Bowser is a tough Mario opponent and he has Giga Bowser form, which can cause a lot of damage. That being said, Charizard is simply the more powerful fighter here. He has a decent amount of resistance to fire attacks and Bowser will have a tough time landing any physical attacks due to Charizard’s speed. The Pokemon can afford to stay from afar and throw out his long range attacks for a while. A few hyper beams should do the trick here! Charizard wins.
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Despite my love for Pokémon, I’d have to give this to Bowser.
Don’t forget that due to composite, Charizard does have access to both of his Mega forms though, which does help his attack power.
He can basically burn down large forests with one good attack!
Wow you sure have a lot things of Bowser here but I am afraid to say to you that Charizard may take Bowser’s fire breath Bowser’s physical attacks would hurt Charizard very much and Giga Bowser, Giant Bowser, and Dreamy Bowser takes down Mega Charizard.
I just think Mega Charizard is too much of a bump for the Pokemon. His speed and power increase at an exceptional rate to the point where it’s hard to see anyone really getting close to stop him. How do you defeat such an awesome Pokemon? I do agree that the physical hits from Bowser would deal a lot of damage though
Charizard is a very cool pokemon but he wouldn’t be able to handle Bowser’s forms.
In general it’s just that I place a whole lot of importance on speed. With it you can overcome big differences in power or defense. The key is that you still need enough power to injure the opponent though
Bowser has survived many things that Charizard wouldn´t survive and since Giga Bowser is more stronger and durable than the normal Bowser I can´t even describe what things he could survive and when Giga Bowser hits Mega Charizard it would damage him very much and he would stomp him or crush him.
Giga Bowser is very strong but Charizard is so much faster than it hurts. Additionally in his Mega form he can just keep on speedblitzing and blasting away at Bowser. Bowser’s health would continue to fade and fade until Charizard finally let him go. The speed difference here is massive
Charizard can´t keep up dodging Giga Bowser attacks forever its just a matter a time that Giga Bowser hits Charizard, gets him badly damage and finish him by stomping him. Don´t forget that Giga Bowser is more durable and stronger than normal Bowser and since we saw him do incredible feats of durability and strength it will take Charizard a long time to bring Giga Bowser to the ground and by that time Giga Bowser will give a single powerful punch to Charizard and finish him.
True, but Charizard won’t need to dodge forever. His attacks deal enough damage where a few high speed attacks should finish things off. He just needs to keep flying in while getting up close and personal to deliver the wins. Bowser won’t be able to land a hit in time to stop him. I’m sure he would land a hit at some point of course, but it would be long after he would have already lost the round
Giga Bowser would finish Charizard in just a two or three punches. Since we saw the incredible damage that Bowser´s attacks do I don´t even imagine how strong Giga Bowser´s attacks would be and if he would do a flying slam or bowser bomb it would leave so badly damage and finish him. Charizard would take him a long time to finish Giga Bowser, don´t forget that Giga Bowser increases Bowser´s durability and in that time Giga Bowser will finally hit Charizard, leave him badly damage, and give him the final blow. There is no escape.
I’d say Charizard can definitely avoid the hits though. I can’t stress enough just how fast the guy is especially in his Mega form. What is Bowser really going to be able to do against him? It’s true that his durability went higher but keep in mind that Charizard took out a whole forest in an instant. His punishing blows would take Bowser right out of the match almost immediately. It wouldn’t take a lot of hits to beat Bowser and due to the massive speed difference it’s just hard to see Bowser doing much of anything.
I admit that Charizard´s attacks would make Giga Bowser feel hurt but if he gets to hit him it would leave him more badly damage. Charizard may be fat in air but still its just a matter of time that he gets hit, and Charizard hasn´t show any durability feat. believe me it would take him a while to take Giga Bowser down while Giga Bowser would finish him in three hits or maybe four and if he does a flying slam or Bowser bomb that would leave Charizard in so much trouble that he wouldn´t be able to fight anymore. Giga bowser´s attacks are just super effective against Charizard.
Trust me on this, Charizard’s attacks are still quite powerful. It’s hard to picture Giga Bowser lasting more than a few shots against him. As for the speed, it can’t be stated enough. Charizard would just keep flying rings around Bowser all day. I don’t think there’s a whole lot the King of the Koopas could do to keep up with him and the repeated hits would really take their toll. Before it’s all over Charizard would have proven why he is one of the strongest Pokemon
Charizard won´t go on like this, its just a matter of time Giga Bowser gives a fatal blow to Charizard and if he does a flying slam of Bowser bomb, Charizard won´t be able to go on. Then Bowser will finish him by eating him or stomp him. Giga Bowser is just so strong and durable for Charizard to handle.
