Suggested by Big Red Thor is a powerful Avenger and is certainly one of their strongest members. That being said, he won’t be able to keep up with Mewtwo’s speed. Mewtwo was already one of the strongest Pokemon in the entire franchise before he got Mega Mode. With that, Mewtwo is hands down the strongest Pokemon in all of history. His raw power is nothing to sneeze at, but his speed is really the important thing here. Thor simply won’t be able to land any meaningful blows on Mewtwo and the Pokemon’s attacks will start to add up. It is simply a fight that Thor cannot win. Mewtwo wins.
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Agreed. Thor is really, REALLY Slow.
Only comparitively though. Thor has a reasonable amount of super speed next to his Marvel peers.
Thor wasn’t even fast enough to tag Wolverine and Daredevil.
True, but that’s more plot hax and bad writing than anything else.
I see there are two idiots among us.
Ok for one mewtwo’s arsenal is more vast but really does not have the power neccesary to beat thor.
Hell thor is far stronger in terms of power.
Sure mewtwo has been able to teleport an entire lake but thor can take on world breaker hulk who can destroy a universe 60 times over.
Now in terms of speed you may think mewtwo has the advantage as both you two idiots mentioned.
But hell thor really beats mewtwo in speed as well.
and if you think mewtwo could just wipe thor’s memory or control his mind, thor has resistance to both mind erasing and controlling attacks.
Besides thor is far more experienced then mewtwo, cause he has been fighting for centuries.
Plus with mjonir, thor can just absorb all of mewtwo’s long ranged attacks and hell also drain mewtwo’s energy with mjolnir too.
Now keep in mind im reffering to COMIC BOOK THOR for this one
Not cartoon thor, not movie thor, comic book thor
can cartoon thor beat mewtwo? maybe, it depends, i say maybe cause the cartoon version or thor as well as others like iron man and the hulk are so inconsistent in the cartoons.
Can movie thor beat mewtwo? probably, i mean i dont think mewtwo can even last 10 seconds agiants thanos , at least thor put up a good fight even if he was not in his prime.
Ha, you like that? That’s what Mewtwo would say as he speedblitzes. So we’ve gotta get some things into perspective here. First, Hulk destroying a universe 60 times over was hyperbole. He’s barely more than a multi planet buster even in that form. Thor has a lot of power though for sure as I’ve always stacked him above Hulk. That said, Mewtwo would be peppering him with shadow balls the whole time and it’s hard to escape from that.
As for speed, Mewtwo was fighting Genesect on even pacing and that Pokemon was crazy. I can buy into the mind control part as I never put much stock into that ability anyway.
Thor would have to be careful trying to block Mewtwo’s attacks or his hammer would just shatter like when he fought against Hela. Of course I do agree that comic book Thor is the strongest version of him except for EMH Thor, but even so, Mewtwo still has the speed for this. Thor has great reaction times but isn’t used to really running after an opponent like this. Mewtwo shoudl be able to keep the upper hand and I would put Mewtwo above Thanos as well.
Even if thor was just a multiplanet buster that still puts him leagues above mewtwo’s lake teleportation feat. Thor hits harder then any pokemon you can think of, though maybe arcues could be a exception, but it depends. and besides what the hell is the point of using ranged attacks when your opponent can suck them all up. and no mewtwo does not have the power needed to destroy mjlonir and plus, thats movie thor’s mjolnir, not comic book thor’s. even still, hela is the goddes of death and posses a shit ton of physical strength. plus there are theory’s saying she was able to break it cause odin died moments before she destroyed it.
Next while genesect is fast, its not light speed, and thor is all about the light speed attacks, specifically comic book thor, cartoon thor and movie thor are nerfed cause they need the show and film to be interesting. and thor’s travel speed is also much faster.
Without the power
speed
and arsenal neccesary.
Thor can deal with mewtwo quickly.
And also side note your an idiot for putting mewtwo above thanos.
Thanos can survive star level attacks even without his armour and infinity gauntlet while mewtwo can barely take city level attacks.
And if you think mewtwo can just overpower thanos cause scarlet witch who is also a telekinesis user did before, no, scarlet surpasses mewtwo’s telekinesis by a long shot, and even then its the movie versions of them, comic book versions of them are far stronger.
