Suggested by Anonymous Isshiki Otsutsuki is a powerful foe and one of the strongest in all of Naruto without a doubt. That said, he definitely isn’t ready to deal with someone on this level. Naruto has his various super modes such as S06 and Baryon which will make quick work out of Isshiki. At this point in time it’s hard to see anyone defeating Naruto at his peak. The guy is just too crazy strong! Even Isshiki finally takes a loss here. Naruto wins.
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Im sorry dude but if naruto at his full power with so6p and kurama chakra mode cant beat isshiki with the assistance of sasuke, idk where you get off saying he can win on his own.
Now I know what your gonna say
What about baryon mode?
Well yes baryon mode naruto can definitely beat isshiki.
The problem is, naruto’s baryon mode has a time limit, sure isshiki cant beat baryon mode naruto, but he certainly can outlast it.
Isshiki’s life span from being drained by baryon mode did not even drop by a full day, and isshiki only had a couple hours left to live.
Hell in the fight, baryon mode finally wore out and isshiki gained the upper hand again by completely pinning naruto to the ground.
In a 1v1 scenario isshiki would have killed him, he did not in the anime and manga because he was trying to use naruto’s life as a means to draw out kawaki so he could steal his body.
And keep in mind naruto in baryon mode was fighting a weak and dying isshiki, not his prime, in his prime, there’s a chance isshiki could be on top, but that’s just a theory.
So is baryon mode much stronger and faster then isshiki? Yes (at least when isshiki is dying)
Can it last long enough for naruto to kill him? No
And i forgot to mention this
No baryon mode naruto cannot drop a giant rasengan on isshiki to kill him.
For one kurama states that for naruto to even last in baryon mode
He cant exert a huge amount of his chakra at once, otherwise the form runs out and kurama dies.
The whole point for baryon mode is to maintain the transformations balance.
So that way the form can last longer, which is why naruto only used taijutsu attacks coupled with a rasangan at the end, but notice that after the rasengan, naruto starts to weaken. A simple rasengan like that already caused him to stumble and weaken, so imagine what would happen if naruto tried using a bigger one.
Its likely the transformation would run out before naruto could even charge up the rasengan or even hit isshiki with it.
Even then there’s also the possibility that isshiki would survive the attack. and its even more likely in isshiki’s prime where he is not dying.
I agree with all of those points. Naruto didn’t really overpower Isshiki all that much during their battle (in the manga at least). Sure, Isshiki was coughing up blood, but he didn’t really take enough damage to make him lose consciousness, either. Another decent point to make is that Isshiki even stated that the problem was not getting hit by the punches, but because it was making his lifespan run-out faster than normal. He knew that his time was limited and he had to find Kawaki fast in order to revive again. Another good point to make is that Isshiki was kinda nerfed for the sake of the plot… for example, why did he never, not even ONCE, use his shrinking ability during that battle? He spammed the heck out of it during his fight with Naruto and Sasuke the first time, in a weaker vessel / body at that. Yet, when Naruto had enough power to make him cough up blood, Isshiki never decides to use it? It didn’t make much sense. For that matter, why didn’t he just send Naruto back to that weird dimension of his? Again, he was nerfed by the writer. If Isshiki was at full-power and wasn’t held back by plot, then he would probably stomp Naruto pretty easily. Not that it would be an easy fight, but it would definitely go in Isshiki’s favor.
I think he didn’t use the hax because Baryon was too powerful. Naruto wouldn’t let himself be sent to another dimension this time and going small is risky since Naruto could stomp on him. He has to try and really balance the two things but it would not be easy. Naruto also has a lot more experience and battle tactics than Isshiki which becomes key here as well.
The solo king beats both of them. Itachi blitzes Baryon Mode and then Isshiki humbly admits defeat.
Itachi is pretty good but I don’t think he has the skills to pull that off
If this is Isshiki with a healthy body (Kawaki) or is in his prime in general, then this Isshiki is probably stronger than the one Naruto fought. Using his power in Jigen’s body was tearing him apart and causing his abdomen to crack, then he revived but still had very little time left. I imagine Isshiki in his prime has more than enough stamina and power to, at worst, outlast Baryon Mode. If Baryon Mode has no time limit, and if Naruto can use all of his techniques, then Naruto wins with high difficulty.