While I understand the idea that Bowser could just endure the hits until he lands a lucky blow, that only works when his defense is absolute next to Charizard’s power. That isn’t the case here because Charizard actually is super powerful. His punishing fire attacks will quickly overwhelm Bowser and Giga’s size will work against him here
Giga Bowser´s durability will resist Charizard´s attacks for a long time and believe me when I say that Giga Bowser´s attacks will make him more damage than Charizard´s attacks. If Giga Bowser lands a hit it will leave Charizard very damaged and he will be finished in just a few hits and his flying salm and Bowser bomb will finish him quickly. Bowser gots the Dream stone that would make him a god and wish that Charizard´s dies. End of the game.
Trust me, you’re thinking a little too highly of Giga Bowser’s durability next to Charizard. Mega Charizard took out a whole forest with a single attack. That is absolutely bonkers. What can Bowser hope to do against such an attack? I fear that he would be taken down for the count real quick. We could go into the whole wishing thing but that wouldn’t end well for Bowser just like in the other matches because Charizard has will power
Bowser was able to destroy a whole universe by a single hit. Bowser was able to survive: a supernova, the sun, a star, lava, a black hole, and the Big Bang and since Giga Bowser increases Bowser´s durability and strength just imagine how imense Giga Bowser´s durability would be. He would resist such a punishment fro Charizard and then Bowser will be able to land a hit on Charizard and will finish him in 4 punches and his flying slam and Bowser Bomb does the trick here. What in the world would the will power do anything against Bowser’s wishes?
Bowser’s speed still isn’t good enough to do anything here. He would quickly get overwhelmed and that’s the problem for his character. Try as he might, Bowser wouldn’t be able to land a hit. As for his wishes, those won’t do anything here. Put it this way, whatever he wishes will work on objects and such but not on characters with a good degree of willpower. It’s like how Gambit can blow up objects but not people in most continuities
Charizard won´t finish him fast it will take him very longer. He can´t avoid all the attacks forever its just a matter of time he gets hit. Believe me, charizard´s speed is impressive but it would not make him dodge all the attacks on time. Charizard was hiten even in the air! For example he was hiten by Blastoise´s blast of watre while he was in the air so that means he can´t dodge everything, its just a matter of time he gets hit and when he does he would be badly damaged by Giga Bowser´s powerful fists and he will finish him with his flying slam or bowser bomb. Then Charizard won´t be able to continue. And now the wishes…Charizard. Doesn´t. Have. Willpower! I mean seriously since when we saw Charizard using any willpower or anything? He would be finished by Bowser´s wishes and the wishes can affect people too! For example: Zamasu wished Shenlong that he exchange bodies with Goku and it worked…What difference would this do here?
Charizard’s speed can’t be overstated though. Everything Bowser tries would be promptly shut down. That’s the thing about taking on an opponent as fast as Charizard. There’s no way Bowser could ever hit him. Bowser has enough of a time trying to land hits on Mario who isn’t even close to Charizard in speed. Then when you factor in Mega mode and it’s all over.
So that’s really it for Bowser. The wishes aren’t going to be able to do anything. Remember that even Ash wasn’t able to command Charizard. The Pokemon was literally disobeying his own trainer which takes a tremendous amount of will power and skill. Not just anyone could do that. In fact, very few have ever been able to match such a feat. It’s part of what makes Charizard so impressive
Charizard was hitted even when he is flying. He was hitted by blastoise´s blast of water and a powerful headbutt of Blastoise while in the air so that means he can´t dodge forever. Bowser will be able to hit Charizard. Its just a matter of time he hits him. Charizard faster that Mario? Bull. Mario has used the Star Driver that can travel through galaxies in just seconds! Would Charizard be able to compete with something like that? I really doubt that.
Charizard sure has will to disobey Ash but that doesn´t means he has willpower. He hasn´t use anything of willpower in the Pokemon series or games so that means he can´t avoid Bowser´s wishes. Then he would be finish with just one single wish of Bowser.
Bowser wins.
