash.
another is during unova when pikachu gets mind controlled and forced to fight ash, the same eventually happens in kalos. in fact it happens twice in kalos.
So considering how ash has been able to tank a agro pikachu’s thunderbolts.
Im sure that a giant kaiju monster ,who has regeneration and can already absorb electricity in the first place can do just fine.
Afterall pikachu cant spam thunderbolt or iron tail every second.
You have not shown he can do this.
whereas space godzilla, has done just about everything i said he could do.
Like annihilate the area with corona beam, even normal godzilla has done so before.
I want to see actual feats of pikachu surpassing that of space godzillas strength and durability, if it cant match it then there’s no point in continuing this debate if you cant find any.
Well Ash is built different so I’m not sure about scaling anything based on how he can endure the Pokemon moves. That’s just his style, Ash can and will always rise to the occasion and endure any kind of attack as needed. Still, I get that you need to see some more out of Pikachu so I’ve got you covered there.
Bro check this out
Aegislash was destroying a whole forest with his sword attacks but Pikachu tanked that like a champ. It shows that he can easily endure cutting blows which should have ended him in an instant. If that isn’t true defense then I don’t know what is. Pikachu can literally survive a slicing attack that is meant to cut you in two. Space Godzilla has nothing on that I’m afraid. Because this means even if an attack were to hit Pikachu that he can endure it but again Space Godzilla won’t be landing any hits.
We’ve already established that Pikachu is way too fast for Space Godzilla to handle so we don’t really need to go into that one. Space Godzilla will be getting absolutely dominated here as he gets blitzed by a ton of attacks so I think what you’re looking for here is really just some good ole fashioned strength feats then right? Well the best way to do that is for me to post some gifs.
Check this one out, Pikachu was able to strike this guy’s power shield and push him back which is absolutely crazy considering how high tier that barrier is. It’s not something that can be easily defeated.
Pikachu denting metal with his head
Now here’s where things get good. Pikachu kicked a piece of wood with so much force that Aegislash couldn’t even react to it. That’s absolutely nutty when you really think about it because this guy was already shown to have absolute speed with how he could see the logs in slow motion.
So this kind of power would definitely be enough to pierce through Space Godzilla and land a lot of damage. Note that I didn’t include any electricity attacks so there is no chance of it being absorbed. This is true power. This is who Pikachu is!
Its not just ash who can tank hits from pokemon, other humans have been able to do the same just fine, I’m not saying there immune to pokemon attacks it still hurts them and can still be dangerous.
Pikachu denting metal with his head is nothing compared to space godzilla cassualy destroying a building by stepping on it, which probably has more amount of metals then one simple cage.
Pikachu kicking a piece of wood still does not match space g’s strength, and also it was not because aeigaslash could not react to it, its because the main purpose of kicking the wood was to stop aeigaslash from going back into his sheath, which would allow him to use king shield.
But what is something like this suppose to benefit pikachu for when facing a kaiju who could destroy the entire stadium pikachu is standing on in a instant by either kicking it or using his corona beam.
Space godzilla has tanked atomic breaths from normal godzilla before, and atomic breath had destroyed countless city blocks. Why is pikachu kicking a piece of wood going to benefit him.
That’s true but humans be built different sometimes. You then have to scale everyone up because it means the Pokemon was probably holding back quite a lot. Space Godzilla destroying a building is really impressive for sure but you have to remember that Space G’s big weakness is that he isn’t quite able to deal with Pikachu’s speed. So Pikachu may not be quite as powerful or durable as Space Godzilla but the gap is small enough where Pikachu can absolutely decimate him in close quarters. Yeah that’s right, Pikachu isn’t going to be handling too many attacks because he will be dodging them. The piece of wood feat was just a good visual of how doomed Space G is in this matchup. Speed is not his forte
For one just because pikachu has light moving behind him does not necessarily mean he is moving FTL. Quick attack maybe moves faster then eye sight, and in some cases maybe lightning but idk, but overall that Pikachu vs espeon feat does not stack to lightspeed
As for the reddit part i will admit the guy there gave some pretty good evidence as to why pikachu could be FTL
But sadly, there’s a chance that he is wrong
Let me quote something another guy said
“If the solar beam is moving at the same speed as thunder bolt/electro ball, and it’s not actually sunlight it’s just a beam that is made using the sun’s energy and is ejected by a Pokémon, then wouldn’t that mean solar beam isn’t actually lightspeed? It would more likely mean that the solar beam attack is nearer to lightning speed or whatever Pikachu’s attack is than true lightspeed.
After thinking this through a second time, I’m thinking OP isn’t serious and this is just a joke post.”
Even some others in the comments have said that it was a troll, or that the guy who did the post was a massive pokemon wanker
Of course i had to read over and check everything to make sure
but yeah, pretty much the comment made by betaboy777
What makes it probably not a real feat is that he decides to have the weirdness of putting a truck and a lightly tossed thunder stone in.
He also decides to have the audacity to say that everything and everybody is FTL in the pokemon anime, which just is not true.
BUT
even if we consider this feat and Pikachu really is FTL
Agian
I gotta say this all the time
This wont work against a foe who is far stronger and more durable
Hell the vsbattle wiki had put pikachu at a small building level.
