Superman vs Luffy


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This is a tribute to Superman Unbound. Superman is pretty powerful, but he doesn’t have the raw power needed to take on a rubber man like Luffy. Luffy has his Gear 2 and his speed is also pretty intense. This is one match that I don’t think he can win. Superman falls down the ranks with this loss, but he’ll be back. Luffy wins.

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138 thoughts on “Superman vs Luffy

  1. Superman is easily faster and stronger than luffy. Superman also has the advantage in long range because of his heat vision. Luffy may be able to tank supermans punches and possibly hurt superman, He won’t be able to survive giant lasers hotter than the sun, or superman just flying into space where luffy can’t get to or survive.

    • I don’t agree on the speed angle. Superman’s maybe around Luffy level in power, but I don’t think that he could keep up with him. Luffy’s Haki helps to even the long range playing field and I’m sure that his attacks would quickly knock the wind out of Superman. Superman could fly to space, but he can’t stay there forever. If you’re saying that Luffy would die first, eh…I don’t think it would come to that. Moreover, Luffy could just stretch out and grab Superman before he tried anything like that thanks to the speed advantage

  2. Speed advantage? Luffy is, at most, massively hypersonic to relativistic speed. But superman is FTL. He can easily speed blitz luffy.

    • I’d say that Luffy is definitely FTL at this point and his big fight against Lucci basically proved that fact. Superman’s fast, but he has a harder time changing directions once he’s moving quickly and Luffy can take advantage of that

  3. His fight with lucci proved nothing. Both luffy and lucci are massively hypersonic, but nowhere near light speed. Superman can easily shatter planets with a single punch and can travel from earth to the sun in seconds. Luffy is nowhere near that level of raw speed and strength. And if luffy were to try and grab superman, he can just vaporize his hands with his heat vision which is hotter than the sun.

    • I would argue that both combatants are lightspeed. Superman can definitely accomplish those feats, but he wouldn’t have time to try and blast Luffy. Luffy is just too quick and he would have already thrown Superman back into the ground. Luffy’s speed and durability are insane and his strength is at a high enough level to injure Superman very quickly. I dunno, Luffy seems to have this round

  4. If you can argue that luffy is both light speed and has greater durability than superman, then where is your evidence?

    • Evidence….that’s definitely the tough part. I suppose that I could grab some of Luffy’s feats from CP9, but it’s tricky. How to prove that he’s more durable than Superman. Well, the lightspeed part should be easy. His fight against Kuma also showed this and Kizaru. I should have the feats up shortly

  5. Putting aside that you are clearly a weeaboo, you are an awful debater.
    This character wins because he is clearly stronger because I said so. I doubt that you understand the concept of lightspeed and the fact that while you are moving that fast you can’t be observed by a naked eye. For someone who brags of finding ”feats within feats” you show no evidence of any of them.
    Where is it mentioned that he moves in lightspeed? Don’t show me a panel where he moves fast, show me the exact measurement. Superman is faster than the speed of light, he has been measured in the comics and that has been stated multiple times. It is one of his greatest feats. So far, you provide no feats except assumptions that are, in debate, worth jack.
    Regarding durability, here are Superman’s feats: he took a point blak supernova to the face and remained in one piece(pun intended), for someone who talked about Superman being ”beaten by the Elite” it is funny that you forgot to mention the power of the blast he took on the moon and remained completely unscratched, he took the full force of two planets colliding on top of him and remained unscratched, he held a black hole in his hand and he takes omega beams that erase you completely without them having any effect on him. And how is this? Because not only is Superman absurdly powerful, but the is near impervious to harm. There are only two things that can harm him: magic and kryptonite, and before you spew nonsense again, devil fruit IS NOT MAGIC.
    Now, unless you claim that each Luffy’s punch is stronger that a supernova, note that a single punch that powerful would obliterate the planet, EVEN IF you don’t strike the ground. It is basic physics, though I am starting to doubt that you have even passed elementary school. Beside, then one shot characters would have to be tougher than the multitude of planets to endure such hits.
    Superman does not have the raw power? Superman is one of the most powerful characters in all fiction. There are only a handful more powerful characters than him, but those are different kind of powerful. He can move planets around, he can punch a planet in half, phase through all attacks, warp reality with his static electricity and even obliterate a planet with his heath vision. All of these are from the panels in the comics and all of them are canon. NOT TO MENTION THAT IT IS MEASURED COMIC FACT that Superman can lift three Earths without breaking a sweat.New 52 Superman has the ”Super flare” which unleashes a supernova blast from his eyes. When measuring power, if our sun would go into supernova, all planets to Jupiter would be completely destroyed, but no, Luffy can obviously take that.
    You fail as a debater. Do your research next time.
    And ”I disagreee because I think…I don’t thing that he can…I am quite sure” aka your opinions on how powerful some characters are are worth JACK unless you can provide direct evidence, something that I have porivded for you here and will gladly insert he comic panels and even more feats. All of you vs Superman matchups failed so much that it is laughable, but for a weeaboo, it is understandable that you must give anime an upper hand, even if it means inventing feats on the spot.

    • Please understand! Debates are not won through insults, but through feats. Luffy can win this thanks to his Devil Fruit. One punch from his rubber fist and it’s game set and match for Superman.

      That video nullifies all of your Superman arguments. I always look at fights objectively and that’s why Luffy wins this round. Massively FTL and all that jazz….

      • Holy stuff you really are cheap…yes, this video does prove a lot in a fight where Superman’s opponent does not have kryptonite. Very objective.

      • Notice that Batman flipped him without even needing the Kryptonite. I think Superman’s “speed feats” have just been exposed.

      • Your ignorance knowns now bounds, weeaboo boy.

        If you are going to pull non canon sources, then, I’ll give you actual comic book sources.

        THOUSAND TIMES FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT!

      • Strong enough to move several planets

        Can cut a planet in half with heath vision and can go through Earth 5000 times in a second.

      • Superman is definitely the strongest comic book character of all time. Those feats should not be underestimated or downplayed. He is the ultimate hero!

      • He does not even have to get into a melee fight. Flies to space and destroys the planet in an instant.

      • I don’t even need to argue anymore xD Wasted my time here.

        Sorry, but after googling, I see that you are well known as Lord Ignorant on several pages and forums. Guess my assumptions were right. 🙂

        Say hi to your waifu,

        goodbye

      • really? you use the animated series and not the comics?,sorry but this animated series are not canon and is complety irrelevant

      • The animated series isn’t canon but it is relevant since it is Superman’s most powerful portrayal out of all his incarnations. The rest just can’t hold a candle to it

      • grab superman in gear 4?hahahahaha good joke man,he defeats darkseid I do not see why that with luffy would be different

      • Luffy is a lot faster and more brutal than Darkseid though. We’ve seen Darkseid take damage from Batman and Luffy is in a whole different league

      • I’m a huge DC fan so I’ve read a ton of the comics. That’s why I know that Superman isn’t as tough as he would have us believe. Darkseid is tough for sure though so I wouldn’t argue against that

      • You really do not know much about superman, the comic book superman is his most powerful (and canon) cartoons are not relevant for the simple fact that they are not canon, so they do not deserve to be considered

      • Superman’s my favorite comic book character. I’m a Huge expert on him and can say with confidence that he is at his best in the TV shows.

      • Luffy is definitely planet level at this point. He has the Aura and everything. Aura amps up all attacks so I think we can reasonably say that if he pointed a punch at the Earth then he would tear it apart. Also as I mentioned Luffy’s combat speed is superior here. Just look at an amv of him fighting Lucci and compare it to Batman fighting Superman. Then you’ve got your answer

      • no,in the comic books is where this is at its best,in the comics he did things like lifting the infinite book

        and lift specter whose body is composed of dimensions

        and you’re not even a “huge expert” of superman, if it were you would not be comparing luffy with him

      • As I said, he has a lot of crazy feats in the comics which is great, but when it comes time to fight he never really manages to pull them off. It’s a different story in the shows as you get to see Superman really cut loose

      • superman never uses his full potential because he knows full well the consequences of releasing his strength.