Hell the infinity gauntlet can bend all of mewtwo’s attacks back at him.
Can reverse time if things go wrong
Or hell the legendary snap can erase mewtwo from the fight.
I would definitely put Mewtwo above Thanos, he scales above all Marvel characters. The reason I’m so confident in his strength is because of his combat speed. I have yet to see any comic book fighter battle at the level he and Mew were going at it in the movie. Thor is very strong, but he wouldn’t be able to keep up with the speed and his hammer couldn’t block the Shadow Balls for very long.
Then you have Thanos who I have as being a bit weaker than Thor. He does have great defenses but again the attacks would keep peppering him into oblivion. The main issue that both Thor and Thanos face is that they would not be able to land any convincing blows against Mewtwo. Mewtwo would always just stay one step ahead of them and his speed ensures that this will never change. He’s just way too powerful and resourceful.
I keep seeing you overestimate characters powers by far too much, like fr i can tell shitly you fucking hate the dc and marvel universes cause people keep hitting you with the truth.
Why the fuck does combat speed matter.
just cause your fast does not mean you win.
sure mewtwo is fast and in the movie he does dish out some speed feats, but what gives you the impression that mewtwo has the power needed to bring thanos or thor down? at best he teleported a lake, while thor and thanos have wiped out armies, and thor’s hammer is not blocking shadow balls, he is absorbign them with mjolnir, cause he can do that, and like i said thor can just will the energy out of someone. Like mewtwo is not even light speed and yet both thanos and thor had light speed combat feats in the comics before, heres the thing
You look into the animations of a certain show and you thinkt to yourself that since their are cool animations and there going really fast and its really cool. but when you look at the combat speed feats in comics your like meh, it does not show enough proof. like what the hell are you
12?
mewtwo has never even shown lightning fast speed feats either, why the hell can you say his speed can beat thanos and thor if he has never shown lightning fast speed while thor and thanos have?
plus you think thanos and thor are just gonna stand there as they get pummled with shadow balls or aura spheres? if it was thanos he would probably turn those shadow balls into somethign else and fire it towards mewtwo, or hell creates sheilds to block the attack. and if it was thor he would just absorb them with mjolnir. or use lightning to counter it. Like hell, a hit from thor’s hammer is gonna leave quite a dent on mewtwo. hell even more if its with thanos.
mewtwo is not a god, while these 2 are.
and when it comes to stats, mewtwo’s defense and special defenses are the lowest, sure his speed is pretty decent but never has it been light speed fast, unlike thanos and thor who have had light speed clashes before.
Look, lets say I am 12, that doesn’t take away from my master debating skills. You’re right that feats shown in animation will always trump comics. That’s because in comics you have to go by images and without a transition it’s a little harder to spot check everyone. You still can of course but in animation you will be at your strongest. That’s what it means to be at your best. So the advantage often goes to anime characters for that reason. I do want to get the record straight and say that I do like Marvel and DC characters though. They’re a lot of fun even if they can’t keep up with the big leaguers.
Mewtwo turned into a ball of light while fighting Mew. They were both likely FTL at that point. Thanos and Thor won’t have a choice in the matter. They’re going to be getting thrown around like an old sack of potatoes the whole time and won’t have any real way to defend themselves. They’re outnumbered and outgunned. When you’re losing out in both of those options then there isn’t much of a chance of victory here.
Combat speed is important because at the end of the day it is the single most important stat in any fight. Without that you are getting absolutely devastated by everybody in your way. It’s just how these things work out and don’t forget that Mewtwo shook the entire planet with his weather and did so casually. Throw in mega evolution and that’s a wrap
Your far from a master debater, a master debater does not judge characters skill based off how good looking the animations are. just cause anime has more cool animates then a simple comic does not make them superior, in fact it makes the person saying it sound stupid.