There not too far bad with that since all we have seen from pikachu is like a whole building being destroyed.
and spacegodzilla could certainly take the punishment.
Like i said, his cells had survived a black hole, survived godzilla’s atomic breath which could destroy city blocks and possibly whole city’s.
You at least gave a speed feat but we already established that Pikachu was faster anyway to begin with.
I wanna see a strength and durability feat from him
to see if he can use his speed advantage to avoid incoming attacks while being able to land a attack that can ACTUALLY DO GOOD ENOUGH DAMAGE, and a durability feat to see if he can really survive all of space g’s attacks
I’m copying part of the feats I posted in another response for Pikachu’s FTL.
All right those feats are pretty good but we have to understand that Pikachu clears the whole Godzilla verse. The level of damage he can output and the rate at which he does it is something that Space Godzilla has never had to deal with before. You want clear proof of this? Check these two feats out below:
https://streamable.com/4yvwb
So in the first visual we see how Rayquaza and the two Lugia are able to stalemate a blast from Hoopa. In the second Hoopa has backup from 4-5 legendaries but Pikachu joins the others and it ends up being a stalemate. This shows just how wildly powerful Pikachu is. His single thunderbolt was able to match up to 4-5 legendary Pokemon blasts all at once which easily scales him well above all the Kaiju. Imagine getting hit by that kind of attack? Space Godzilla is not surviving that.
I know we don’t care about the speed much since it was already established that Pikachu runs rings around the verse but here’s a bonus one anyway.
https://www.redgifs.com/watch/feistyalarmingeyas
If Donphan can casually dodge the Pokeball laser which is basically FTL then it stands to reason that Pikachu can do this as well.
If the older FTL gifs didn’t do it for you, here’s a different one
Pikachu literally vanishes from view and turns into a ball of light as he snatches the cap away.
Look Space Godzilla is incredibly powerful so with this in mind now you can agree with me that he clears Space Godzilla right? The Kaiju won’t know what hit him here and will be completely overwhelmed and devastated if he goes up against such a powerful threat like this. Pikachu is taking no prisoners. Never has and never will. He’s the kind of guy who just steps in there and gets results quick as he can. It’s why he is such a living legend.
For your first bit of evidence
You mentioned Lugia, but lugia ain’t no where to be seen, i think you mean latios and latias.
2nd of all pikachu being assisted by 3 legendary pokemon to fend off one other legendary pokemon attack is absurd. Especially if one of those pokemon is rayquaza.
3rd of all pikachu in your line of evidence did absolutely nothing, he did not fire off a thunderbolt, all he did was watch on latias’s back.
Now as for how strong hoopa is i will say this hoopa would most likely win against space godzilla, this is because of his ability to summon and control almost every legendary pokemon to his own liking, this includes the creation trio who are all each universal or low multiversal, maybe even multiversal in their own right.
But being able to summon them means space godzilla stands no chance against them.
And in case your wondering No, Pikachu on his own cannot match or defeat any of the pokemon mentioned.
He cannot defeat the creation trio or hoopa unbound or rayquaza.
latios and latias that’s a maybe, since pikachu fought a latios to a tie.
The pokeball’s beam is not FTL when multiple pokemon who are much slower could dodge it. at best its a laser.
Pikachu using quick attack again is not a sign of him being FTL, in the anime that’s how quick attack looks like for every pokemon.
Even then we could see aipom being able to still see pikachu moving when he uses quick attack.
Even if he is FTL, Pikachu cant hope to damage or survive attacks from Space godzilla
No you gotta watch the clip again. Pikachu was putting in the work. He reminded me of how I would lift the 5LB weights at the gym. That’s the kind of effort he was putting in. I’d pick Pikachu to beat any of those legendaries one on one but that’s a debate for another time I suppose.
All lasers made of light should be FTL by definition though right? So we gotta scale everyone up. The quick attack is impressive though, that’s why it is always a go to move. Pikachu won’t be surviving too many hits from Space Godzilla. I agree on that but at the same time he won’t need too because the speed advantage is too great. He can just keep on blasting Space Godilla from all sides and that would be the end of that. There will be no stopping this fighter…no shot! Pikachu is going all the way
I had missed the part of the link, thought it was the link to the first gif
But anyway still this does not conclude that Pikachu is stronger then space godzilla, yes the creation trio is there, along with kyorgre, groudon and kyerum and i did say that the creation trio is stronger then space godzilla, but all pikachu did along with rayquaza was block one attack.
And that for some reason by default makes him stronger then all of them?
let alone the fact that latios,latias and rayquaza are there to help pikachu in this battle.
kyruem, groudon, and kyogre and beings that space godzilla could match
Or hell spacegodzilla could defeat them.
Palkia, dialga and giratina however no space godzilla will lose to them.
And hell even then pikachu’s thunderbolt has been blocked by weaker foes.
And even still just cause you can block an attack with your own energy attack does not mean you can easily take on or defeat said foe who blasted energy attack.
its even less convincing when rayquaza was there to block the attack too.
and rayquaza was stronger then both groudon and kyogre, kyruem is debatable, and the creation trio he cant defeat alone.
And hell during the fight soon enough rayquaza had mega evolved to fight them, that includes latios and latias too.