Right but Blastoise is a lot faster than Bowser. Just take a look at how fast he was moving in the first Pokemon film. Charizard’s also way faster than Mario. You’re talking about him using a ship, Charizard has actually been flying around on his own. Bowser’s wishes won’t be able to do anything against Charizard. Charizard will quickly show him what real strength is
It still counts that Mario is faster than Charizard even if he is using a ship. He used the Star driver that can travel through galaxies in just seconds. No way Charizard will be able to compete with that. Still Charizard can´t avoid all the attacks of Bowser. Its just a matter of time he gets hit, he doesn´t have the speed to be able to dodge everything. So when Bowser hits him Charizard will be very damaged and if Bowser does a drop kick, flying slam, or Bowser bomb then Charizard won´t be able to keep up. bowser will be the one to show him what true strength is.
No that doesn’t count for beans. That would be like saying that I’m faster than Tom Brady because my wheelchair goes up to 7 gears. You have to be able to move on your own speed. Bowser isn’t nearly fast enough to keep up with Charizard and that’s what will doom him here. Try as he might, Bowser will never be able to catch up to a Pokemon like that
It counts, we have to put all of Mario best feats including the Star Driver so it means that Mario is way, way, and way faster than Charizard. Charizard may be fast but he can´t avoid all things forever its just a matter of time he gets hit by Bowser and when he does Bowser will begin to do his strong attacks and it will end Charizard. charizard can´t compete with someone like Bowser.
Star Driver isn’t speed though. I could pilot a spaceship but it wouldn’t make me FTL. Charizard can actually move at those speeds though so he would end up crushing Bowser real quick. He’d show us all what true speed/power is and then act upon it. It’s what makes Charizard such a dangerous opponent
The Star Driver travel through galaxies in just seconds! So that means he is FTL speed. Charizard is nowhere near FTL speed so that means he isn´t faster than Mario. Even though Charizard is fast in air he is still going to be hit by Bowser he can´t escape everything. Bowser´s attacks will do more damage than Charizard´s attacks, plus Bowser will sure be able to dodge some attacks too or even block it too since we saw him do reaction feats like he was able to block Mario´s attacks and dodge Pit´s arrows. Charizard can´t handle Bowser´s power and durability. Bowser is the dangerous opponent here.
Nah, Star Driver doesn’t matter here. It’s too slow and not the actual character. Charizard is way faster than Mario no matter how you slice it. The guy’s a total beast in combat and so Mario or Bowser wouldn’t stand a chance here. Don’t forget the will power as well and that Bowser has gotten clowned by Mario before. He wouldn’t be able to keep up here
Mario was able to dodge attacks while driving the star driver and like I say that the Star Driver is FTL speed then that means Mario´s reaction speeds are in the same level of Sonic´s reaction so Mario is faster than Charizard. Charizard is good in combat but Bowser is just impressive in combat. Mario beats Bowser because he has more impressive feats than Bowser and have fought many powerful foes than Charizard will ever do, for example: Antasma, Culex, Dimentio, The Dark Star, Zeekeeper, Dreamy Bowser, and Grand Star Bowser. lets not forget that Charizard got humiliated by Blastoise who isn´t even close to Bowser´s strength. Bowser will bloody up Charizard and Charizard hasn´t have anything of willpower so he would be defeated by Dreamy Bowser. Charizard can´t keep up with Bowser´s superior strength, durability, and speed (because he escaped a black hole)
Charizard could easily take those guys out. I also wouldn’t call a narrow loss to Blastoise being a humiliation. Also don’t forget that Charizard absolutely obliterated him when they fought in the manga. Mario would not be able to keep up even slightly or Bowser. Both of them have proven time and time again that they aren’t ready to deal with these kinds of threats
Blastoise beated Alain´s Charizard that is like one of the strongest Charizards in pokemon. Mario has dealt with opponents more tougher and powerful than Charizard like: Antasma, Dimentio, Zeekeeper, Dreamy Bowser, Grand Star Bowser, The Dark Star, and Culex. Bowser foughted too opponents better than Charizard like: Dark Bowser, Culex, and Mario. Bowser will crush Charizard, he won´t be able to resist Bowser´s attacks for very long while Bowser can take a punishment from the pokemon dragon. Charizard can´t handle Bowser´s superior strength and durability, also lets not forget that Bowser has many forms that can finish Charizard very quickly like: Giga Bowser, Giant Bowser, Grand Star Bowser, and Dreamy Bowser
None of those guys are stronger than Charizard though. Blastoise is also a really powerful opponent and while the loss is valid it doesn’t mean that Charizard is weak. Keep in mind that Bowser would have been absolutely crushed by Blastoise at any time. His speed just isn’t at nearly a high enough level to handle someone like that
Charizard can´ beat any of those guys he isn´t even close to their power. No way Blastoise can beat Bowser, he would be finished by Bowser´s strongest attacks and Bowser can even be fast too in his shell just like Blastoise. Blastoise doesn´t stand a chance against Bowser´s strength. Charizard can´t beat Bowser too he will still be finished by just a few punches of Bowser and his flying slams, Bowser bombs, and dropkicks will leave Charizard very damaged that it would finish him. Bowser has his Giga from, Giant form, Grand star form, and Dreamy form that it would easily finish both Charizard and Blastoise. I think it wouldn´t be necessary for Bowser to turn Dreamy Bowser because with his Giga form it will be enough to finish Blastoise and Charizard.