        “It’s a different story in the shows as you get to see Superman really cut loose”

        yes, because the superman in the tv programs are different from him in the comics

      • That’s true and it is very heroic of him. Still, the animated Superman just seems superior even when he is still holding back. I think that speaks volumes of the character’s strength. Wouldn’t you agree?

      • solving your question, no, I watched the superman cartoons and read the comics, and I can say that the cartoon superman is completely nerfed and has no feat of strength, speed, durability as the comics superman

      • Comics version may have feats, but he doesn’t look as good in combat and that is just as important. With animated Superman you knew that he was willing to throw down

      • is not good in combat? he fought darkseid, orion, infinite man, scott free, anti-monitor, how exactly is he not good at combat?

      • It’s not so much that Superman is terrible at combat, but that he doesn’t really know how to play the match ups. I couldn’t even begin to list all of the times he has rushed towards someone who was holding Kryptonite. Bad mistake on his part

      • “It’s not so much that Superman is terrible at combat, but that he does not really know how to play the match ups.” I could not even begin to list all of the times he has rushed towards someone who was holding Kryptonite. mistake on his part ”

        anti monitor is multiversal and to face characters of this level would require a lot of experience in combat, and again using cartoons, again the cartoons are not canonical and just because they are official do not mean they are canonical and valid to use in canonical

      • No, experience in combat isn’t needed when you’re super strong and I think that has been Superman’s excuse up to this point. He figures that he can beat anyone without these skills so that is why he has never learned them

      • All right, those arte some pretty nifty skills there. I won’t say that they are as good as Luffy’s, but Superman is indeed a skilled hand to hand fighter

      • “All right, those art some pretty nifty skills there. I will not say that they are as good as Luffy’s, but Superman is indeed a skilled hand to hand fighter”

        in fact he is much better.

      • Superman does have a lot of experience, but I think the years took their toll. Simply put, Superman lived a little too long and his fighting skills have started to get rusty in the process. You can’t be at your best all the time and Superman’s days of living in peace dulled his fighting sense

      • You did not show any evidence that he is planet + level. The only thing you know how to do is blabber and show no proof for your arguments, and stop using the dark knight returns, that comic book is not even canonical.

      • The problem is that there isn’t much actual evidence since Luffy has never felt the need to destroy the world. I don’t know where to begin on proving that since it’s just something that you learn as you go through the show. As for Batman vs Superman, I was referring to the World’s Finest TV special.

      • “The problem is that there is not much actual evidence since Luffy has never felt the need to destroy the world.”

        translating: there is no evidence to prove that it is planet + level: p

      • so show me these loops, it seems like you’re making up an excuse because there seems to be no evidence that luffy is a planetary level, his most impressive feat of force occurred in his fight against the Donflamingo and that feat is at the most island level

      • It’s because just punching the ground will destroy the planet if you’re strong enough. Just imagine how Frieza did it in Resurrection F and apply that to Luffy. Of course he wouldn’t destroy the planet like that, but he still could which is just as important.

      • “Just punch the ground will destroy the planet if you’re strong enough.” Just imagine how Frieza did it in Resurrection F and apply it to Luffy. Of course I would not destroy the planet like that, but it’s still ”

        but frieza did not destroy the planet the planet with brute force, it destroyed the earth because it made the planet’s nucleus collapse,

        and this argument
        “It’s just punching the ground will destroy the planet if you’re strong enough”

        is not valid for luffy since he has never demonstrated that he is strong enough to destroy the planet with his strength

      • Frieza did destroy it with brute strength. He collapsed the planet with a quick burst of energy and that was after he was super weakened. Imagine if he had been at full power, the universe likely would have gone with it. Luffy has traded blows with Toriko and Goku before so I definitely think he can hold his own.

        Luffy’s strength is considerable since he was able to punch guys like Dogtooth and Sanji in the past. I think it’s reasonable to say that he would come out on top here

      • You yourself have just contradicted yourself “Frieza did destroy it with brute strength. He collapsed the planet with a quick burst of energy and that was after he was super weakened.”

        he collapsed the planet with ENERGY, and energy is not physical force, “Imagine if he had been to full power, the universe would likely have gone it.”

        the universe would have gone along with it? I want to see you show me the evidence that it really is like that, instead of making up dubious assumptions, and he died for a planetary explosion, and that would not effect an universe + level being

        “Luffy has traded blows with Toriko and Goku before so I definitely think he can hold his own.”

        and so, that does not make him any better than superman, he traded punches with infinity man, darkseid, orion, joker emperor and others, and just because he was able to swap punches with them, this does not make him planet + level

        “Luffy’s strength is considerable since he was able to punch guys like Dogtooth and Sanji in the past.I think it’s reasonable to say he would come out on top here”

        and the superman was able to hurt the darkseid soulfire who is a nigh-omnipotent being and the same equated with the presence, was able to face infinity man who is powered by the presence power, faced the anti monitor being that it would practically go consuming the multiverse.

        “I think it’s reasonable to say that I would come out on top here”

        I would quit over who? of superman? Excuse me but the facts speak for themselves.

        superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>luffy

      • The evidence of the Universe going along with it can be traced back to the Cell saga where Cell was said to blow up a Solar System. That was eons ago as far as power levels are concerned so of course that would make modern Frieza Universe Level at the lowest, most likely reality level.

        Goku is stronger than any comic book character so trading blows with him is absolutely insane. Now it may have just been plot hax but we still have to keep that in mind.

        Superman>>>>All Comic Book characters, but Superman<<Sanji<<Zoro<<Luffy

      • “The evidence that the universe is along with it can be traced back to the Cell saga, where Cell was told to blow up a solar system. That was ages ago when it came to power levels, so of course that would do with which the modern Freeza Universe Level was at the lowest and most probable level of reality. ”

        I do not know where you got the fact that the cell being solar system level proves that the golden frieza is universe level, it died for a planetary explosion and that would not have effect on a being level

        “Goku is stronger than any comic book character so trading blows with him is absolutely insane. Now it may have been plotted hax but we still have to keep that in mind.”

        Can you show me the goku’s feats to prove he’s stronger than any comic book character? And why are you quoting other characters when we’re talking about superman vs luffy? no superman vs frieza or superman vs goku? running out of arguments to defend the luffy who has to resort to other characters?

         “Superman << Sanji << Zoro << Luffy"

        it's a shame they can not prove it, they only know how to use non-canonical fonts like the cartoons, assumptions and did not show anything done to prove they are stronger than superman

      • “I do not know where you got the fact that the cell being solar system level proves that the golden frieza is universe level, it died for a planetary explosion and that would not have effect on a being level”

        One definitely proves the other though. It just makes sense when you look at the power levels.

        “Can you show me the goku’s feats to prove he’s stronger than any comic book character? And why are you quoting other characters when we’re talking about superman vs luffy? no superman vs frieza or superman vs goku? running out of arguments to defend the luffy who has to resort to other characters?”

        I forgot why I brought him up, but it was for a good reason. I was pointing out that Luffy has fought someone who could laugh and Superman would be blown away by the shockwaves. I could bring up quite a lot of Goku feats by the way in case you’re interested.

        “it’s a shame they can not prove it, they only know how to use non-canonical fonts like the cartoons, assumptions and did not show anything done to prove they are stronger than superman”

        I have prove it though

      • “One definitely proves the other though. It just makes sense when you look at the power levels.”

        exploits, not levels of power will prove that it is universe, just show me, that it is something that you have not done so far.

        “I forgot why I brought him up, but it was a good reason I was pointing out that Luffy has fought someone who could laugh and Superman would be blown away by the shockwaves. the way in case you’re interested. ”

        superman has demonstrated feats of strength, speed, durability far better than those of goku and luffy, I’m not saying that they are weak, I know what they are capable of, but superman has proven to have better deeds than them, if You want to show, show but it will not change anything.

        “I have proven it though”

        so do it

      • “superman has demonstrated feats of strength, speed, durability far better than those of goku and luffy, I’m not saying that they are weak, I know what they are capable of, but superman has proven to have better deeds than them, if You want to show, show but it will not change anything.”