And by the end of the fight they only defeated hoopa by returning him to his bottle.
So no, Pikachu cannot hope to defeat hoopa, let alone any of the legendary pokemon that were under hoopa’s control.
I would put my money on Pikachu beating Hoopa though. His raw power is good enough to injure Hoopa while having the massive speed advantage as well. Of course I do think Hoopa could take on Space Godzilla though along with most other legendary Pokemon as well. They may be big but they are still fast which is a big weakness for Space Godzilla since he doesn’t have that level of speed. He would keep on growing weaker as they grow stronger.
Show Pikachu fighting Hoopa on his own or feats from Pikachu that could take down Hoopa. Alongside this show scans of Hoopa being taken down by similar feats you showed for Pikachu.
The problem is they didn’t have a one on one fight here though
First of all not a single legendary (besides latios and latias though there mega evolved form is gonna shit on Pikachu) is going to lose to pikachu, he is far too weak to be capable of fighting any of them
Since groudon is part ground pikachu’s electric attacks are proven useless
kyore, while being weak to electric attacks is still gonna end up hitting pikachu way too
kyurem is gonna freeze pikachu to death
palkia, dialga and girintina all manipulate reality, plus there all dragon and dragon types resist electric attacks so pikachu loses
and hoopa could deal with a lugia, mega rayquaza, mega latios and latias.
and no i don’t think speed is the issue for hoopa beating space godzilla, i think the issue is that hoopa can summon pokemon capable of threatening the existence of earth as well as time and space.
To deal with your FTL speed claim
I hear what you’re saying but that gif I attached really spoke volumes about just how impressive Pikachu is. That guy was not going down easy and is definitely a top tier contender on all fronts. Pikachu has the speed to dodge any and all Pokemon while countering with absolutely devastating firepower. It’s hard to picture the others managing to do much against him.
As for Hoopa, those Pokemon are strong so I’m with you there but speed is pretty much always the #1 reason why you win a fight. If you are faster than the opponent then that is curtains. You’re just not going to lose to an opponent who is significantly slower than you. It just doesn’t happen.
Just because your faster, does not mean instant win.
If you cant find a weak spot or lack the strength to even beat the enemy, then your speed is useless.
For example, Pikachu had fought a torkoal before, obviously pikachu was much faster, but the moment he was hit by an overheat from torkoal, Pikachu got taken down instantly.
This was when ash fought flannery, who btw was an unexperienced gym leader, sure ash still won but my point stands that speed alone cant win every fight.
Yes speed is crucial in a fight but its not always the deciding factor.
Pikachu would never be able to beat any of those legendaries at all that hoopa spawned.
Groudon is part ground meaning pikachu’s electric attacks are useless and groudons defense is absurd, Added to that being the fact that Pikachu is weak to ground types.
Kyogre, while pikachu has the type advantage, kyogre special attack is far too strong for pikachu to handle, especially its primal form.
kyurem is part dragon so it resist electric attacks with the only effective move being iron tail. But even then kyurem is far stronger, he has been stated to be capable of freezing entire cities, Pikachu has not pulled off something like that before.
both palkia and dialga are FAR beyond most of the pokemon as they control space and time. No way is pikachu capable fo taking them on, plus there both dragons and as i said dragons resist electric type attacks.
Hoopa himself could take on lugia and hell we already saw how pikachu had battled against lugia, he did not even win.
Latios and latias are probably the only ones that Pikachu could defeat, since he defeated one back in the sinnoh league. But since the ones in the movie were mega evolved that’s gonna be even tougher for him
Rayquaza is far beyond pikachu, especially in its mega form. Rayquaza could outmatch both primal groudon and kyogre, and i already said how much stronger those 2 were compared to pikachu.
So in short, there was no way pikachu was capable of beating a SINGLE legendary pokemon, Pikachu’s feats simply cant match the legendaries and just because pikachu blocked one attack with help. That is not convincing enough to instantly say pikachu can take them on.
And since you failed to provide evidence of pikachu even battling hoopa, Pikachu is simply not capable of defeating hoopa nor any of the legendaries we see from the movie.
So no pikachu cannot defeat the legendaries, and he cannot defeat space godzilla, he may speed, but with the lack of any good AP and durability, he simply wont last long enough for his speed to come to good use.
Ah and the Hoopa stuff was supposed to be my smoking gun for the debate. It was supposed to show how Pikachu is in a completely different league from even the legendaries at this point. Okay lets talk about Pikachu volt tackling this monster through a wall
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Or jumping off of a high speed cart and delivering a devastating blow to Noivern
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These guys aren’t legendaries but that still takes a lot of power. We also saw in the new Pokemon Horizons show that Pikachu’s electric punch is incredibly lethal. What is Space Godzilla going to do against a direct hit like that? Pikachu’s got enough AP to damage any Pokemon he’s gone up against. Lets not forget that he was able to even damage Onyx who is supposed to be completely immune to thunder attacks. That was back in early, early season 1 when he was likely around level 5 or so. Compare that to later on and there’s no contest. He would be dealing devastating damage to Space Godzilla in every corner
Putting this here because I don’t feel like scrolling around until I find the nearest reply button.