Blastoise would win with a quick Hydro Pump. Bowser’s not good against the water and he’s also far too slow to do anything about this Pokemon’s attacks. When you really get to the heart of the matter, Bowser’s issue here is just that he isn’t quite capable enough to take these guys on. He puts up a good effort but at the end of the day he just doesn’t stand a chance. That’s his main problem here and it’s a big one. Dreamy Bowser wouldn’t help because Blastoise can block the wishes too
You are underestimating Bowser. The Hydro Pump won´t finish him quickly. Blastoise will have to do more than that to take Bowser down he is a tough rock that can´t be beaten very quickly. Why you say Bowser isn´t good against water? We have never seen Bowser being weak against water. Bowser´s attacks will do more damage to Blastoise. 3 flying slams or 4 will beat Blastoise easily. Bowser may be slow but he can still dodge the attacks he was able to block Mario´s attacks and dodge Pit´s arrows so that means he can dodge Blastoise attacks. Bowser´ attacks will be super effective against Blastoise. Bowser´s flames can even do great damage to Blastoise and with his Giga form he will finish Blastoise in just a few punches. Bowser can even be fast in his shell too like Blastoise and Blastoise can´t block Bowser´s wishes, he may block attacks but not some kind of posses that can kill him. Bowser will crush Blastoise.
Bowser is slow, I agree with you on that. The problem is that there’s no way around this when you’re in a serious fight. Knuckles will be taking advantage of this and won’t be slowing down for anything. Blastoise can move really quick while he travels in his shell which means even more bad news for Bowser. Bowser will be kept on the defensive the whole time. He can try his flying slams but they wouldn’t have enough speed or impact to make a difference
Bowser is fast too in his shell like Blastoise too and his flying slams would do very amount of damage to Blastoise and with his Giga form Blastoise won´t be able to resist 5 min.
Yeah but Bowser’s shell isn’t in the same ballpark as Blastoise’s. Blastoise can really move like it’s nobody’s business and in his Mega form Blastoise’s abilities all skyrocket as well. No matter how you slice it I don’t see Bowser being able to do much of anything here. He just lacks the speed
But still Bowser can go running around circles on Blastoise with his shell and has his Giga form that would finish Mega Blastoise in just a few attacks.
Bowser’s not fast enough to do any of that. Look, I like Bowser and all but Blastoise is a champion level Pokemon. Bowser isn’t at that weight class yet
Bowser still can be fast in his shell. Bowser will crush Blastoise, his attacks will do more damage than Blastoise and he has his super forms that would end Blastoise quickly.
Bowser’s not fast enough though. Blastoise is faster and stronger than Bowser. Just look at his fight with Charizard. Both of those guys are on a whole different level
Blastoise is not stronger than Bowser and he will never be. We have saw Bowser be able to: Pull an island, pull out a giant carrot, pull a giant statue even when there are a lot of people pulling it too, stop a train with his bare hands, lift and throw a giant cannon ball, and lift a castle and throw it. Blastoise hasn´t even shown to be able to lift a giant rock so Bowser is more, more, and more stronger than Blastoise also Bowser escaped a black hole 4 times. You need to be FTL speed to escape a black hole so Bowser is faster than light. No way Blastoise can compete with something like that! He would be finished by Bowser´s attacks and his forms will end him quickly. The same goes to Charizard he will be too be finished by Bowser´s strongest attacks and if both of them turn into their Mega form thern Bowser will do that too he will turn Giga or Giant and will finish them very quickly. Bowser is in a whole different level than Charizard and Blastoise.