First of all mewtwo, that ball of light is not light speed, you may think its light speed cause its a ball of light but its mostly some kind of battering ram barrier that mew and mewtwo created. even so, if it was ftl then what gives you the reason to think that its gonna kill thor? or hell thanos, thanos has created barriers himself and has taken star level attacks, yet your saying mewtwo hitting thanos several times is gonna kill him? combat speed in your eyes is complete bullshit
your just basing characters off on how fast they move during fights without giving a actual record to how fast it really is. just cause thor and thanos have not had cool flashy fats effects in an animation does not mean they lose.
Like if you look in every debate that other peopel do, there basing them off of feats, not fucking combat speed. besides speed is not everything, just cause your fats does not mean you have good power or durability. Thor has kept up with people with FTL reactio and speed so he can macth mewtwo easily, not to mention thor is far too durable for mewtwo to handle. As for the storm, what the hell is mewtwo meant to do with that storm huh? besides even so, while mewtwo has a planetary storm, Thor has a cosmic storm, and that cosmic storm is legit inside of mjolnir. meanign thor can simply control mewtwo’s storms with mjolnir. plus like i said he can absorb and redirect energy attacks like mewto’s shadow balls. not to mention mjolnir can turn thor invisible and intangible, hell even travel through time and bring people back to life, that hammer is far more stronger then what you saw in the cartoons and movies. plus thor has another weapon he can use called jarnbjorn, and mewto cant detsroy it cause its legit unbreakable.
plus thor has a killer move called godblast, which can kill galactus, and once you say mewtwo can beat galactus, every person within a 200k radius would try to find your location and kill you if you said that.
besides thor could take on sentry and sentry can match world breaker hulk, who can destroy a universe 120 times over, not even arceus has managed that.
hell thor has tanked beams that destroy his atoms,
and whilemega mewtwo is strong, thor too has a super form called warriors madness, this increases his already universe destroying power by tenfold
just how the fuck is mewtwo supposed to beat thor when he cant even managed a continent level attack, meanwhile thor over here can destroy a universe 120 times over
fight an army for over a month straight
has a weapon that legit can absorb all of mewtwo’s ranged attacks
as well as make him intangible and invisible
and defeated ares, who can fight within a span of plank time, aka the shortest amount of time we can imagine.
think of plank time like this
there are as many plank times in a second, as there are grains of sand on earth, and not just one earth 10 billion of them.
and i made a mistake with thor destroying a universe 120 times over, i meant he can destroy the marvel universe 120 times over, which is MUCH bigger then the pokemon universe and our own
I gotta defend myself here though. They call me a master debater since I’ve been doing this for so many years. I’ve debated just about everything in the past and I just keep getting better. That’s the scary part, I learn new techniques each time.
I do think Mewtwo would beat Galactus though. I’ve been debating for close to a year how Greninja would beat Galactus and it’s a very similar matchup. Mewtwo has the speed to take this.
Now for the combat speed, I talk about it a lot because I consider it to be very important. You need combat speed if you want to be able to win the big fights and that’s why it’s the most important attribute of them all. Without combat speed you can’t overcome deficits in the other stats like power. Thor does have a lot of great abilities like Mjolnir and the god blast but he won’t be able to land those hits on Mewtwo. Mewtwo is just too fast and would manage to stay a step ahead as always. Thor’s best bet here is to get Mewtwo off balance and try to hit him while he’s distracted but that’s not going to be easy either. Lets face it, this is Mewtwo’s match to win or lose, nobody’s about to stop him.
Dude im pretty sure a regular person who watches or talks about debate matches would know that a fuckign ninja frog would lose to a god that threatens the infinite multiverse. How tf does greninja and mewtwo meant to go up agiants a god thats fucking bigger then the planet earth.
Second of all, why combat speed, just say fucking normal speed, normal speed and combat speed are the same, if you say reaction speed or movement speed then its reasonable.
speed is not everything.
I said this so many times, just cause your faster does not always mean your tougher and stronger and posses good abilities. Besides i already explained that thor can match ares in speed and ares can move in plank time, meanwhile your stupid ass has not even shown how fast mewtwo is, even if mewtwo was lightning fast thor would still be faster. so i want proof, proof of mewtwo actually being faster then plank time.
Here’s the link to the fight:
Check it out, you may be surprised at some of the good points I’m bringing up in there. This is no ordinary frog, Greninja is incredibly powerful and I would make the case that he can casually planet bust based on how he hits the ground.