        Goku is way stronger than Superman. He was a solar system buster back in the Cell arc. Since then he has gotten many times stronger over the years to the point where it’s impossible to determine his power level. He is so strong that he could likely eradicate everything with a single blast. He is millions of times stronger than he was back when he could blow up a solar system so that’s why it is not a stretch to say that he is the strongest. It’s fortunate that this debate is mainly about Luffy I suppose.

        “so do it”

        I shall have the scans up ASAP

      • “Goku is much stronger than Superman.He was a solar system buster in the Cell arch.He has since been many times stronger over the years, to the point of being unable to determine his level of power.He is so strong which could eradicate everything with a single explosion.It is millions of times stronger than when it was able to blow up a solar system, so that’s why it’s not hard to say that it’s the strongest. about Luffy, I suppose. ”

        the only thing I have to say about it is, so what, superman moved planets and a solar system, destroyed reality several times, moved at speeds faster than that of light, is able to overcome the force of holes black with the vision of heat, already welded the cosmos with his vision of heat, wounded powerful beings with soulfire darkseid, fought a thousand years alongside wonder woman and thor, and can travel in time with its speed (which is practically impossible to measure such velocity)

        “He is millions of times stronger than he was when he could blow up a solar system”

        Where exactly did it blow up a solar system? Can you show me?

      • “Where exactly did it blow up a solar system? Can you show me?”

        No prob, I have the scene bookmarked at this point since it gets brought up quite a lot in DBZ debates.

      • “No prob, I have the scene bookmarked at this point since it gets brought up quite a lot in DBZ debates.”

        I think you did not understand my question, I asked where he had blown up a solar system.

      • and now I propose to you a challenge, make a list of the greatest feats of luffy, and subdivides into the following categories: strength, speed, durability

        and so we’ll see who is stronger between luffy and superman.

      • Hmm, my One Piece knowledge is rather lacking, but I shall do my best.

        Strength: Luffy broke a whole building with a single Gum Gum Punch back in Arlong Park before any of his power ups. If we throw in the other 3 Gears and the 3 Year timeskip plus Haki, then we can assume that Luffy’s punch would have decimated the planet.

        Speed: Luffy was keeping up with Dogtooth and Lucci. We saw him essentially teleporting during the fight so he is certainly FTL. The DBZ teleport sound is usually proof of that. Factor in that he keeps getting stronger and faster and his limits are unknown.

        Durability: Luffy was fighting for hours and maybe even longer during some of the latest arcs. Luffy’s endured dozens of attacks even when he was incredibly weakened. If that isn’t impressive then I don’t know what is!

      • Strength: Luffy broke an entire building with a single Gum Gum Punch at Arlong Park before any of his power-ups. If we play the other 3 Gears and the 3 year timeskip plus Haki, then we can assume that Luffy’s punch would have wiped out the planet.

        superman destroys a meteor that can demolish the earth

        destroys several planets within galact golem

        Superman harms and tanks attacks from Nebula Man / Qwewq / Neh-Buh-Loh, who is a living, conscious universe.

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/consciousuniverse.jpg.html

        Superman goes through a Quantum Zealot and rips him in half, saving the 5th Dimensional Quantum Mechanic Sleeper. The Quantum Mechanics are more powerful than the 5th Dimensional Imps, as they can overtake the 5th Dimension

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        In JLA: Heaven’s Ladder # 1, Superman tanks an attack from the Quantum Zealot, an evil Quantum Mechanic, even when Quantum Zealot, being who has obtained the Power of Creation, has him in his hands during the attack. Afterwards, even in Superman’s bad condition, he manages to get up and push Quantum Zealot inside the machine.

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        breaks through space time and then harms death

        harms soulfire darkseid,who is a nigh-omnipotent begin

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/throughsfdarkseid2.jpg.html

        breaks infinite realities

        reality breaks apart

        in its struggle with kal-l breaks the boundaries of space time and reality

        during his trip to the past, he accidentally breaks reality

        Speed: Luffy was keeping up with Dogtooth and Lucci. We saw him essentially teleporting during the fight so he is certainly FTL. The DBZ teleport sound is usually proof of that. Factor in that he keeps getting stronger and faster and his limits are unknown.

        Flies lightyears and saves an alien

        Flies from Vega to Earth in a short amount of time

        Goes to Andromeda to help people and does not take 1000’s of years

        Moves so fast even Lightray would be left behind

        Lightray can circle Apokolips thousands of times in a short amount of time. Apokolips is so large Earth barely displaces to lake on it.

        Breaches Darkseids singularity

        and the flash needed to go faster than the light to enter

        Keeps up with Wally West

        Circumnavigates the sun

        Superman travels from Apokolips to Earth in seconds.

        What’s more impressive about this is that apokolipse gets off the multiverse

        https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2015/03-MAR/Multiversity_Map_600

        so the superman traveled out and into the multiverse in seconds, literally a feat of immeasurable speed

        superman travels on time running

        and from what flash said, the trip could have destroyed the universe

        he also moved fast even with the negative manipulation of time

        Durability: Luffy was fighting for hours and maybe even longer during some of the last arcs. Luffy endured dozens of attacks, even when he was incredibly weak. If this is not impressive, then I do not know what it is!

        cool, but not as impressive as endure a chronal storm

        and he several times already endured the omega ray of darkseid that can erase people from existence

        Takes a blast from a guy who feeds off the energies of destroyed planets

        Survives a cosmic storm that mutates matter and energy

        After having some of his power drained by the Parasite, and being further weakened by Khyber gets tossed into the earth. Interesting to note how he survived depowered even though the Earth was absolutely fucked by this.

        Hit back by the Claw of Horus, which is the equivalent of being punched with a planet

        Emperor Joker clocks him into outer space,

        and let’s not pretend Emperor Joker was not powerful

        Withstands Sodom and Gamorrah’s matter manipulation

        A younger Superman survives the supernova

        Withstand the pressure equivalent of a giant black hole

        Survives sun eater’s implosion. Force was powerful enough to knock him lightyears away and back in time

         Sun Eater’s are pretty big

        Survives attacks from the Void Hound

        and the Void Hound destroyed 10 star systems in one test run

        Survives another red sun eater’s detonation that was 50 times the size of the Keplar Supernova

        It was right in the center of and survived the collision and fusion of Apokolips and New Genesis. This is really good, once again considering the size of these planets

        Absorbs enough anti sunlight that would have vaporized half a galaxy

        survives source wall explosion (and the source wall all around existence https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg and also metron describes the explosion of the source wall as a “pan dimensional breach” which means that the source explosion could destroy the entire existence, it survived a much more powerful explosion than the big bang)

        Superman tanks a blast coming from Soulfire Darkseid and the Source’s confrontation. In this same battle, Superman described the reality warping involved as affecting reality “to the Bleed”, clearly stating how potent the reality warping was

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        observations:

        “Then we can assume that Luffy’s punch would have decimated the planet.”

        You did not show any feat that proves that he is planet level.

        “We saw him essentially teleporting during the fight so he is certainly FTL”

        You also have not shown that it is more FTL just because their fight took place at high speed does not mean they are faster than light

      • That’s quite a lot of feats! All right, when I have more time tomorrow or Saturday at the latest I will go and start grabbing a bunch of actual scans to use for the feats. It’s time to prove once and for all that Luffy is as tough as he looks, perhaps even tougher.

        “You also have not shown that it is more FTL just because their fight took place at high speed does not mean they are faster than light”

        Teleporting during combat makes you FTL though and Luffy has pulled this off many times before. That’s why he is known as such a dangerous opponent for all sides.

        “cool, but not as impressive as endure a chronal storm”

        I’d argue that Luffy’s durability is more impressive. Getting beaten up after already being exhausted is quite intense and few characters could take such punishment

      • “That’s quite a lot of feats! All right, when I have more time tomorrow or Saturday at the latest I will go and start grabbing a bunch of current scans to use for the feats. as tough as he looks, perhaps even tougher. ”

        You finally understood what I want you to do.