I aint suprised that dreager thinks charizard could beat bowser
At this point I’m used to how biased he can be
For this analysis I’m giving charizard just about everything, every move he can use, his mega evolutions, z moves and dynamax
For bowser we will give him his standard weapons and gear, as well as his giga bowser form, his magic etc pretty much most canon sources from the games
well first off in strength, bowser just has charizard outclassed, he has moved islands before and has tossed castles around
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As for speed, this can go to charizard, while bowser has ran fast enough to burn all his fat. Charizard has evaded lightning
But for durability, Bowser just is too tough for charizard to damage. He has survived his very own castles collapsing onto him and has survived being sucked into multiple black holes, and hell even survived a supernova point blank.
And bare in mind when he turns into giga bowser he is just even more stronger and more durable, plus his shell could pretty much deflect and protect him from all of charizards long ranged attacks, not to mention that bowser also has long ranged attacks too that could match charizards long ranged attacks.
Charizard cant keep a long ranged attack fight forever, especially when bowser has a superior defense.
Charizard low-diffs imo because of the speed. He will be flying rings around Bowser all day and would just keep landing devastating blows the whole time. As strong as Bowser is, he can be stunned with much weaker attacks. He won’t die except for massive blows but Charizard can pretty much keep him in hit stun and knock him out without too much trouble. Then it’s just a matter of burning him with a few different Overheats and keeping Bowser out of the fight.
He doesn’t have enough speed to really land any counter strikes so he’d be on the defensive the whole time and would falter quickly. Those back to back flame attacks would really take a massive toll on his endurance.
Dude agian, what is the point of being faster if your opponent can tank all your attacks and can deal more to you. not to mention bowser could simply adapt to charizard’s speed with his better defense. Besides what proof do you have that has charizard being able to deal enough damage against a lizard who has survived multiple black holes and tanked a supernova point blank.
Bowser is not stupid and has fought foes faster then him before. He could simply just use the classic shell spin to deal with any attack charizard may try, besides his giant form can pretty much overpower charizard quickly, while charizards dynamax forms are still limited and eventually give out.
Your logic is only this, “if the guy is faster he wins” In a fight you don’t just gotta be fast, you also need the strength needed to take him out, and if the opponent has been able to deal damage far better then what you can take, then that’s wraps
I wanna see proof of charizard being able to damage bowser that’s far above a black hole and supernova.
Speed is usually the deciding factor in a fight so that’s true but I agree that it should not be the only consideration. Thing is, Bowser just doesn’t look super impressive half the time. DK was possibly about to beat him in Super Smash and King Dedede won easily. Bowser isn’t very fast ordinarily and his strength can be good but is rarely as impressive as in those moments.
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Charizard took on a legendary Pokemon and landed some good hits. His attack power is considerably better than most Pokemon fighters.
He also took on a direct headbut and kept it moving. Then you have to factor in his Mega form and Gigantomax abilities as well. Charizard can hit with attacks that are absolutely massive and then there’s no real way to get around him. Bowser would be overwhelmed by physical power and speed without any way to really address the main issues here. His power won’t help when he’s not fast enough to make a difference and the shell spin doesn’t have enough range
“Charizard low-diffs imo because of the speed. He will be flying rings around Bowser all day and would just keep landing devastating blows the whole time. As strong as Bowser is, he can be stunned with much weaker attacks. He won’t die except for massive blows but Charizard can pretty much keep him in hit stun and knock him out without too much trouble. Then it’s just a matter of burning him with a few different Overheats and keeping Bowser out of the fight.”
Scans of him landing blows that are comparable to what Bowser’s tanked please. They need to be on the level of what Wat showed with an castle collapsing on Bowser at bare minimum to be taken seriously whatsoever. Anything less than that will be dismissed immediately regardless of Charizard’s speed.
“He doesn’t have enough speed to really land any counter strikes so he’d be on the defensive the whole time and would falter quickly. Those back to back flame attacks would really take a massive toll on his endurance.”
Same as the above paragraph. This isn’t saying anything new. You make the same speed argument again and again on multiple comment sections including some of our discussions. And time and time against they’re rebutted and debunked easily. Do better.
Charizard puts his flames across the whole battlefield
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Here he flies up a waterfall against the current while being a fire type which is tremendous
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Dodged a point blank Iron Tail!