“All right, for now lets shelve the Pokeball light is FTL thing. It’s probably a pretty tricky one for me to prove right now since Ash has also dodged the laser in the past. It’s possible his reactions are just air tight though and that would scale up the whole verse even more. Heh, I told people Pokemon was a truly OP verse after all but even I could never have suspected this!”
Awesome, so his speed is not
“Now for the Hoopa stuff, I mean it is as close to being verified as it could have been. Like what other conclusions can we even come too? Pikachu just went hard in the paint and showed exactly the kinds of abilities that he had at his disposal. He was the only difference in the two scenes with the attack working and not working. It’s probably the best theory in the fandom and I’m the first one to come up with it which is insane! It’s one theory I can proudly say I’ve never seen anyone else bring up, that Pikachu is as strong as multiple legendries at least since aside from the clip nobody defends my boy Pikachu like that”
One scene showed three legendaries stalemating one legendary
A second scene showed the same legendaries and Pikachu fighting Hoopa and a bunch of other legendaries and stalemating.
There is a missing link that needs to be filled to show Pikachu had any major effect on the second scene. There needs to be a middle scene showing the Rayquaza, Latios and Latias failing to stalemate the attack from Hoopa and the legendaries fighting on Hoopa’s side. You haven’t shown anything like that, so I have no reason to believe these two scenes follow each other logically. If you cannot show the middle scene I described, i’m simply going to dismiss this argument as a total non sequitur.
“Now for Space Godzilla, what answer would he have to those powerful shocks? Pikachu just need to keep on swinging for the fences here and eventually Space Godzilla will run out of attacks to use against him. Space Godzilla will quickly be taking decades worth of damage in a single swing. Yeah that’s definitely not good for him. It means that he will be on the defensive once again. No shot at overcoming the odds and taking control of his destiny.”
Since this paragraph necessarily follows the faulty logic of the previous paragraph, this one is irrelevant until you can show the middle scene I described.
“The speed advantage is absolutely crucial here because Space G should not be able to keep up or land any solid blows in the meantime. He will be on the back foot here and that is definitely bad news for him. As soon as he falls down it’s over because Pikachu will be hitting him millions of times in a moment and those hits will add up”
You have yet to demonstrate, at least in the comments that we’ve traded that Pikachu has the attack power to compliment this speed enough to do significant damage to Space Godzilla so I will wait until such time that you do so to agree with this sentiment.
Yeah scrolling to the reply on the user end is always a hassle. I looked into improving the page but apparently I’d need to pay more to do that.
I just think without even filling that in, Pikachu is the only difference. Like you said, 3 legendaries were able to stalemate 1. In the second clip Hoopa has several others helping him and the first team only added Pikachu yet its still a stalemate. So Pikachu is the only difference and thus we have to believe that he has enough power to counter several legendaries at once. It’s just the only possible explanation there without any other context. I haven’t seen the film in years but don’t recall anything else there.
Pikachu’s no stranger to taking down Kaijus:
His Iron Tail was enough to rip the ground asunder and then with a single thunder bolt he beat a Kaiju level opponent. Space Godzilla isn’t standing up to hits like that for very long. He is getting absolutely crushed instead and then that would be the end of him. His crystals can help with regen and defenses but Pikachu is breaking all of those real quick
“I just think without even filling that in, Pikachu is the only difference. Like you said, 3 legendaries were able to stalemate 1. In the second clip Hoopa has several others helping him and the first team only added Pikachu yet its still a stalemate. So Pikachu is the only difference and thus we have to believe that he has enough power to counter several legendaries at once. It’s just the only possible explanation there without any other context. I haven’t seen the film in years but don’t recall anything else there.”
Alright so that argument is being dismissed as a non sequitur. You’ve admitted that this scene exists. We have no real way of knowing whether Pikachu was necessary for this to be a stalemate or whether the 3 legendaries could’ve handled it on their own. It’s just bs that you haven’t substantiated. I’m not accepting this argument until you can show this necessary third clip that can do that. If you don’t have anything else, this argument will be dismissed in the future. I repeat this argument will be dismissed in the future. You will not get to claim that Pikachu has the power to counter several legendaries at once.
Even if it is the case that Pikachu was the deciding factor that does not give him the power to directly counter several legendaries at once. If I were to quantify the powers of the three legendaries as 99 and Hoopa’s as 100 and then added Pikachu as 1 this would still be a stalemate. It does not follow that because Pikachu helped make this a stalemate that he all of a sudden has more power than several legendaries. It could add 20 to 80 in this hypothetical quantification and it still would not be the case that your argument works. It is a non sequitur on top of another non sequitur. Even if one is technically correct, you don’t have the evidence to conclude the second part. Again this argument will be entirely dismissed in the future.
“His Iron Tail was enough to rip the ground asunder and then with a single thunder bolt he beat a Kaiju level opponent. Space Godzilla isn’t standing up to hits like that for very long. He is getting absolutely crushed instead and then that would be the end of him. His crystals can help with regen and defenses but Pikachu is breaking all of those real quick.”
I would barely consider Gigantamax Drednaw in the lower end of Kaijus. It’s about 24 meters tall, Space G’s 120 meters tall. For context here’s a bunch of other Kaiju that are significantly larger than Gigantamax Drednaw.