        “Teleporting during combat makes you FTL though and Luffy has pulled this off many times before. That’s why he’s known to be a dangerous opponent for all sides.”

        it does not, it proves that his speed is very similar to lightning,

        “I’d argue that Luffy’s durability is more impressive. Getting beaten up after already being exhausted is quite intense and few characters could take such punishment”

        and superman took an explosion equivalent to 50 supernovae when it was weakened by red solar radiation. It took the explosion of the entire source wall in the face, endured the effect of the darkseid soulfire fight and presence that was changing reality to an absurd level! then endured an omega beam of the darkseid soulfire

        and only a few moments later he endured the collision of new genesis and apokolipse

        Luffy may have been able to catch even when he was tired, but superman endured extreme situations one after the other

      • “it does not, it proves that his speed is very similar to lightning,”

        Superior to lightning you mean and I would argue that since Luffy wasn’t even at his best at that point that he is absolutely crazy now!

        Luffy being a building buster back in arc 1.

        Throw in the timeskips and that puts him at planet level. Next Luffy decimates a whole city while he was being squished so he didn’t even have any leverage.

        This was before the timeskip which makes it even more impressive. Finally Luffy basically destroys a country with his ultimate punch. If the web hadn’t been there then the planet would have likely fallen too.

        As for speed, here Luffy outruns an explosion.

        Here Luffy runs so fast that he sets fire to the ground and his FTL abilities are finally appreciated by me.

        Luffy casually dodging arrows while relaxed.

        I could go on for days. Luffy just has a bunch of feats.

        There’s a whole thread for it.

        Superman is just out of his league here

      • “I would not say that Luffy was not even at his best at that point, that’s absolutely crazy now!”

        superior to a lighning or not, it does not do it faster than light.

        Now that I’ve analyzed all the exploits you’ve shown, let’s compare

        “Luffy being a building buster back in arc 1.

        Luffy Gomu Gomu on Ax

        Throw in the timeskips and that puts him at planet level. Next Luffy decimates to whole city while he was being squished so he did not even have any leverage.

        View post on imgur.com

        This was before the timeskip which makes it even more impressive. Finally Luffy basically destroys a country with his ultimate punch. If the web had not been there then the planet would have likely fallen too.

        Luffy’s King Kong Gun ”

        superman destroys a meteor that can demolish the earth

        destroys several planets within galact golem

        Superman harms and tanks attacks from Nebula Man / Qwewq / Neh-Buh-Loh, who is a living, conscious universe.

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/consciousuniverse.jpg.html

        Superman goes through a Quantum Zealot and rips him in half, saving the 5th Dimensional Quantum Mechanic Sleeper. The Quantum Mechanics are more powerful than the 5th Dimensional Imps, as they can overtake the 5th Dimension

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/throughzealot1.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/throughzealot2.jpg.html

        In JLA: Heaven’s Ladder # 1, Superman tanks an attack from the Quantum Zealot, an evil Quantum Mechanic, even when Quantum Zealot, being who has obtained the Power of Creation, has him in his hands during the attack. Afterwards, even in Superman’s bad condition, he manages to get up and push Quantum Zealot inside the machine.

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/quantumzealot1.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/quantumzealot2.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/quantumzealot3.jpg.html

        breaks through space time and then harms death

        harms soulfire darkseid, who is a nigh-omnipotent begin

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/throughsfdarkseid2.jpg.html

        infinite realities

        reality breaks apart

        in its struggle with kal-l breaks the boundaries of space and reality

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength1.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength2.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength3.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength3a.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength4.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength4a.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength5.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength6.jpg.html

        http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvse2strength7.jpg.html

        during his trip to the past, he accidentally breaks reality

        “As for speed, here Luffy outruns an explosion.

        Luffy outruns an explosion

        Here Luffy runs so fast that he sets fire to the ground and his FTL abilities are finally appreciated by me.

        Luffy runs so fast the ground catches fire

        Luffy casually dodging arrows while relaxed.

        Luffy dodging haki imbued arrows ”

        Flies lightyears and saves an alien

        Flies from Vega to Earth in a short amount of time

        Goes to Andromeda to help people and does not take 1000’s of years

        Moves so fast even Lightray would be left behind

        Lightray can circle Apokolips thousands of times in a short amount of time. Apokolips is so large Earth barely displaces to lake on it.

        Breaches Darkseids singularity

        and the flash needed to go faster than the light to enter

        Keeps up with Wally West

        Circumnavigates the sun

        Superman travels from Apokolips to Earth in seconds.

        What’s more impressive about this is that apokolipse gets off the multiverse

        https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2015/03-MAR/Multiversity_Map_600

        so the superman traveled out and into the multiverse in seconds, literally a feat of immeasurable speed

        superman travels on time running

        and from what flash, the trip could have destroyed the universe

        he has also moved fast even with the negative manipulation of time

        based on this small analysis,

        force: superman

        speed: superman

        so I guess the result is kind of obvious, superman wins

      • As I said before, Superman’s feats are very impressive. I like the fact that Superman was able to go through a whole multiverse so quickly. It adds a lot of credibility for when I say that he is the strongest comic book character. At the same time, in combat I don’t think he would be able to stand up to Luffy. He would quickly be getting punched around as he has shown many times that he can’t handle 1 on 1 fights. Luffy has grown way stronger and faster over the years while Superman’s power fluctuates based on the writer. Put them both at their best and I have to go with the King of the Pirates here. His abilities are seriously no joke

      • “At the same time, in combat I do not think I would be able to stand up to Luffy. I would have quickly gotten punched around as he has shown many times that he can not handle 1 on 1 fights”

        let me just remind you that superman, faced characters that can eradicate the whole existence, and to face such characters he not only needed to be strong, fast and durable, he would have to have a lot of experience in combat, because he would have to have gone through such situations and knowing what to do in them, and also he would need to be strong in order to be able to hurt such beings, and also need to be quick to deflect attacks and counterattack quickly, and durable to resist the attacks of these beings and to remain alive and standing .

        superman has repeatedly faced such enemies, as well as defeated them,
        and you’re telling me he’s not good enough to take Luffy? The exploits you’ve shown do not prove he’s capable of beating the superman or accompanying him, and I’m aware he’s been hit by enemies slow, but Luffy also does not take advantage of this, since it has also been hit by slow enemies,

        and you’ve also forgotten the fact that superman is trained by Batman and Wonder Woman, and is trained in Kryptonian martial arts.

        “Luffy has grown way stronger and faster over the years while Superman’s power fluctuates based on the writer. Put them both at their best and I have to go with the King of the Pirates here. His abilities are seriously no joke”

        if luffy is getting stronger, then it’s because the writers want him to get stronger, in addition superman gets stronger with each passing day, since every day his body absorbs solar energy, and also put the luffy at his best and I did the same thing with superman and in the end the pirate king lost his throne

      • “if luffy is getting stronger, then it’s because the writers want him to get stronger, in addition superman gets stronger with each passing day, since every day his body absorbs solar energy, and also put the luffy at his best and I did the same thing with superman and in the end the pirate king lost his throne”

        Luffy never loses his throne. What I’m also saying is that Luffy’s power level is consistent and always rising while Superman is lucky to break even. Some days he looks good and some days he looks bad. He’s not quite in the same league as Luffy.

        “let me just remind you that superman, faced characters that can eradicate the whole existence, and to face such characters he not only needed to be strong, fast and durable, he would have to have a lot of experience in combat, because he would have to have gone through such situations and knowing what to do in them, and also he would need to be strong in order to be able to hurt such beings, and also need to be quick to deflect attacks and counterattack quickly, and durable to resist the attacks of these beings and to remain alive and standing .”

        Superman has faced some really strong opponents. However, they weren’t pirates. Superman knows hand to hand combat, but often forgets to use it and just starts swinging his fists. If I’m being honest here, I have to give the edge to Luffy. Luffy doesn’t get hit by slow opponents unless he wants to be

      • I think your blog did not post my review for some reason but here was my review

        Okay, after all this time I came back and I’ll answer you

        “Luffy never loses his throne Luffy’s power level is consistent and always rising Superman is lucky to break even Some days he looks good and some days he looks bad He’s not quite in the same league as the Luffy.”