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Massive tornado that even pushed Pikachu back so that’s like a natural disaster level
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Ultimate attack
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I’d say all of this would immediately start to crisp Bowser and take him down for the count.
So with those level of attacks then Bowser should really be down for the count. Charizard just uses his speed to overpower Bowser at every edge. I agree that speed as an argument by itself isn’t enough but with a good amount of power then you’re in business
“Charizard puts his flames across the whole battlefield”
Not even close to the miniscule benchmark of the castle feat. You cannot seriously argue that this is even a decent fraction of that sort of crushing weight dropping on Bowser. It doesn’t even actually cover the whole battlefield, it covers some of it in waves.
“Here he flies up a waterfall against the current while being a fire type which is tremendous”
Has nothing to do with Bowser’s durability so irrelevant.
“Dodged a point blank Iron Tail!”
Has nothing to do with Bowser’s durability so irrelevant.
“Massive tornado that even pushed Pikachu back so that’s like a natural disaster level”
You could maybe justify this as on the level of the castle feat if you squint your eyes a lot. Even if it does you would then have to justify this being on the level of literal black holes and a supernova. Obviously this is not on that level.
“Ultimate attack”
Not on the level of the castle feat, especially since this was specifically used against a water flying Pokemon. And what do both of these types have in common? Oh yeah, they’re both weak to electric type moves. So it’s a Pokemon that’s extremely weak to this specific type of move, and even then it wasn’t knocked out. So i’m not liking the chances it does all that much to Bowser.
“I’d say all of this would immediately start to crisp Bowser and take him down for the count.
So with those level of attacks then Bowser should really be down for the count. Charizard just uses his speed to overpower Bowser at every edge. I agree that speed as an argument by itself isn’t enough but with a good amount of power then you’re in business”
With this level of attacks Bowser is just fine. Speed is irrelevant because none of them are remotely capable of competing with what Bowser can tank, two of these scans aren’t relevant to attack power, and are all just extremely unimpressive.
I get what you’re saying here but Bowser isn’t super strong like that. He often gets hurt by normal punches and backhands. The castle feat is good but shows that it must not have weighed a whole lot for a castle. Charizard is someone who consistently gets stronger and stronger. His attacks are concentrated too so I don’t see what Bowser could do against them. he would quickly be on the defensive here and be unsure of what to do. He can’t even track Charizard with his eyes.
Charizard would be using his seismic toss and a whole host of other techniques to keep on gaining the advantage here. Try as he might, Bowser wouldn’t be able to close the distance. I just finished beating the new Rabbids game and Bowser was summarily defeated by a random member of the 3 elites. Charizard would do him in the same way but with speed attacks and going long range. Bowser’s main problem here is speed. The defense and attack power aren’t enough to compensate
Allow me to debunk it all
First off charizard spreading fire across an entire stadium does not prove much, since for one bowser has done it too
and even then bowser has survived being in lava several times so i highly doubt charizards fire would do much.
Im not gonna take charizard surviving in water seriously when bowser has also done the same and that it serves no purpose to how strong he is.
Dodging a point blank iron tail ain’t that impressive especially since pikachu was not moving that fast
dynamax and dynamax charizard are not as big as super bowser or giant bowser
None of the feats you have shown me can stack up to a black hole or supernova
Bowser died there though. He only came back to life when Rosalina reset reality. Otherwise that was about to be curtains for the guy for good.
Now I do acknowledge that his durability is absolutely insane. Taking this guy down will not even be remotely easy but at the same time it can be done. Just think about this for a sec, Charizard has gone up against legendaries and ultimate fighters. Can Bowser say the same. No offense to Mario because I like the guy but he’s not super strong like that.
Wrong. considering the fact that mario had also survived the supernova after it had exploded, well then still bowser could still be capable of surviving a supernova.
and keep in mind the rosolina reset came in after the supernova had exploded
And even EVEN then, what points do you have that lead me to believe that charizard could survive the supernova, or the black hole?
In which bowser DEFINITELY could survive.
Most legendaries from pokemon don’t quite stack up to black hole level or supernova level.
Articuno is no where near a black hole level attack nor a supernova attack.
not to mention the fact that charizard has the type advantage against articuno.