Isshiki is strong for sure but like you said Naruto has a lot of combat experience and he has fought stronger opponents before. He should still be able to crush Isshiki with pure power thanks to Baryon Mode. Imagine that form at full strength? Game over Isshiki!
Ight time to debunk this all
First off I don’t think isshiki shrinking was really a factor, since baryon mode naruto could react to the small chakra rods, its likely it could find small isshiki anyway.
Also it was stated that isshiki actually came to earth nearly 1000 years ago, so isshiki has lived way more then naruto, so I don’t think combat experience is a factor either.
The main point, is that isshiki cannot beat or out speed or in general beat baryon mode, however, due to baryon mode’s limited time, naruto lost the fight.
Also I already said,
Naruto cant just use his full power and go all out with baryon mode, it must maintain a balance, otherwise the form runs out and naruto loses kurama.
Naruto cant just drop a giant rasengan like he did with delta, because for one, a normal rasengan already caused naruto to weaken, giving isshiki the upper hand, so a rasengan much bigger would cause even worse problems.
So right now, isshiki can beat naruto even with baryon mode
But remember this is only because of baryon mode’s limited time
other factors go into play here like if isshiki was in his prime and not dying.
If naruto could use baryon mode without a time limit, then no doubt he could beat a weak and dying isshiki, prime isshiki, its still up for debate.
Maybe Baryon Mode is fast enough to find Isshiki in his shrunken state, maybe. I’m not totally convinced that he could, given that he had to ask Sasuke where he was when they fought together the first time. Sasuke by this point is nothing short of a master in terms of using his Sharingan, something that Naruto doesn’t have. I guess his Sage Mode sensing abilities make up for it, but I still find it hard to believe that a raw stat boost from Baryon Mode is enough to match and even exceed the analytical / predictive abilities of the Sharingan.
On the other hand, Sasuke did admit that Baryon Mode was on another level compared to Naruto’s previous forms while battling Isshiki.
One other point, people really, and I mean REALLY, overhype is how well Naruto kept up with Isshiki. Sure, they traded a few blows and even Isshiki was somewhat surprised by Naruto’s sudden increase in strength, but it wasn’t the force behind the attacks that was the problem at all. It was how his timer was slowly withering away from a few hours down to a few minutes. And yeah, I agree that Naruto can already beat the black rod spam by simply grabbing them out of the air, but I still think that Isshiki could use his shrinking ability to avoid a rasengan, or even just absorb it with his Karma seal.
Well, baryon mode’s reaction and speed were so fast that not even sasuke himself could track him with his Sharingan anyway, plus during the fight before baryon mode naruto, The cubes that isshiki had could disrupt sensory capabilities, including those of the sharingan, basically they prevent sasuke from reading chakra patterns, so that’s probably why sasuke could not find isshiki in his shrunken state, However apparently baryon mode has no trouble with sensing isshiki’s shrunken chakra rods even with the cubes being around.
Isshiki did try to use a cube to crush naruto in the fight against baryon mode, but naruto just chucked that way.
Now for isshiki’s absorption that’s a good point, not sure why he did not choose to use it against baryon mode naruto, I guess the reason why because naruto only used taijutsu attacks more often and only used a rasengan at the end, my guess was that isshiki was not prepared for it.
BUT I do have a theory as to why isshiki never used his shrinking or absorption, I think its due to him slowly dying off, its kinda the only explanation as to why he failed to even try any of this and just stuck to chucking cubes at naruto and spamming chakra rods at him.
If that’s not the case then we can only chuck it up to for the boruto series having a stupid written story and that it was all plot armour.
So would isshiki, not nerfed and not dying can beat baryon mode naruto?
Maybe, but again we really did not get to see much of baryon mode to begin with, like if there was any way to master the form even though that sounds impossible since its just naruto and kurama’s chakra burning away to fuel the form.
Though currently, isshiki not dying and not nerfed, he could beat baryon mode naruto, though I believe this, mostly because of baryon modes time limit. If baryon mode does return, and we see naruto has PROBABLY mastered the form even though that should be impossible, after all its pretty much a suicide form for kurama. Then I can believe he could beat isshiki.
Its kinda sad how a hyped up form ended up being relatively useless if the opponent is able to live for such a long time, baryon mode naruto’s life span drain did not even take a full day from isshiki.
This would easily be one of the most deadliest forms in all of shonen if it was not for its dumb time limit that would cost kurama’s life.