Rodan: 50 meters
Showa Gigan: 65-120 meters
Keizer Ghidorah: 140 meters
Biollante: 80-120 meters
Gamera: 30-80 meters
Even Anguirus the quadrupedal Ankylosaurus Kaiju is at least 40 meters at it’s shortest. Gigantamax Drednaw is tiny in comparison. The Minilla aka a literally infant of Godzilla’s species can almost reach the same height, at about 20 meters.
We don’t have an exact weight for Drednaw, but with the size difference and the raw mass Space G’s got I think that it’s safe to say this isn’t a valid comparison in the least. Also it took me all of 10 seconds to find a Dual type comparison chart for Electric type moves. Guess which combination was super weak against electric type moves? Oh yeah, the Water/Rock type combination, aka Gigantamax Drednaw’s exact typing. So this feat is entirely irrelevant on that basis alone. This type of pokemon is directly weak to Gigantamax Pikachu’s move. Of course he gets one shot by a move like Thunderbolt. That would only make sense. Not to mention all those speed advantage you’re talking about immediately go away in this form. Pikachu is way slower and way larger of a target for Space G, making it way easier for him to land those hits that might otherwise miss. This feat is a joke and any benefit it could maybe get from attack power immediately sacrifices all the speed you were talking about and makes Pikachu an immediate sitting duck compared to his smaller self.
Nooooo, that was some of my best ammo for Pikachu. Fortunately the most powerful Pokemon always have a lot of tricks up their sleeve and this thunder mouse is no different. I should be able to get more feats in spades to put Space Godzilla down for good. Lets just say that his days are numbered now.
It is true that in his huge form Pikachu will be slower so maybe it’s not worth it. I always prioritize speed over strength. At the end of the day it feels like that gets the results way better than any other stat balance. After all, how do you hit an opponent who is so much faster? Pikachu would be halfway to kentucky by the time Space Godzilla can land any counters.
I do think he should focus on the speed and in doing so this should be a very one sided match all the way to victory. What is Space Godzilla going to do against such a powerful opponent? I don’t think he has enough options here to really put up a fight and his durability will definitely go down against a spammage of Iron Tails. Pikachu would be shattering all of the crystals in an instant here and then going for seconds. He doesn’t even need Raichu form because imo he is a lot more powerful and skilled in Pikachu form.
There’s literally nothing for me to talk about here. You’ve shown nothing for me to actually refute. It’s literally just you doing one long “trust me bro” about speed without directly saying the words. How about we show some scans instead of saying we’re going to, so I have something of substance to respond to. Because as of now it’s just going to be a lot of me saying what i’ve just said but spread out between multiple paragraphs of yours.
All right lets get some feats in here. First up just a casual lifting feat for hundreds of pounds
Why is that relevant? It ties into my next point:
If Space Godzilla tries to use his crystals to trap Pikachu, the Pokemon can explode with thunder to get out or just lift one and escape.
This next one will take some power scaling:
So Scyther was fast enough to the point where he disappeared but wasn’t fast enough to dodge Mighteyana and Pikachu was fast enough to hit Mighteyana. So another point for Pikachu’s speed. We’ve already gone over his attack power so mix this in and Space G will be completely helpless!
“All right lets get some feats in here. First up just a casual lifting feat for hundreds of pounds”
Irrelevant feat. A bunch of Pikachu stacking on top of each other means literally nothing in the context of an actual fight. Especially since it’ll be one Pikachu against Space G.
“Why is that relevant? It ties into my next point:
If Space Godzilla tries to use his crystals to trap Pikachu, the Pokemon can explode with thunder to get out or just lift one and escape.”
Cool, Pikachu destroyed some regular ol rocks. Now demonstrate his ability to destroy much laregr crystals in his non Gigantamax form. And then demonstrate that this has any bearing on all the other abilities Space G can pull off.
“This next one will take some power scaling:
So Scyther was fast enough to the point where he disappeared but wasn’t fast enough to dodge Mighteyana and Pikachu was fast enough to hit Mighteyana. So another point for Pikachu’s speed. We’ve already gone over his attack power so mix this in and Space G will be completely helpless!”
These are two different Scythers right? So the better explanation is that the second Scyther simply wasn’t as capable as the second. Because if the first one went up against the Mightyena it would’ve easily dodged it. The first Scyther was being proactive and fighting competently, the second was not. So Pikachu hitting Mightyena isn’t nearly as impressive as you’re making it out to be.
Pikachu cannot stand againts any of the legendaries seen in the hoopa battle
Period
Pikachu in his entire time of fighting has only managed to beat 4 legends
A regice, a latios, a sylvally, and a tapu koko
All of those pokemon are not above most of the legendaries seen in the hoopa movie.
Space godzilla on the other hand is a different story
where he could take on groudon and kyogre, who are btw planet level threats, kyureum i think being country level
though dialga, palkia and girintina easily deal with space godzilla
For your first gif I’m not gonna be convinced that Pikachu using volt tackle on a volcrona, who is not known for his defense stat crushing a wall.
Space godzilla has tanked far more worse attacks like the corona beam from godzilla, which i already stated could wipe out city blocks easily
Same goes with the 2nd one, an electro ball would still not be enough to hurt space godzilla that much.