Now even if we count pokemon orgins where mega charizard x could beat mewtwo, though tbh the mewtwo we see in the original pokemon anime is much stronger, and we assume mewtwo could use psystrike to destroy a country from pokken tournament, in its mega form and the fact that it was shadow mewtwo, still, the black hole feat and the supernova feat both outclass it.
and that was a really REALLy generous highball that makes 0 sense.
Now I want to underscore that I am a big Mario fan first. Mario is That dude. Okay so for Mario surviving, he had Rosalina whip up one of her barriers. Mario is routinely injured by normal punches and blows, he’s not tanking a supernova. Bowser couldn’t either. You’d need someone like Naruto for a feat like that.
Bowser is always getting wrecked by street level attacks. I think what we’re missing here is the powers of magic and Bowser certainly used it on his side in order to stay in the winning side. It’s what he does and we just have to be careful not to overcalc him as a result. Bowser is powerful but he’s not ultra powerful like that. He would very quickly begin to crumble under the pressure at that point. It’s just how it is.
Pokemon fighters would quickly beat Bowser though. Just look at the speed advantage they have. They could just pop in a few energy blasts and call it a day. I don’t see what Bowser could do against that.
What barrier do we see when the supernova explosion happens?
The whole universe is being sucked into a giant as black hole thing about to be destroyed with Mario still there and alive. only then does rosalina step in and save everyone.
And fucking no, naruto cannot tank a supernova.
and no bowser is fighting a dude who has crazy super strength, whereas charizard WITH HIS DYNAMAX FORM, at best could destroy a building. maybe a city block.
and Mario is a dude who has kicked around castle sized buildings before.
and I’m being literal when i say he kicked around castle sized buildings before.
Speed is not gonna matter if your opponent has better strength, durability and better defense then you, just cause your faster does not mean you will come out on top.
and bowser, while having the speed to give, just lacks the strength and durability needed to win.
I mean I don’t see the barrier but it must have been there somehow. Otherwise how could anyone survive that? It’s just way above anything that any character within the verse could possibly tank. These guys are typically more like street level opponents, not massive world enders like this. It just wouldn’t make sense with what we know about them.
Naruto tanking a supernova would be tricky for sure. Maybe if he had his Rasengan in front to block part of the blast or something then it could work. Bowser is strong to be sure but he’s not touching Charizard. First you have to consider the massive speed difference here. Bowser isn’t showing him any attacks that can’t be dodged so Bowser will be peppering him with moves here. Each blast will deal some damage and eventually that will be the game. Once you have been hit enough times then you are taken down.
Bowser has been beaten by guys like King Dedede before so what can he possibly do against someone like Charizard who is much more skilled and has more attack options
How did anyone survive that?
Cause they survived, its Mario after all
Besides the evidence of Mario being able to tank black holes and supernova’s are more accounted for then this imaginary barrier that you think is there.
Just cause you see Mario and luigi as just 2 guys who had a plumbing job who can jump high and have crazy super strength, does not mean that they cant pull off crazy feats like black hole level durability.
After all you cant explain the black hole level feat
Stop making up random idea’s that you think naruto could do to survive a supernova, i highly doubt that him using rasengans to block a star level attack is gonna work.
When has naruto every used rasengan as a shield anyway?
If anything it would backfire completely since the rasengan has exploded or more commonly managed to damage naruto before.
I know that charizard is faster, that i know, but speed is not gonna get you anywhere if you lack the power needed to win, especially if the person your fighting is WAY stronger then you, much more durable and has a superior defense.
You keep phrasing your words like its a game, What proof have you shown that charizard could do enough damage to match that of a black hole?
When at best he has shown possible city block levels of destruction
Why the hell is king dedede being brought up? He is not apart of the Mario games.
If your referring to brawl then its not canon, and instead your being completely stupid about where you should be looking for evidence.
Brawl is just a fun crossover game between different franchises so that you can play as your favorite characters to fight other characters, Brawl’s storyline is not canon to the actual sources of the characters actual games.
Besides using king Dedede is a bad example
When he has ALSO survived a black hole and has been able to match kirby, the dude who can crack a planet in half with one punch.
Fair but like you said, it’s Mario. So what’s to stop that from being gameplay mechanics or toon force? It’s so far above everything else that he has done that it just feel a bit sketchy. Mario using a barrier makes a lot of sense because otherwise he shouldn’t be getting knocked around by basic attacks all the time. It’s not like he was using a super form either, he was in base mode the whole time so it’s not making any sense to me. Like explain how Mario didn’t die to that when his durability is so much lower.