Okay but one of the big things is that Naruto was so weakened by the time he went into Baryon mode because he had been getting kicked around the whole time. If Kurama had told him earlier then I think it’s a completely different fight. I’d be willing to bet the time limit would be significantly longer to the point of barely being relevant. Naruto would just be landing thousands of blows on Isshiki and would keep on shaving away his life force even quicker. The physical difference between them was crazy so as long as Naruto gets serious from the jump and doesn’t hold back then he should be good.
Most of Isshiki’s abilities just don’t work at this point and so he has to stand there and try to endure the blows but it’s way easier said than done. I see him faltering really quick in the end before the time limit goes out
Yes naruto had been weakned but when he entered baryon mode he was not injured.
Remember, kurama’s chakra can heal naruto, that’s why naruto could recover from being stabbed by isshiki’s chakra rods way easier then sasuke could.
Kurama had not told naruto about it earlier because of the cost that naruto or himself would die. So when he got the chance to talk to naruto, he let him make the decision.
Baryon mode drains out naruto and kurama’s chakra until either ones chakra ran
out. The battle before baryon mode had not lasted that long, so it would not make a difference if naruto had small chunks of time added.
As for isshiki’s abilities remember we don’t know why he did not use every ability he had,4 guesses are either isshiki was dying and that he was slowly losing his abilities, this is probably the most unlikely one. another is stupid plot and also that it would not change anything.
Hell remember in the actual fight baryon mode naruto gets pinned down, isshiki could have killed him right there but instead used naruto’s life as a way to draw out kawaki so that he could steal his body
If this was a healthy isshiki with more then 1 day to live. He would win.
Baryon mode naruto is way stronger and faster then isshiki( a dying one at least, a prime and healthy one is debatable though naruto might be a bit more stronger and faster)
But due to baryon modes time limit and exhausting stamina drawback, its the reason why isshiki would win.
I feel like he still kept the damage in there to some extent but I can buy into it if we say it was a full recharge. The drainage is definitely intense to be sure but Naruto is just That dude. He will keep fighting to the last man even if he is in pain. It’s not easy to do that’s for sure but that’s just who he is. Naruto has only continued to get stronger though so with current Baryon mode that should also open the floodgates. I think his stats should still be above Isshiki’s so even with a time limit he could destroy him before he loses the form
Idk if naruto is that dude anymore because the recent chapters of boruto are putting him to shame, dude gets flung by his own kid while in sage mode and his adopted kid transports him and his wife into an alternate dimension easily.
Not sure why you say baryon mode can win against isshiki still when for one naruto still ends up losing in both the manga and anime
and the fact that isshiki is dying and not even trying to kill naruto by then but find kawaki and steal his body.
Now of course baryon mode naruto is stronger and faster then dying isshiki, healthy isshiki is a maybe but i think baryon mode naruto is still stronger and faster by a slight bit. but due to the time limit, he is gonna lose when he cant access full power with baryon mode due to the tight restrictions explained by kurama.
It definitely is getting rough for Naruto there but I’m convinced that it’s just a slump. He will be back and even better than ever! He’s just not someone that you can keep down like that. I have to believe in him right to the end because Naruto is basically the face of heroism despite adversity! No matter what you can always count on my boy Naruto. Always (T_T)
The reason I still say Baryon wins is because he was smacking Isshiki around like it was easy! If he didn’t run out of juice at the end then he would have won. You mention Isshiki dying but lets not forget that Naruto was on death’s door as well. He just barely made it to the end and I don’t think Baryon mode fully recovered him
It’s been a whole year, and so far, naruto has done NOTHING, it was just boruto improving, in fighting i mean, boruto manga’s kinda ehh…
Not to mention himawari is now the jinchuriki of the new born baby kurama, so naruto ain’t getting him back, which means no baryon mode improvements for him, unless himawari somehow master’s it in the future.
I already mentioned that he was slapping around a dying isshiki, a prime one may cause him more trouble, but again, it’s debatable.
Baryon mode’s juice is the biggest weakness of baryon mode, it’s juice runs out too fast and doesn’t have enough of it to keep it up for long, that’s why naruto ends up losing. Naruto was most likely just injured after being stabbed and crushed by a cube, there was no indication to say he was about to die if he didn’t use baryon mode, only kurama saying that baryon mode might kill them and that it may be there only chance at victory.