Combat speed is much better than normal speed though. It has more uses and ultimately it’s what you really want if you want to win the fight.
I will agree that speed doesn’t always win fights but if you are faster than your opponent and your hits can damage him then I would say you’re probably winning 9 times out of 10.
All right I’ll get you some speed feats showing why Mewtwo’s speed is completely insane
I could not fucking believe what i saw in that fight
i feel so bad for the dude there who had to deal with your bullshit.
Greninja has not fucking accomplished light speed feats nor anything planetary, meanwhile galactus here is eating planets.
combat speed is legit the fucking same as normal speed. your acting like its a fucking extra skill when in reality its the same fucking thing.
and dude if your not strong or powerful enough to hurt the guy then what your doign is pointless and it wont get you anywhere, besides mewtwo cant dodge forever, hell agiants thor you should pray that mewtwo survives at least 5 strikes from his hammer.
And btw if i dont get a speed feat thats faster then plank time or hell light speed then i win
Greninja has incredible feats though. He just keeps on going and I explained why he would stomp Galactus. It’s all about the fundamentals and his core abilities that the other fighters just can’t keep up with. Trust me on this one, it would be a very long day for Galactus.
As for combat speed, nah it’s different. Put it this way, Naruto is massively FTL in combat speed but in normal speed we still see him run through the village like normal even in a serious situation. He isn’t able to cross the planet in an instant or anything like that guy.
I’ve got you covered on the speed feats. Check this out:
https://gfycat.com/delayedpitifuldrever
Mewtwo flying so fast he turns into light.
Flying so fast there are after images and he’s dodging lasers.
In general I recommend watching the Mewtwo vs Genesect film. It’s got all the best feats in one place there. It was incredible!
God danm you put 0 effort into your research, for one, if your a guy who eats planets daily, and your a ninja frog who gets beaten by the evil version of puff the magic dragon. i dont think its hard to say who tf would win.
When you say combat speed. your thinking how fast there moving during fights, but your like nah to every other speed feat teh character show. besides thor has already shown ftl speed feats during combat before so idk why the hell you keep talking, i already said to you he could.
As for the proof you showed me, im just dissapointed.
Idk which is worse for the first one
the fact that mewtwo has not even reached lightning fast speed with him traveling.
or the fact that you think that he was turning into a beam of light.
Man was not moving at light speed at the time, hell, the mega mewtwo brinign genesect to space feat was much more faster.
as for the second one, yes i have watched the movie, no shit, mewtwo my fav pokemon no shit im gonna watch the movie, and i have, when i was little.
but like you said, its a laser feat. and a laser feat is not even close to plank time. did you even try to figure out what the hell plank time even is?
long story short you failed ot bring me evidence of mewtwo being faster then plank time.
Something i also forgot to mention was that thor was just far more durable and had the means to outlast mewtwo, cause he is the same guy that fought an army for over a month straight. meaning mewtwo would not be able to maintain his speed nor strength for as long as thor can
Mewtwo won’t need to maintain his speed and strength for that long though because he would be putting Thor down. Thor is durable but not durable enough to the point where he could no sell Mewtwo’s attacks. He would be eating several Shadow Balls here and they all deal massive amounts of damage. What is Thor going to do to try and stay out of his way?
No I thought my research was real good. Sure Galactus eats planets but Greninja has super speed and a lot of attack power. He is always moving fastr than the casual fighter and would be putting Galactus away.
Combat speed is important. Lets take Thor as a good example since you brought him up. He often gets hit by Iron man or other villains who aren’t that fast. He is able to tank the blows no doubt about that but isn’t fast enough to just dodge them. That’s still really good but not enough to deal with someone like Mewtwo who just doesn’t get hit. He uses his speed the right way and always is able to dodge the attacks. The Mewtwo taking Genesect to space feat was amazing so I’ll agree with you there.
Plank time is just faster than the speed of gravity it takes for a plank to hit the ground when you’ve taken the weight off of it right? That’s slower than what I showed for Mewtwo here so I think that’s pretty much set. Mewtwo is just in a completely different league and it’s not even close.