And captain pikachu’s thunder punch still cannot output a level even close to the durability feats i have shown you previously
As for the onix, thunderbolt only worked because onix got wet from the sprinklers in the gym, since water conducts electricity, pikachu’s thunderbolt would actually work.
The problem with space godzilla is that he is able to absorb energy with his crystals to either heal him more or increase his power
and let me quote this power that space godzilla has
EMP Aura: His body naturally emits energy that can shut down and even absorb electricity.
That is one HUGE problem for pikachu, where his strongest attack is electricity based
Space godzilla has done this so many times already, so pikachu’s signature z move will be nothing but a waste, and even then he needs a trainer in order to use this move
I’m picking up what you’re putting down here about the electricity absorption. I also agree that it is a huge problem and makes the fight significantly more difficult for Pikachu than it would have been otherwise. That being said, I don’t think it’s the massive game changer we’re thinking it might have been though and that’s for one big reason. Pikachu has his Iron Tail and a lot of physical attacks that he can use in a pinch.
Picture the Iron Tail in his Gigantomax form. It would smash all of Space Godzilla’s crystals with ease and then he would be able to finish the guy off. There isn’t really a defense against that kind of attack.
As for the Hoopa movie, I still don’t see how it wasn’t Pikachu landing that last blow because otherwise what were the differences? It doesn’t add up to me is all I’m saying. What other explanation could there possibly be?
Space Godzilla is also too slow to dodge or anything like that
Pikachu’s physical attacks have not been capable of outputting damage that is at the very least city level.
Pikachu’s dynamax iron tail sure is impressive, but against somebody who is WAY bigger and has tanked attacks similar to max steelspike easily, then its simply not going to do anything to space godzilla, sure it couldporbably destroy a few crystals, but space godzilla’s stronger crystals would be a problem, especially since its been capable of defending him against godzilla’s corona beam
Which could wipe out city blocks easily.
The other explanation is simply that Pikachu barely made an impact on how the finale fight went,
The biggest mvp’s of that fight were
Hoopa
rayquaza
Latios and latias.
All pikachu did was use one thunderbolt to stop an attack, an attack which sure had several legendaries with it but pikachu also had help from legendaries.
And even then this whole fight was to just buy enough time for hoopa unbound to be sealed back into his bottle.
There is no evidence from the movie that i rewatched that even gives pikachu a chance at being comparable to any of the legendaries in the movie.
And keep in mind, space godzilla could take on and win against some of them
Not all of them but some of them.
we had already established that Pikachu was faster, but pikachu simply lacks the AP needed to even beat space godzilla, especially if space godzilla has access to shields and regeneration.
All right, you wan to talk about Pikachu’s speed? Lets talk about his speed! Pikachu routinely moves at such lightning fast speeds that he can’t be detected at all by his opponents or even the humans in the ring. He’s moved so fast that no character in all of Godzilla could catch him. Space G would be running for his life as Pikachu is slamming him from all sides with countless attacks. Trust me, it’s a situation that he does not want to be in. One wrong move and that’s it. Game Over on a galactic proportion.
Now for the attack power, we have to factor in that in most battles Pikachu isn’t really trying to hurt his opponents so he’s holding back tremendously. I actually think that really helps my theory about him doing the heavy lifting in the legendary battles but I know that one’s a little harder to prove. I also didn’t rewatch the whole movie so I still need to do that. Space Godzilla just strikes me as a monster that’s just a step too slow to really handle this. Pikachu just needs to destroy the crystals and keep it moving
The explination you provided had several flaws
One, the legendary that stalemated 3 others was rayquaza, one of the strongest legendaries out there on the battle field, He is stronger then groudon and kyogre and kyurem, as well as latios and latias, along with lugia too, sure in a canonical perspective he cant beat palkia or dialga but still rayquaza is in a better position to be holding his own against these legendaries then pikachu would have, especially if rayquaza is mega evolved which he does in the movie
To make sure i rewatched the movie and saw a lot of evidence that Pikachu really did not make a impact, really it was hoopa and hoopa unbound doing the whole battle with the other legendaries as pawns.
First of all, Pikachu in that entire finale battle only used thunderbolt 1 time.
That was it, that was all he did, sure it was to block an attack from several legendaries, but pikachu was assisted by latios, latias and rayquaza with dragon pulse.
Yet you believe pikachu could do it all on his own?
If pikachu was a strong as you claim him to be you think that he would have taken down one of the legendaries, but no all he did was assist in an attack to block another attack.
Rayquaza was the one shitting on every other legendary in the movie while latios and latias provided aerial assistance and safety to ash and Pikachu.
And in the end, they were only saved when hoopa unbound got sealed back in to his bottle.
The entire time pikachu wasdong nothing except that one thunderbolt assist he did with rayquaza and latios and latias.
There is no evidence provided that gives pikachu any reason to be capable of beating any of the legendaries in that fight.
And hell, way in pokemon journeys pikachu, lucario and cinderace had fought base form mewtwo and got easily destroyed, and mega rayquaza is more stronger then mega mewtwo.
Thanks to better feats to rayquaza of having to deal with the groudon and kyogre, planetary threats.