        I’m amazed to see how you’ve indignified all I’ve said and I’ve shown, superman innumerable times has infested enemies that can eradicate the whole existence, and this has not happened once or twice, been several times, so this Superman only picked up all the time and won only once or twice, but that does not happen in COMIC BOOKS unless you are talking about the drawings (which are neither canonical nor they are part of the original story of the character) and it is also worth remembering that he has often endured powerful enemy attacks and neither suffered much damage nor appeared to have taken the attack, while luffy in some of his fights was so wounded that he came to the brink of death.

        “Superman has faced some really strong opponents, however, they were not pirates.” Superman knows hand to hand combat, but often forgets to use it and just starts swinging his fists. edge to Luffy. Luffy does not get hit by slow opponents unless he wants to be ”

        so I think the luffy should be a sadomasochist because practically in all his fights he can not stand without taking damage, and on the superman shake his fists well, some of those wrist-shaking were strong enough to let some of his opponents lethally hurt or they were not able to do that, but they were not able to do so, and they were not able to do so. I have demonstrated several times.

        and what exactly did you mean when you said that superman’s enemies are not pirates? Are you telling me that just because they are one-character characters mean they are stronger than the DC characters?

        this argument makes no sense because some of the enemies that Luffy faced are simple pirates with special abilities (some of them do not even become city level) while the superman’s opponents are mostly gods and cosmic entities with immeasurable powers that can eradicate existence, or creatures that can destroy planets, stars or galaxies (like doomsday and rogor zaar).

        plus the feats of strength, speed, durability, luffy can be impressive in your universe, but compared to what superman has already done and is able to sincerely, make luffy look like jokes.

      • Must have gone to spam for some reason. I don’t really check that box very often. All right, lets get into this debate.

        “I’m amazed to see how you’ve indignified all I’ve said and I’ve shown, superman innumerable times has infested enemies that can eradicate the whole existence, and this has not happened once or twice, been several times, so this Superman only picked up all the time and won only once or twice, but that does not happen in COMIC BOOKS unless you are talking about the drawings (which are neither canonical nor they are part of the original story of the character) and it is also worth remembering that he has often endured powerful enemy attacks and neither suffered much damage nor appeared to have taken the attack, while luffy in some of his fights was so wounded that he came to the brink of death.”

        Well, Superman definitely has a lot of good feats and such at his disposal. I won’t deny that Superman’s a strong fighter. I’d still say that he is the strongest comic book character, but he isn’t ready for a round against my main man Strawhat Luffy. Luffy is more consistent. While he has been brought to the brink of defeat in the past, it won’t happen very easily. At his prime Luffy can now take on almost any opponent 1 on 1. His rubber body will help insulate him from Superman’s attacks and you can’t underestimate his massive speed either. Superman has more raw strength, but he doesn’t have the combat speed needed to take on Luffy.

        “so I think the luffy should be a sadomasochist because practically in all his fights he can not stand without taking damage, and on the superman shake his fists well, some of those wrist-shaking were strong enough to let some of his opponents lethally hurt or they were not able to do that, but they were not able to do so, and they were not able to do so. I have demonstrated several times.

        and what exactly did you mean when you said that superman’s enemies are not pirates? Are you telling me that just because they are one-character characters mean they are stronger than the DC characters?”

        Well, I’m just saying that if you put the One Piece villains against the DC ones, the former would be able to claim victory. On average they are just a whole lot stronger and more powerful. Superman would be on the defensive for most of the battle and would ultimately begin to falter. So, Superman has a lot of raw speed, but he doesn’t have good combat speed. It’s why you see him get hit by characters like Batman, Poison Ivy, etc. You won’t see that kind of thing happen to Luffy. Especially since he has Haki which lets him predict and expect hits like that.

        Superman is great. I can’t stress that enough. Still, he just doesn’t have a chance here. Luffy’s a little too high tier here. Losing is just something that he doesn’t do.

      • “Well, Superman definitely has a lot of good feats and his at disposal. I will not deny that Superman’s a strong fighter. I would say that he is the strongest comic book character, but he is not ready for a round against my main man Strawhat Luffy Luffy is more consistent.While he has been brought to the brink of defeat in the past, it will not happen very easily.In his prime Luffy can now take on almost any opponent 1 on 1. His rubber body will help insulate him from Superman’s attacks and you can not underestimate his massive speed either. “Superman has more raw strength, but he does not have the speed needed to take Luffy.”

        his feats show how strong he is how fast he is how durable he is, and most importantly, shows what he could do in a fight, shows if he would have speed to accompany the character, and to what extent he can and all that I’ve shown before is to show that luffy would be nothing new to superman,

        he already faced enemies that could virtually destroy the DC multiverse and was able to withstand these powers, and of course endured planetary explosions, supernova explosions, black holes, and even a more powerful explosion than the big bang.

        and even if luffy hit him with a king kong gun, it would not be anything the superman could not stand, since the same when he fought khyber he was thrown hard enough to ruffle the planet and cause a nuclear winter

        and raises only a few seconds more pissed off than hurt

        “His rubber body will help insulate him from Superman’s attacks and you can not underestimate his massive speed either.”

        the resistance of the rubber has limits, and several times the luffy was injured even possessing a rubber body so that does not mean anything, and even the luffy being super fast it does not even compare to the speed of sprinters like the flash.

        and it has often been shown that the superman can react at speeds like that of light (even higher)








        based on this, the superman can rather react to luffy speed

        “Well, I’m just saying that if you put the One Piece villains against the DCs, the former would be able to claim victory.” On average, they are just a lot stronger and more powerful. most of the battle and would eventually begin to falter So, Superman has a lot of raw speed, but he does not have good combat speed. ‘t see that kind of thing happen to Luffy. Especially since he has Haki which lets him predict and expect hits like that. ”

        If you’re talking about characters like toy man, lex luthor, and etc. I even understand, but if you’re talking about characters like darkseid, imperiex prime, dominus, anti monitor, mr myx, and so on. so I guess you should not be inside yourself because these characters who are gods and cosmic entities (bearers of infinite powers)

        how exactly can characters (some of them even being city level) defeat characters that are multiverse level being?

        “Superman has a lot of raw speed, but he does not have good combat speed. It’s why you see him get hit by characters like Batman, Poison Ivy, etc. You will not see that kind of thing happen to Luffy.”

        “Superman has a lot of raw speed, but he does not have good combat speed. It’s why you see him get hit by characters like Batman, Poison Ivy, etc. You will not see that kind of thing happen to Luffy.”

        as I have demonstrated several times superman has combat speed more than enough to combat luffy, and the situation you mentioned are common situations in the life of superman situations I mentioned were situations in which it was necessary for superman to use his speed reaction, now in normal situations in the life of the superman it is completely unnecessary to use all his speed to solve situations that need little, and as luffy is a fast opponent then the superman will certainly use his reaction speed and combat.

        plus this situation you’re mentioning was when poison ivy used poison with kripitonite to manipulate the superman’s mind and batman used a kripitonite ring to hurt superman, both of whom used superman’s weaknesses to hit him and this is not valid, just as it is not worth the fact that luffy was shot by a seastone’s bullet.

        “Superman is great.” “I can not stress that enough.” “Still, I just do not have a chance here.” “Luffy’s a little too high tier here.

        too high in his universe with his enemies, but against someone is strong enough to move and destroy planets with his own hands, contain a black hole with his hands, lift infinite weight, break the boundaries of space time and reality and face enemies that can destroy all existence, frankly it is more than the luffy is able to perk.

        It’s worth remembering too that combat speed is not the only thing that matters in a fight, strength, durability too, so stop saying that superman can not defeat luffy just because of combat speed (though I have already shown he has and use only when necessary) because that’s not all that matters.

      • “his feats show how strong he is how fast he is how durable he is, and most importantly, shows what he could do in a fight, shows if he would have speed to accompany the character, and to what extent he can and all that I’ve shown before is to show that luffy would be nothing new to superman,…..”

        Superman does have some great feats. The scans you posted certainly do show why he is such a threat. At his best Superman has even juggled planets and such. He’s certainly no pushover or anything like that. At the same time, Superman’s been shown to be rather inconsistent. Now, we can perhaps say that it is because some threats aren’t worth his time as you suggested. Perhaps he has to tap into his abilities so he can be slow to react if he isn’t expecting an attack. However, while that could work to an extent, I don’t think it completely solves the problem for him. His durability doesn’t go down and yet he takes solid hits from relatively low tier villains at times. We’re using composite so Superman is at his best but this should all be taken into consideration.