The last paragraph has me rolling, it was so stupid, i cannot believe your this lazy.
First off i already explained thor can absorb ranged attacks with mjolnir. and second, thor has taken star to universe level attacks and survived, what is mewtwo’s shadow balls a universal attack?
Second fo all, galactus is bigger then the earth itself, greninja would just be an ant. how is speed meant to stop something that is larger then you 100x over and prob more. galactus would just eat up earth along with the thousands of greninja and pokemon that inhabit it.
First off your saying iron man is not fast which is untrue, iron man can recat down to the picosecond thanks to friday. and other villans have been capable of the same.
And dont act like mewtwo never gets hit, in the movie there have been times where the dude was shot down by the same lasers once and fell to the ground, and that was when he was mega evolved.
and for the last time, im just fucking speechless, that is not what i mean by plank time. here is the definition of planck time, (this whole time i spelled it wrong, its spelled planck time)
“Planck time is roughly 10−44 seconds. However, to date, the smallest time interval that was measured was 10−21 seconds, a “zeptosecond.” One Planck time is the time it would take a photon travelling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length.”
and btw, there are as many planck times as there are many grains of sand on earth, thats how fast thor can move and react, or hell 10 billion earths in thor’s real case.
Thor has taken those attacks but it’s a big difference from taking an attack and then taking a ton of them. Mewtwo can legitimately spam these moves and at that point there is no way to stop him. Mjolnir has been broken several times in the past after all.
As for Greninja, it’s a good thing that he’s so small. Galactus will have a hard time targeting him and will be on the defensive throughout. What this means is that Greninja can really just deal with him at will. There will be no way to escape his hard hitting attacks at all. Galactus will just have to come to terms with the fact that he is completely doomed here and that’s not an easy thing to live with. It would be a true game over moment here.
Iron Man has good reaction times but I wouldn’t say he was super fast though. As for Mewtwo getting hit, he has gotten hit for sure but by super fast lasers like you mentioned. no shame in that.
As for planck time, okay that’s interesting. So that’s pretty fast for sure but I would argue that’s not combat speed since we see Thor getting wrecked by the Wrecking Crew, none of them really have any good speed feats. So Mewtwo just has to zip around and keep pelting him with hits. Thor will not be getting up after that, the attacks would deal far too much damage
Dude do you fucking think thor is just gonna stand there and get hit, for one he has taken much more attacks then a couple of shadow balls, two, the dude is FAR more of an expirenced fighter then mewtwo, 3 he fought an army for over a month straight, im pretty sure a couple of shadow balls are not taht big of a deal, and 4, what gennerally makes you think mewtwo posses the strength to destroy mjolnir, like just cause it can be broken does not mean you posses the power to destroy it.
greninja’s attacks would be nothing but bug bites to galactus, and plus the dude can just eat the whole planet if he cant find greninja. greninja cant survive in space so he gonna die either way if galactus pulls up.
as for mewtwo dodging lasers, yeah sure its expected he gets hit, but your the same guythat says he does not get it, and besides mewtwo is not dodging lasers in this fight, rn he is trying to dodge a fucking god of thunder who can move 200 quadrillion times faster then him. this god is faster then the lasers he has fought.
And dude, wtf do you mean its not combat speed. thats the precise calculation for how fast ares is fucking moving. and thor keeps up with this dudes speed.
besides what makes you think thor dodging multiple attackks from ares is not combat speed, but fucking mewtwo dodging a few lasers is?
It’s not that Thor will stand there but he won’t be fast enough to dodge or defend himself. That’s what will really get him into a lot of hot water here. No matter how much he tries to run, evade, and dodge, it just won’t be enough. Mewtwo’s speed is absolutely crazy.
Mewtwo could destroy Mjolnir because his shadow balls are pure power. Mjolnir has been shown to exceed its limit when attacked directly and that’s what Mewtwo would do here. His Shadow Ball can be spammed and the hits would quickly start to add up until there’s just nothing that the guy can do.