Dynamax pikachu like is no where near a kaiju like godzilla
A dynamax drednaw is not as big or tall as space godzilla
The tallest gigantamax pokemon centiskorch is 75.0062 meters tall
But space godzilla is 120 meters tall
So 75 meters
120 meters
Thats a 45 meter difference, sure not too insane but it does prove that space godzilla is way taller all of the gigantamax pokemon
Keep in mind i used the tallest gigantamax pokemon
If its a gigantamax pikachu then its even less.
gigantamax pikachu is 21.0 meters tall
so for pikachu it would be a 99 meter difference
So yeah pikachu ain’t doing shit
An iron tail destroying the ground is not impressive when godzilla could do the same
with his crystals for example, check out the other feat i listed previously way up there
And a thunderbolt beating drednaw is not that impressive compared to space godzilla who can absorb electricity, and keep in mind pikachu cant be in dynamax for long
also also, drednaw is part water so a electric attack would do great damage to it.
I hear ya but Pikachu looked real impressive there. I feel like the movie was trying to say that he really was that powerful and it tracks with how well he did in the fight. Still I see what you mean about the Dynamaxing and I suppose it would limit the speed so maybe it’s better to stay as normal size. Then he can blitz Space Godilla on all sides and just land haymaker after haymaker on him. I don’t see Space Godzilla really being able to do much against an opponent of that size and strength. It’s just too much…too much I tell you.
Space Godzilla has regen with the crystals as you mentioned but Pikachu will be destroying those in an instant and making it look easy. One good hit from him and that’s it. The end of the era for Space G because what can he do to possibly land a hit. Pikachu is too strong and too powerful. He just has to keep going and with his volt tackle he can probably shoot right through Space Godzilla and keep going. If that isn’t power then I don’t know what is.
Space Godzilla needs a massive mobility buff to even make this close tbh
What is impressive with pikachu using thunderbolt on an attack while being assisted by 3 other stronger attacks? and why do you think cause pikachu helped block the attack, he instantly is as strong as every legendary there?
By that logic, in an arm wrestling match, if me, and like 3 other strong guys work together to beat the best arm wrestling champion in the world, that makes me equal to him?
It simply does not make sense, its obvious that yes sure i put some work in, but the 3 other strong men put WAY more work and effort in then i would have.
He cant blitz space godzilla, But its not because he is not fast enough, its because he is not strong enough.
To blitz you need speed and strength. Pikachu has speed but not enough strength to knock down the kaiju.
His cells survived a black hole, and city destroying attacks, Meanwhile pikachu at best is like maybe a building to city block.
Your only excuse is that Pikachu is faster
And its not like destroying the crystals that godzilla summons is that big of a deal when he can easily create more.
And yet you claim that Pikachu is stronger but show no evidence that puts him above space godzilla.
Besides space godzilla is way too big, way too durable and way too strong for pikachu,
When pikachu had attacked a dynamax charizard, his iron tail did not do anything
His only advantage was to use a z move, a z move which is super effective on charizard.
And hell a dynamax charizard is not even that big compared to space godzilla.
And since space godzilla can absorb electricity, then that’s a problem, and no, electivire fainting from absorbing said z move cannot compare to space godzilla’s absorption either.
Also also, Pikachu needs a trainer to even use a z move in the first place.
Honestly I thought it was impressive because for years I’ve been telling people that Pikachu is That dude but nobody believed me. So seeing him take down those legendaries was amazing! I like your analogy but lets take it a step further. You’re in a match with 3 really strong guys to beat 4 other really strong guys and you are all even. It’s fair to say that you’re equivalent to the other strong guys since you were able to keep it even. That’s pretty impressive eh? That’s all I be saying here. Trust me bro, it was legendairy!
Pikachu has the speed but for the strength, you have to think about how the repeated hits are going to leave a big mark. No matter how much power Space Godzilla has, at the end of the day he won’t be quite ready for a fight like this. His defenses would go down when Pikachu keeps hitting him and those crystals would really not last very long at all. They would be completely shattered before long. I agree that Pikachu would need to avoid the electric moves though
Calling pikachu that dude is not a valid argument to make when trying to make a claim.
and this “So seeing him take down those legendaries was amazing!”
What legendaries did he take down in that movie? If your talking about latios, regice and tapu koko, those legends dont match the power of even the strongest legends in that movie.
Its not even
Im not a strong guy, and im on a team with 3 storng guys vs 4 other strong guys, if im not a seasoned arm wrestler, we would most likely lose since they have 4 strong guys while my team only has 3 strong guys, and 1 weak me
Pikachu in that fight while yes he is very strong still would need the help of rayquaza, latios and latias to even block the attack. rayquaza was already stronger then 3 of those legendaries that they were fighting with latios and latias providing additional support.
There is no supported evidence that gives pikachu the reason to be capable of fighting any of those legendaries alone.
Hell in pokemon journeys, pikachu had failed to beat lugia, the first time ash and pikachu fought lugia, they did not beat him
The second time they fought lugia ash was world champion at the time, and even then they could not beat lugia, and this time he had goh helping him.
At the end of the battle lugia had saved ash and goh from falling into the ocean after part of the cliff collapsed
And keep in mind lugia is part flying meaning pikachu’s electric attacks would be super effective, and even then they could not beat him
So based on this where pikachu had become much stronger but still failed to beat lugia is proof that pikachu still cannot contend with a legendary pokemon.