        Now, you’re saying that combat speed isn’t the only thing that matters. That’s true, but it has a huge impact on the fight. Put it this way, if you take away the combat speed then the fight is determined by the abilities. Luffy and Superman both have similar abilities. Superman has his unique heat vision while Luffy has his Rubber powers. Beyond that, they both have super strength and speed. Superman may have those abilities at a higher level, but how well he uses them in combat is crucial. He won’t be able to keep up with Luffy in a close quarters brawl. Superman will be able to recognize that a hit is closing in and adapt as best he can, but at the end of the day he won’t be able to get out of the situation as smoothly as he would have hoped and that’s where things are going to get dicey for him.

        “If you’re talking about characters like toy man, lex luthor, and etc. I even understand, but if you’re talking about characters like darkseid, imperiex prime, dominus, anti monitor, mr myx, and so on. so I guess you should not be inside yourself because these characters who are gods and cosmic entities (bearers of infinite powers)”

        Yeah, I’m talking about the latter guys. Lets say we have Lucci, Dogtooth, and Whitebeard against Darkseid, Mr Mxy, and Anti Monitor, the first group will win. Once again, those guys are just stronger fighters and have been in the ring for quite a while. Their unique talents and techniques will keep the DC villains at bay while also cementing their advantage very quickly. You just can’t hope to stop such heavy weights from running away with the title.

      • Did you delete my comment or what? When I posted my comment in response to your last comment, it appeared as posted but then disappeared suddenly.

        I’m starting to think that it was you who deleted him.

      • I don’t really use Google+ though. I was able to find your comment and restored it so I’ll respond soon. It’s a long one so I just gotta make sure I have enough time to give it a proper reply. It’ll happen today though

  6. Now THIS is funny. Luffy is so hopelessly outclassed here. Superman not only solos the SH Pirates, he solos the One Piece world. Luffy stands a chance only if it’s DCEU or DCAU because those versions are intentionally nerfed to oblivion for the sake of the plot.

    Strength: Superman. What is Luffy’s greatest strength feat? Does it come anywhere near the time Superman held up a conscious void with the entire Multiverse growing inside it?

    Speed: Superman. All of them. Travel, combat, you name it. Also Luffy is NOT FTL. Admiral Kizaru is the ONLY character in One Piece confirmed to be AT, NOT FASTER than light speed, seen as in the Marineford Arc, Kizaru called Luffy in Gear 2 “slow.” Combat speed is also a no-brained. Luffy vs Lucci is pitiful compared to Superman against Shazam, Doomsday, Darkseid, Zod. He speed blitzes them and he’s stated countless times that he can blitz at the speed of light. There’s also the fact that he can speed up his senses to slow time around him and can keep up with The Flash, the fastest being in all of fiction.

    Durability: Hahahaha. Luffy got burned by Akainu’s magma. Even the DCAU Superman isn’t affected by magma. He was fighting Doomsday inside a volcano. He’ll incinerate Luffy with his heat vision. If Aokiji can freeze him, so can Superman. His freeze breath cancels out Captain Cold’s gun, so that means it reaches Absolute Zero.

    Intelligence: Is this even a debate? Superman is a descendant of the most intelligent race (excluding Gods) in the Universe and he processes information thousands of times faster than supercomputers.

    “He doesn’t have the raw power” Haha yes he does. Luffy vs Lucci proved that he can be beaten by brute force alone, and since its kind of obvious Lucci is barely mid tier and Superman is way above top tier in OP, I’d say Superman’s punch atomizes him. But then again, he can shatter planets with ease, and Luffy’s durability isn’t all that impressive. Don’t forget that the only reason Luffy is still alive is because of his friends helping him and sheer luck. He should have died in the Alabasta Arc after Crocodile drained him of water.

    • I think you’re lowballing Luffy here. The guy is definitely FTL, just look at how fast his fight with Lucci was. Luffy was strong enough to land blows on really powerful enemies in the One Piece series and his durability is also on point. Superman always sounds good in theory, but his combat applicable speed is just not good enough.

      • luffy FTL? you just kidding?Have you shown absolutely no feat that proves that it is FTL, and the superman’s combat speed?

        he took the flash that was running at such an insane speed that he manipulated reality

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping2.jpg.html

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping3.jpg.html

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping4.jpg.html

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping5.jpg.html

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping6.jpg.html

        took the professor zoom

        reacted to flash and barry alan running faster than light

        in his fight against darkseid he the blitzes until the sun in a few mere seconds

        reacted to flash slow down everything

        accelerates your perceptions to accompany the flash that paralyzed the time

        and one of the superman’s own authors said he can speed up his perceptions of seeing everything in attosecond-scale

        he also moved fast even with the negative manipulation of time

        ie his combat speed is Muuuuuuito greater than that of Luffy, he is strong, fast and tough than Luffy, it does not have the slightest chance

      • Remember that for every big Superman feat there are 2-3 to stop it. Superman gets tagged by just about everyone. His speed is really up and down all the time. Even factoring in his biggest travel feats, the guy just can’t fight at a consistently fast level like Stawhat Luffy. Luffy has his Gears at the ready and even without them he was able to dodge a point blank laser. Superman in combat has had a tough time with the likes of Batman. Yes, Superman would probably win a race against Luffy, but that’s not enough to win the fight

      • Whoa there, give me some more time. I haven’t been by the computer much so for the longer comments I have to wait until Saturday. I’ll make sure to remind the world why Luffy is top tier

      • again using cartoons and non-canonical fonts, and I did not just show travel feats and also his speed of reaction,

        its reaction speed is nanosecond + level

        and according to one of its authors the reaction speed of it is attosecond + level

        and the luffy’s reaction speed is hypersonic + level, and the superman’s speed is attosecond level (or trillion times the speed of light) the superman can easily blitzs him. and please stop using the cartoon and non-canonical fonts to justify their arguments, and so far you have not shown any deed that proves that luffy is faster than light.

      • Luffy outspeeds light casually. If you ask me, that alone shows why he is one of the strongest to ever fight it out. Now, Superman’s cartoon moments have to be considered as I mentioned they are his best feats. They may not have the same ring to it as nanosecond or attosecond, but we actually see him move quite quickly against his opponents. The problem is that he also gets blasted just as easily by other opponents. With Luffy you can bet that he won’t get hit unless he wills it to be so.

      • Sorry but this has nothing to do with the speed of light, you think this is speed of light just because the name of the attack is “ray of light”? the speed of light was never mentioned in the feat

      • this feat proves nothing because the speed of light is not even mentioned in the feat, and just because the name of the attack is “ray of light” does not mean that it is an attack on the speed of light, and definitely do not see how to deflect a laser proves that he is FTL

        “but Superman has also lost to bank robbers in the past among others”

        this situation that you are describing has never occurred in comics unless you are talking about the cartoons that as I said before are totally irrelevant because they are not canonical.

      • See, that’s the difference between the comics and anime. In the comic they will say that something is at the speed of light as hyperbole or just to make it more impressive. In the cartoons they just show a beam of light and you know that it is FTL if a character dodges. That’s what One Piece did and it works effectively. Luffy didn’t deflect it either, he simply dodged.

        You caught me. That was from the TV show but it is still relevant even if it is not canon

      • In comics, they will say that something is at the speed of light, hyperbole or just to make it more impressive. “The exploits that I showed of the superman did not even mention the speed of light, but this was demonstrated.

        “In the cartoons they just show a ray of light and you know it’s FTL if a character dodges. That’s what a piece did and it works effectively.” Luffy did not turn away either, he simply dodged. ”

        again laser beams are not light, and just because the name of the attack is “ray of light” does not mean that the attack is at the speed of light will be so difficult to understand? it seems so

        “.You caught me. That was from the TV show but it is still relevant even if it is not canon”

        I do not know why you insist on using the cartoons when they are totally irrelevant, the superman presented in the drawings is weak, without saying that the drawings are not canonical either

      • “The exploits that I showed of the superman did not even mention the speed of light, but this was demonstrated.”