As for Greninja, his attacks also deal a lot of damage. It comes back to the point on how Galactus wouldn’t be fast or strong enough to dodge the attacks. So he would have to keep on eating them until he goes down and that’s where things get dicey for him. At that point there’s just no way he could stay in the game or survive long enough to do much of anything. Great durability is not enough for a fight like this because the hits add up.
Mewtwo dodging lasers is more impressive than dodging Thor. Have you seen all of the villains who constantly out speed Thor and just keep on landing attacks? This Avenger would be completely out of luck here. Ares isn’t very fast either so that’s not a very impressive feat for Thor.
Dude i already said thor can move as fast as planck time so idk why you keep saying mewtwo is faster tbh. mewtwo has dodged a laser, and hell we dont knwo if genesects laser is a legit laser or its a light speed laser.
mewtwo cannot destroy mjolnir simply because he does not posses the power needed too. Shadow balls are just another classic projectile. why do you think its strong enough to destroy mjolnir. its never shown that much strength compared to others who have actually broken mjolnir.
Hell like i said, thor can just use mjolnir to will out the energy out of mewtwo.
Another thing is why tf does speed matter when galactus can just eat the planet up along wiht greninja, where is greninja meant to go now after the planet is eaten? he would just die in space if he tried to escape the planet all together. and greninja’s attacks would be pretty much nothign to galactus, galactus is a being who threatens the infinite multiverse, i dont think greninja has that level of power
People who have out spe or kept up with thor comes from two factors,
One your focusing on both movie and cartoon thor, and those two versions were more nerfed then sasuke and naruto in the boruto anime. but comic book thor, the one i have been fucking talking about this entire time you moron, has done more shit that you cant even compare it to the movie and cartoon version.
And dude once agian, planck time is WAY faster then laser dodging. so why tf would you say ares is not that fast dumbass
Ares isn’t that fast though. The whole planck time thing is a lot more impressive but bringing up Ares is pretty much an anti feat. All you’re doing by bringing him up is making me feel like Thor’s not ready for this kind of fight. You would not see Mewtwo struggling at all against someone like Ares because the speed difference is much too vast. It’s like a whole universe of difference between these fighters. You’re comparing Ares against one of the world’s strongest Pokemon of all time? No sir!
I would actually argue that EMH animated Thor is his strongest portrayal out of al the Thors. He was able to catch the big gravitational blast from Graviton without a sweat. I’d like to see the others try that.
Mewtwo’s shadow ball was able to deal damage to Mew and lets not forget that he also murdered Ash. Thor won’t be able to absorb that much energy, he would blow up like Yakon. No you need something more than power absorption here. You need unlimited power of an insane degree and not just anyone can pull that off. It’s just too difficult.
As for Greninja, he would be spamming Galactus with power blows constantly with such ferocity that the big guy would go down before he could take down the planet. Greninja has been shown to make holes in the very ground itself and he’s taken on many powerful Pokemon before. Galactus doesn’t want any of that smoke.
When i brang up ares, ares was the guy who moves as fast as Planck time. And thor kept up with ares in battle. And key word being think, you think bringing up ares is an anti feat but in reality its legit another feat that gives thor more wins. and ares was stated to be one of the strongest gods out there, ares would destroy mewtwo without even trying.
Comic book thor is the strongest no debate, that blast was nothing close to his comic book self facing off agiants world breaker hulk who can destroy a universe 200x over.
No shit mewtwo’s shadow ball damaged mew cause for one shadow ball is a ghost tpe move and mew is a psychic type, psychic is weak to ghost types and two there both equally matched cause mewtwo is the off spring of mew or the clone of mew. And bringing up mewtwo killling ash is porb just another desperate attempt to get mewtwo to win, Killing ash, a regular human, is no big feat.
And no dude thor’s absorption does not have a limit. besides he does not just have to absorb all of mewtwo’s attacks he can dodge some and shoot lightning at them too.
and im not gonna explain the last part with greninja cause your too stupid to understand, like far too stupid, there was a guy who was trying to explain to you how galactus beats greninja and i feel so bad for him cause he had to deal with talking to a idiot, its obviously a big troll and a lie to piss people off.