Naruto is a being of near infinite strength. He’s used his Rasengan as a shield sometimes like when he blocked Sasuke’s Chidori with it. I’d say that it would be a fantastic shield if anything because it’s a ball of pure chakra so touching it at all is not a good idea. Characters can quickly find themselves being absolutely obliterated if they come at it the wrong way.
Not sure how I’m phrasing the words like a game but I’ll try to avoid that. I’m just saying that Charizard’s raw power and speed are way above anything we’ve seen Bowser dish out. Bowser won’t be fast enough to dodge the attacks or durable enough to endure them. He’s been taken down many times by Mario before and we’re not saying that Mario has crazy amounts of attack power right?
Brawl was good at power scaling though which is why I bring it up. They got just about everything right in terms of the narrative which I thought was very impressive. Most titles absolutely could not pull that off
It happend in a cutscene, not through gameplay, so it cant be a gameplay mechanic.
And no Mario does not possess toon force. Stop thinking that every character who survives something that you think they should not have survived has toon force.
Basic attacks? He is dealing with a whole army, who has a leader capable of hauling around an island, and can grow to the size of the castle he has.
I don’t get what you mean by his durability being much lower, every attack he has sustained has not once put a scratch on him.
Are you talking about when he gets hit by a random goomba and he suddenly loses , congrats you found the ACTUAL gameplay mechanic that’s meant to make the Mario games challenging.
How are you gonna say naruto is near infinite strength, but then make statements on how infinity does not exist in fiction when i bring up ger’s rtz or infinite worlds?
Even then naruto is not near infinite strength, He still has limited chakra and while yes he is strong he is still far from infinite strength.
He did not use the rasengan as a shield against chidori
its just one attack colliding into another attack
But we are. Mario’s attack power is insane,
He has kicked a castle into the air
https://gfycat.com/thickdeepcats
and another time he even sends it collapsing down
https://gfycat.com/selfreliantblankgosling
Now you may think, but the castles are almost the same size as Mario.
Its a cutscene and the castle sprite needed to fit the build.
In case your still not pleased
He has kicked and sent flying a giant petey piranha alien
https://gfycat.com/thirstywiltedcuscus
He is then also able to send bowser flying by spinning
https://gfycat.com/dazzlingacrobaticcornsnake
So yeah that’s all cool but now i have more feats to give bowser
Bowser in super Mario galaxy had tanked his galaxy reactor exploding
which was stated to threaten the very fabric of the universe
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-503ef135109c67ad002c9ec8cfb841b0-pjlq
Its even called a universal threat
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9834ba50a9820bab329c336775cbda01-pjlq
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb1760093773d35684e134fa6ddf5a6e-pjlq
And finally, Brawl is not canon, and its not good at power scaling either.
Like for some fucking reason pikachu cant escape a glass prison but yet is able to damage ridley and send him down to the ground.
Then for some fucking reason fox is able to fight rayquaza and win.
and then if you REALLY THINK BRAWL IS ACCURATE
Charizard loses to ivysaur, squirtle and lucas
and then later pokemon trainer and lucas almost get owned by a rhynocoris robot after it had been weakened by like,meta knight and marth
Brawl is not canon and it completely either nerfs or buss characters.
The subspace story was good and tbh its probably better then the story we got in ultimate, but its still not accurate as to what their individual games depict them in, bowser is seen as someone getting pushed around because he is meant to be a villain in the story
Subspace was amazing but I agree that some things were iffy. I don’t think Charizard losing to Lucas and friends is one of them though. Pokemon Trainer is a great protag and his Squirtle was likely at a super high level.
I can buy into Pikachu being trapped since that jar was made to contain him and he’s way more powerful than Ridley.
Fox taking down Rayquaza is definitely more on the iffy side, I’d lean on the Pokemon there. But like you said we have to go by portrayal here and Bowser is never portrayed as a very fast, durable, or powerful villain. He’s meant to be your classic fairy tale kind of villain who is reasonably strong but not super strong. Like he can dish out the blows but he can’t really take them. He would just keep on getting overwhelmed if he fought someone way stronger.
Charizard would just fly rings around him and pepper him with dragon claws. What is Bowser going to do against that? He gets hurt by punches from Mario. Claws from a champion level Pokemon would obliterate him. That’s not even counting Mega Charizard at which point things get real spicy. There is no escape there!