        That’s fair, but it still doesn’t mean they are necessarily as impressive as what we’ve seen visually. For example

        This is probably still in Superman’s top 3 most impressive scenes.

        “again laser beams are not light, and just because the name of the attack is “ray of light” does not mean that the attack is at the speed of light will be so difficult to understand? it seems so”

        This laser beam was definitely massively FTL though. You can just tell based on how intense it looked and how everybody reacted.

        The cartoon Superman is still his strongest form. Point to a comic and I just point to the TV show as a better feat. He was basically perfect there

      • “That’s fair, but it still does not mean they’re necessarily as impressive as we’ve seen visually, for example”

        “That’s probably still in the 3 most impressive Superman scenes.”

        sorry but just because this did not appear visually does not mean he did not, and luffy did absolutely nothing impressive besides diverting from a laser beam,

        “This laser beam was definitely massively FTL though. You can tell how intense it looked and how everyone reacted.”

        I do not know where you got that laser beam is massively FTL, and just because everyone was impressed with what the luffy did, does not mean it was faster than light.

        “The cartoon Superman is still strong.” I point to a comic and I just point to the TV show as a better feat.

        Again, I watched the superman cartoons and read his comics, and the cartoon superman is too weak when compared to him in comics (and you know that very well) the only reason you use the cartoon superman is because he is the only version of the superman that the luffy manages to defeat, because of the comic he does not have the least chance.

      • He didn’t divert the laser blast though. He just dodged it which is immensely impressive. I also don’t deny that Superman performed those feats. I’m just saying that they weren’t quite as downright amazing as you would have us believe. In truth, Luffy probably could have done all of that.

        Everyone was impressed and you just have to roll with the narrative there. Why actually say that the blast was FTL when you can show it? That’s just basic story telling logic there.

        Animated Superman is still the best Superman if you ask me. He’s looked very impressive throughout, particularly in the Justice League cartoon. Never in all of my years have I seen a comic book character move with that level of speed and raw power. It was absolutely crazy!

      • “He didn’t divert the laser blast though. He just dodged it which is immensely impressive. I also don’t deny that Superman performed those feats. I’m just saying that they weren’t quite as downright amazing as you would have us believe. In truth, Luffy probably could have done all of that.”

        do you know what a nanosecond is?, apparently not, nanosecond is 1 billionth of a second, it would take 1 billion nanoseconds to make a second, for example he reacted to his mother’s death in a nanosecond (or 1 billionth of 1 second ) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V0RZe_o8DXI/WpZqZBh2TaI/AAAAAAAAJjA/gkjC4W1HdXIHyKMD4GmQ6par2eplGsjKwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

        and it was only 999,999 million nanoseconds to make 1 second in which krypton would explode, in other words the superman reacted to his mother’s death 1 billionth of a second before krypton explodes (literally much faster than light)

        and attosecond is 1 trillionth of a second (literally 1 trillionth of an instant) an instant lasts 320 attoseconds. and superman can see all in some attoseconds as his author

        note that the author has not made it clear how many attoseconds the superman can see all maybe 1 2 3 or 4 attoseconds, in other words the superman’s speed of reaction is faster than an instant!

        and no, luffy can not do that, since he has not dismantled proof of that, and dodging a laser beam does not make it faster than light.

        “”Everyone was impressed and you just had to roll with the narrative there.Why do you say the blast was FTL when you can show it?” This is just basic logic of storytelling there. ”

        again, that laser is not at the speed of light, even because the name “ray of light” does not mean that the attack is at the speed of light, and just because they were impressed by it, does not mean that that attack was at the speed of light, just because the attack has “light” in the name does not mean that the attack is at the speed of light, and this does not prove that luffy is faster than superman (and neither FTL)

        “Animated Superman is still the best Superman if you ask me.He’s looked very impressive throughout, particularly in the Justice League cartoon.Never in all of my years have I seen the comic book character move with that level of speed and raw power.It was absolutely crazy! ”

        let me understand this argument, the cartoon superman is better just because it moves and in the comics that are just images on paper, and it does not move? sorry, but this type of argument is a fallacy, just because the superman of comic does not move and is just an image on paper, this does not invalidate his exploits in comics

        and more

        “Never in all of my years have I seen comic book character moves with that level of speed and raw power. It was absolutely crazy!”

        perhaps because superman in comic books is not animated, does not move, does not fly as if alive. this argument is simply ridiculous just because the cartoon superman is animated does not mean that he is better than he comics,

        his argument consists of “superman in cartoons is better because he is ANIMATED”

      • That Superman scene definitely seems like comic hyperbole. Granted, it’s canon hyperbole, but that doesn’t really change things. A nano second is starting to get rather crazy but lets say that he is that fast. That doesn’t stop Luffy from creaming him in close quarters combat now does it? Superman wouldn’t be able to react to Luffy’s intense flurry of blows. It would just be too much for him and I say that as a big Superman fan. He simply isn’t quite as good in a fight.

        Superman can’t react in time to stop any of the faster foes.

        Luffy can and that is why he would win this fight.

        I’m not saying that the comics aren’t any good because the character can’t move, but it does limit their effectiveness overall. You need animation and motion to really show the world your skills. Comics tend to overcompensate with dialogue and stuff to make the characters stronger, but it’s just not enough

      • “That Superman scene definitely seems like comic hyperbole.” “Granted, it’s canon hyperbole, but that does not really change things.” A nano second is starting to get rather crazy but lets say that that is fast. Superman would not be able to react to Luffy’s intense flurry of blows. good in a fight. ”

        sorry, but just because the feat is exaggerated does not mean it’s hyperbole, it has absolutely nothing to prove that luffy is faster than him and so he needs lowball superman with baseless assumptions and fallacies

        “That does not stop Luffy from creaming him in close quarters combat now does it? Superman would not be able to react to Luffy’s intense flurry of blows. “I’m just not very good at fighting.”

        he reacted to the speed of characters such as flash,professor zoom , monarch, barrey alan characters that are much faster than light, and luffy is at max hypersonic + level.

        and more

        The superman is being hit by another Kryptonian and the superman was suffering from overdose of solar energy (or cancer). )

        and there’s more this superman you’re showing is the superman allstar, not the superman post-crisis (and the allstar superman is neither canonical)

        “I’m not saying that comics are not good because the character can not move, but it limits their overall effectiveness.” You need animation and movement to really show the world your skills. “The comics tend to overcompensate with dialogue and other things, make the characters stronger, but it’s not enough ”

        it’s like I said before, you think the cartoon superman is better just because he’s excited, and that kind of argument is flawed

      • “sorry, but just because the feat is exaggerated does not mean it’s hyperbole, it has absolutely nothing to prove that luffy is faster than him and so he needs lowball superman with baseless assumptions and fallacies”

        At least I’m using both assumptions and fallacies instead of just picking one or the other. Lets face it, Superman’s not nanosecond material even if he acts like it at times.

        I’m not saying cartoon Supermanis the best because he’s excited. I’m saying that he’s the best because he is the best. We’ve seen him actually use his speed in practical settings. He still gets beaten up by rather slow opponents but for the most part this version of Superman is not messing around. He is here to win and that’s what I like about the portrayal. He’s just a whole lot more impressive.

      • “At least I’m using both assumptions and fallacies instead of just choosing one or the other. Let’s face it, Superman is not nanosecond, even if he does it sometimes.”

        assumptions are not facts, and you have absolutely no evidence to support them, and use fallacies such as to say that all the estates of the superman’s reaction speed is nanosecond is just a hyperbole to make the feat more impressive and that without showing absolutely no evidence to support their arguments

        “Superman’s not nanosecond material even if he acts like it at times.”

        if it really is not nanosecond then why sometimes it reacted in nanoseconds when it saved the anti matter babe?

        because the superman himself is saying that he can measure time in nanoseconds if he was not able to do it? because knowing the superman he is not a guy who would exaggerate his abilities if he could not do it

        furthermore if the superman is not attosecond, how did he accelerate his perceptions to be able to keep up with the flash?

        and why one of his authors said that he could speed up his perceptions to see everything in attoseconds if he could not do it?

        the testimony of the superman’s exploits and that of his author completely stripped his arguments

        “I’m not saying Superman is the best because he’s excited.I’m saying he’s the best because he’s the best.We’ve seen him really use his speed in practical environments.He is still beaten by slow opponents but “I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to do it,” he said.