Ares? Planck time may not be as impressive as you’re thinking then because that guy is slow. He’s always a power type that gets rocked by everybody in his way. I wouldn’t consider him to be one of the more impressive guys that Thor has gone up against. You’d have better luck using Hyperion or Sentry to grab the feats here. Mewtwo would solo these guys.
Comic book Thor is strong and all but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that he’s as fast as EMH Thor with his combat speed or that he can defend himself as well. Power without speed is just not worth it.
I admit that destroying Ash isn’t the most impressive thing out there but I thought it was worth noting. Either way the important thing to remember here is that Mewtwo was absolutely giving Mew the hands. Type advantage or not, it showed that he had a whole lot of power. Mewtwo can block Thor’s lightning with his own psychic abilities so that’s not going to really be helping Thor there much at all. He’s going to be on the defensive a whole lot.
Nah, Greninja beats Galactus. I see that you saw his comments but did you see mine? I was going in with all the evidence and everything! I wasn’t holding back, I just took it as far as I could and showed why Greninja is an existential threat to the multiverse. Or at the very least he’s planetary level but if Galactus dying does trigger the end of everything then the former still holds true
You underestimate ares greatly, im not suprised cause you underestimate every character in marvel and dc history if their up againts an anime character, im not saying the marvel and dc universe is stronger then the anime verse thats not the point.
Planck time is actually the lowest reaction time in the irl world. its faster then light and the laser feats mewtwo had, keeping in mind we dont knwo if genesects techno blast laser is actually laser fast speed or if its light speed, based on what it was shown it really did not seem like a light nor laser feta but im gonna assume it is because planck time outspeeds it way better.
Once agian combat speed same as normal speed L+ratio
im far too lazy to explain just how stupid you are and its obvious this whole thing is a troll.
There are debaters out there who just suck at debating and you even said debating is your job?
No one is gonna pay you to find out which character can beat the other character.
Its crazy to think there are human beings out there who think mewtwo can beat somebody who can destroy a universe 200x over. and can move 200 quadrillion times faster then the purple cat. hell thats prob not even the correct calculations its prob even more faster.
Ares isn’t that tough though. Are we talking about the same guy? This dude??
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Nooooo, man trust me you’re getting lost in the sauce here. This guy’s not too tough. Now I’m not saying that DC and Marvel are weak but they’re not nearly as powerful as the anime verse. That’s just the way that all the balls bounce. Thor’s fought a lot of faster and stronger guys in the past but fighting Ares is not a good feat. Give me the Genesect blasts any day. We don’t know if it’s light speed or not but it certainly looked really fast so it’s probably better than plank speed.
Combat speed is different than normal speed though so I have to return that L. Put it this way, I can run to the deli in under 5 minutes but in a fight I can’t move that fast. It’s all about perspective and chronic sleeping.
Debating is my job though. I’ve run this site for 10 years and this is how I make my income. Look at the views. I do this not just as a hobby or as my passion but because it’s the right thing to do. I be taking names and showing people what’s up.
Mewtwo absolutely solos. You have to remember than moving that fast isn’t impressive unless it’s in a combat context. Likewise, destroying the universe is no good if you aren’t fast enough to hit the target.
Dude its specifically said ares can move at planck time speeds, planck time speeds are faster then laser feats by a HUGE amount. to you he is not fast cause he is shown in a fucking comic book and not a anime show. Even science itself backs up that planck time is faster then lasers.
your deli thing just proved my point agian, if someone is able to run to a deli market in under 5 minutes, (of course depending on how far this deli market is) then there likely really fast and have alot of stamina to do so, therfore in a fight they would accel in speed.
and once agian dude, ares and thor fought each other and it was stated during their fight that he was battling thor at planck time speeds.
Debating is not a actual real job, no one is actually gonna pay people to do this shit for ten years, hell your doing a shit job anyway so you might as well be fired.
besides like i said, you have not proven how strong mewtwo is so therfore i wont believe he has the strength needed to take down thor, thor is someone who can fight army’s for over a month straight and can destroy a universe 200x over, since mewtwo cant macth thor’s speed, if he cant match his endurance and strength either, its gg
Dude this guy?