Have you ever considered why legendaries like groudon, kyogre, mewtwo, lugia and mew have not been caught? Because there way too strong for any of the champions to even stand a chance
Ok yes eternatus was caught, but they needed help of zacian and zamazenta, the 2 pokemon who are pretty much known for beating eternatus
Repeated hits wont do anything if those hits barely do anything in the first place, if i was constantly smacked with a soft pillow over and over, Im not gonna die because of that. And even if i could die form it it would take a VERY long time.
And godzilla could really just use his telekinesis to just grab ahold before blasting him with corona beam.
And this is a guy who has crystals that are shields, has regeneration and is insanely durable. So even if pikachu was city block level, No matter how many timespikachu hist space godzilla with an iron tail it simply wont be enough.
Wheras space g needs to only hit pikachu a few times before pikachu is fried.
All right that’s fair. Using the dude argument was a bit lazy of me. Let me use some of the feats I posted in a different comment below:
All right lets get some feats in here. First up just a casual lifting feat for hundreds of pounds
Why is that relevant? It ties into my next point:
If Space Godzilla tries to use his crystals to trap Pikachu, the Pokemon can explode with thunder to get out or just lift one and escape.
This next one will take some power scaling:
So Scyther was fast enough to the point where he disappeared but wasn’t fast enough to dodge Mighteyana and Pikachu was fast enough to hit Mighteyana. So another point for Pikachu’s speed. We’ve already gone over his attack power so mix this in and Space G will be completely helpless!
Let me use your pillow example really quick. If you’re really strong and smack someone with the pillow, I guarantee it will do some damage because you’d fall from the force. So get enough falls and your damage would pile up. So imagine Pikachu keeps on slamming into Space G and knocking him over, the fall damage would hurt and what’s more, Pikachu would keep swinging away because that’s his opening. So this just puts Space Godzilla at more and more of a disadvantage the whole time. He just won’t be able to do a whole lot here. It would be the end of the line for him.
When you have a fighter who isn’t fast enough to land the crucial hits but can be injured by the other one then it’s all over. There just isn’t a real comeback for that, not at this point.
Several things wrong with the evidence provided
The first one simply cant compare
If your talking about pikachu being able to lift several other pikachu’s then its still not enough
The average pikachu weighs about 13.2lbs
In the clip the bottom pikachu was lifting about 13 to 15 pikachu’s
with that in mind, that bottom pikachu was lifting about 198lbs (lbs=pounds)
Too bad that a space godzilla weighs 328,000,000 pounds
Not even close, so this strength feat is ass on space godzilla
even professional athletes could lift more then what that one pikachu lifted
Hell a man named Oleksii Novikov could lift 1,185 pounds
The next clip simply does not support the first one anyway
Pikachu breaking through rock is not that impressive and even then breaking the crystals would prove harder
Im gonna assume the rocks used were similar to the crust of the earth
The average rocks density are 3 g/cm3, but crystals are 3.85 gcm3.
That may not be a big difference but then you remember that the crystals space godzilla uses are not normal crystals.
The crystals could shatter several pounds of rocks and buildings. and even if pikachu could break out of the crystals, space g could always create more
Already said how speed is irrelevant, is already said that pikachu took speed, enough with the speed feats, his speed cant help him, and i already said how weak his strength was compared to space g, and hell tbh the strength feat you gave for pikachu was kinda ass,
Now let me rephrase what you said about my pillow statement
“Let me use your pillow example really quick. If you’re really strong and smack someone with the pillow, I guarantee it will do some damage because you’d fall from the force. So get enough falls and your damage would pile up. ”
Falling
So first off you dotn even know what your falling from, if your falling from a pillow smack onto a bed then that aint killing anybody anytime soon
If its from a 70 story building, then yeah its gonna kill someone.
But spacegodzilla here aint falling 70 stories off of a building, to him its onlya measely fall that he will get back up from, (if he even falls at all)
You cant suffer serious injuries from a pillow that are life threatening, And when your opponent is bigger, has a regeneration and is very durable, meanwhile your not as strong to match their durability, you cant win.
If somebody gets smacked with a pillow, the pain will be very little almost non existent and wont last long
Get punched in the face by an average person its gonna hurt more and the pain will last longer
But that depends on how STRONG your punch is,
If somebody is very durable and somebody punches said durable person but is very weak
You end up with the dude barely feeling any pain from contact from that punch.
The point is, spacegodzilla here would barely feel a thing from any of pikachu’s attacks, his durability is far too great, his regen can heal damage and pikachu does not have the fire power needed to cause lasting damage.
Even if pikachu just mindlessly kept hitting space g with iron tail or thunderbolt, it wont work
Space g is too durable and his regen can simply heal damage, meanwhile
You never thought of the idea that space g just has to hit pikachu with a corona beam to seriously injure him
And keep in mind pikachu cant spam moves forever, he has stamina too, he has to dodge and attack just to stay alive while space g just stand there barely using up any of his strength to fight.
Pikachu can only dodge for so long before he stumbles or tires out or simply cant get out of the way in time, and when it does he is in a very bad position to continue fighting.