        Yes, the cartoon superman is fast, but not as fast as the comic book superman who traveled in time just running, who traveled light years just flying, I know that the cartoon superman is very fast only not as fast as the he in the comics

        “He still gets beaten up by rather slow opponents but for the most part this version of Superman is not messing around.

        but, let’s just remind you that luffy also does not take advantage of this, as it was also hit by slow enemies, ah yeah, that’s the cartoon superman (which is not canonical).

        “He’s here to win and that’s what I like about the portrayal. He’s just a lot more impressive.”

        but he is very weak when compared to the comic book superman.

      • “assumptions are not facts, and you have absolutely no evidence to support them, and use fallacies such as to say that all the estates of the superman’s reaction speed is nanosecond is just a hyperbole to make the feat more impressive and that without showing absolutely no evidence to support their arguments”

        That’s true. Still, Luffy can keep up with Superman in speed. I’d like to see Superman try to deal with someone like Rob Lucci.

        “Yes, the cartoon superman is fast, but not as fast as the comic book superman who traveled in time just running, who traveled light years just flying, I know that the cartoon superman is very fast only not as fast as the he in the comics”

        That’s false. In the cartoons Superman is able to move so fast that guys like the Flash have a hard time hitting him. We see him in motion and he proves his speed. I’d like to see the comic Superman do this. Superman has lost to bank robbers in the past, lets not forget that. I’d like to see something like that happen to Luffy.

        Superman can’t handle Luffy

      • “That’s true. Still, Luffy can keep up with Superman in speed. I’d like to see Superman try to deal with someone like Rob Lucci.”

        I’m impressed the way you indulge all the facts, superman has already shown that he can match his speed with that of sprinters like flash, wally west, professor zoom (who are the fastest sprinters of all fiction)


        and rob lucci is at maximum faster than a blink of an eye

        “That’s false.In the cartoons Superman is able to move so fast that guys like the Flash have a hard time hitting him.We see him in motion and he proves his speed. I’ve got to robberies in the past, let’s not forget that. I’d like to see something like that happen to Luffy. ”

        and that’s just because he did not let the flash hit him in cartoons, it does not mean he can not do it in comics, in addition superman has already made things much more impressive in comics.

        he reached out and picked up the flash that was moving so fast it changed reality

        http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping2.jpg.html

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        catches professor zoom

        reacted to flash slow down

        reality blitz missiles catches

        and Superman’s reality blitzing missile feat according to this http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/reality-blitzing-missiles-revised.35590/ is at least 5.2596E19c or 52 quintillion times the speed of light.

        plus you mentioned the fact that the TV PROGRAMS superman has lost bank robbers, but that becomes totally irrelevant when we consider that this is not canonical, without saying that this is something totally out of context, and honest debaters would not consider things out of context, which of course is not your case.

        “Superman can not handle Luffy”

        you often indulge everything I’ve shown you, use non-canonical fonts like cartoons, use things out of context, and if you are going to use things out of context I would use the fact that you have already been hurt by a slap of nami and magma .

        and you have so far not shown manga scans to support your arguments

      • “plus you mentioned the fact that the TV PROGRAMS superman has lost bank robbers, but that becomes totally irrelevant when we consider that this is not canonical, without saying that this is something totally out of context, and honest debaters would not consider things out of context, which of course is not your case.”

        There isn’t much context to be had there. I am as honest a debater as you will ever find so if I say something then it must be true. Lets just face the facts, Superman loses a lot of the time.

        “you often indulge everything I’ve shown you, use non-canonical fonts like cartoons, use things out of context, and if you are going to use things out of context I would use the fact that you have already been hurt by a slap of nami and magma .”

        Being hurt by Nami’s slap is just toon force. It’s noit a serious moment. As for the magma guy, that guy was impressively strong so that was fine. My manga scans are coming up in the next comment I am preparing

      • “There isn’t much context to be had there. I am as honest a debater as you will ever find so if I say something then it must be true. Lets just face the facts, Superman loses a lot of the time.”

        if it does not even have a context, then it does not even deserve to be mentioned, this situation is irrelevant just for the simple fact that it is not canonical and out of context, and superman wins others and loses some, just like any other character (including Luffy). The moment you mentioned is not even canonical.

        “Being hurt by Nami’s slap is just toon force. It’s noit a serious moment”

        that’s what I mean, it’s so crude and so out of context that it does not even deserve to be taken seriously, just like the fact that he lost bank robbers

        “As for the magma guy, that guy was impressively strong so that was fine. My manga scans are coming up in the next comment I am preparing”

        but superman withstood higher temperatures than the sun’s core and luffy got hurt for magma, and I saw his exploits

      • “if it does not even have a context, then it does not even deserve to be mentioned, this situation is irrelevant just for the simple fact that it is not canonical and out of context, and superman wins others and loses some, just like any other character (including Luffy). The moment you mentioned is not even canonical.”

        Being canonical doesn’t matter much so long as the scene felt important though. I think the scene had a lot of weight behind it so it deserved to get mentioned. It’s also a serious moment and not played for laughs or anything so we have to take it into consideration.

        “that’s what I mean, it’s so crude and so out of context that it does not even deserve to be taken seriously, just like the fact that he lost bank robbers”

        Completely different though. One scene was comedy, the other was serious.

        “but superman withstood higher temperatures than the sun’s core and luffy got hurt for magma, and I saw his exploits”

        An attack is a whole different can of worms though. When you’re attacked it makes the effect a whole lot more lethal.

    • “The problem is that he also gets blasted just as easily by other opponents. With Luffy you can bet that he will not get hit unless he wills it to be so.”

      he picked up the professor zoom, who has attosecond reaction certainly not anyone who hits him, and this feat you showed does not prove anything

      • Yes, but Superman has also lost to bank robbers in the past among others. Why didn’t the Luffy feat prove that he was FTL? It did if you ask me

  7. sthength

    superman has shown that his strength is planetary level



    solar system level

    black hole level

    and he has already closed a hole in reality with his hands

    and his strength has already reached immeasurable levels

    in his struggle against his version of another reality, his punches were so potent that they broke the boundaries of space time and reality

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    he crushed endless realities

    in the fight against dominus he destroyed the four reality created by him

    lifted a book of infinite pages

    he lift spectre, being that it has weight of the whole existence (or his foot is infinite




    fights

    superman already faced powerful enemies some being able to destroy the whole existence

    in action comics # 976 he faces mr mxy

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/aj9SNyAoewbo5uX2WMkhj3jkTLadE6Pz_YQXKax1rkafZLED3TKcWmM4Rd6uDuSUrEqQKUbZIXHCN8BdXoJUJa6pqLQgWXah4S6ezHPgTbGc99Qv_eR7iQAzfOmXJc7RhRU3xw=s1600
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    he fought the emperor joker

    http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/superman-emperor-joker/1/231.jpg goes like this












    destroyed imperiex probes (who possess the power of the big bang)

    http://www.narutoforums.com/threads/imperiex-respect-thread.1057849/

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    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supermancutsloose1.jpg.html

    he fought against dominus a being who possesses power to obliterate the multiverse

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    http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Dominus_Effect

    https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr…hierarchy-thread.313227/page-24#post-17660746

    he has already faced a monster called s’ivaa that can destroy all existence

    Superman harms and tanks attacks from Nebula Man / Qwewq / Neh-Buh-Loh, who is a living, conscious universe.

    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/consciousuniverse.jpg.html

    he has already faced the legion of gogs whose are on the same level as sky father

    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvsgogs2.jpg.html

    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvsgogs3.jpg.html

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    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvsgogs5.jpg.html

    several times already defeated the darkseid one of the most feared beings in the dc universe

    http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesdsapoknow1.jpg.html
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    after this little analysis of the character, it is clear that luffy has no chance against superman

    he has faced characters that can destroy the multiverse and the rest of existence, lifted infinite weight.

    sorry but superman is way beyond the limits of luffy

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