He’s not even a bullet timer. Ares has never been a fast fighter like that. He just gets wrecked constantly in the comics and nobody takes him seriously. Even in the shows he never looks all that tough. I’m not saying that he’s weak but give me the Mewtwo speed feats any day of the week and I’m going with that. It’s the best way to go about this.
My deli example supports my point though. Just because you can run there in 5 minutes doesn’t mean that you’ll be dodging someone’s punches in a fight. It’s why not every track and field star is a great boxer. It’s a different set of skills.
I’ve been getting paid to be a debater for years through ad revenue man. I’m a professional debater and I’d say that my track record speaks for itself. They call me the GOAT of debating and I don’t take that title lightly. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire as they say. So when you see a big debate brewing, odds are that I’ll be there to drop the facts.
Thor has great feats but Mewtwo shook the entire planet and broke an island by powering up. He has the raw power to hit Thor and the speed to stay one step ahead of him at all times. It’s why he is the strongest Pokemon to ever live, or at least one of them
Dude that was ares at his weakest
Ares in the future was far more faster, there are many people out there in the world that. Even so thot has already blocked laser beams as well anyway but of course his Planck time feat makes him far faster
Mewtwo did not destroy an island by powering up, he only teleported that island. And it’s not even close to a planetary attack. Show me that mewtwo has destroyed at least maybe a planet and then let me know if he can do the same thing with a universe 120x over. Let me know when mewtwo has fought an entire war for over a month straight and let me know
Fair but Ares just never looked all that impressive in terms of speed or power.
No, Mewtwo completely blew it up. I’m talking about the opening scene in the movie when he launches from the ground into the sky as his armor goes away. That was a complete island busting feat which was absolute insanity since it wasn’t even an attack. We can probably scale that up by whole tiers
Just cause someone does not look all speed and power does not mean they aren’t.
Second of all even if we were to assume mewtwo flying out of the island was a island busting feat. What makes you think it scales up to a guy who can destroy a planet no universe nearly 120x over? Even if we did not include Thor’s Planck time feat. Thor has reacted down to nano seconds and even dodged lasers himself.
True but Ares just isn’t that dude. Now for Mewtwo, yeah he blew up that island with ease. Just take a look at the gif, it’s really impressive. I would say it scales up because Thor would have to keep tanking those blows over and over which will deal a massive blow to his psyche and spirit. Thor can’t take those blows for too long even with his impressive durability
Read the comics cause ares is far more impressive then what you think. Thor has taken universal attacks to the face and it was no big deal for him. Second of all you missed the part when I said Thor could react down to nanoseconds and the fact that he has dodges lasers consistently before. And like actual lasers cause once agian those lasers that genesect used did not look like actual lasers.
Thor has been fighting Far more longer then mewtwo, so he is highly expirence so he would be able to counter a lot of mewtwo’s attacks and think of a way to take him down. Not that he would need to work hard. One good mighty swing with mjolnir and mewtwo is either dead or barely alive. If Thor has dodged lasers like mewtwo but has strength to destroy universes. Well idk how you think mewtwo wins
Thor and Ares have good feats, I won’t disregard that but they aren’t ready for Mewtwo. Thor has dodged lasers but dodging Mewtwo’s energy ball is a whole other object. Mewtwo can just spam those and blocking with the hammer is probably not a good idea in case it ends up breaking. If that were to happen then it would truly be game over.
why would mewtwo’s shadow balls be deadly to thor? at best they have been able to shatter stone. i highly doubt there strong enough to destroy mjolnir, beside slike i said thor could just absorb the shadow balls with mjolnir in the first place.
after all mewtwo’s shadow balls have been stopped before by other projectiles like thunderbolt. so its not hard for thor to summon lightning to counter the shadow ball and aim directly at mewtwo.
Your only statement is mewtwo spamming shadow balls, is that all your gonna say?
so far i have proven thor is
stronger
faster
resisted mind control
more durable
can outlast mewtwo for a month or more
has an ability that can counter all of mewtwo’s projectiles
what have you said?
all you said was mewtwo spamming shadow balls and that he is faster.
what kind of lazy debating is that?
Shadow Balls are incredibly powerful. You think Thor can absorb or counter this?
Also he can destroy a whole planet with it
I’ve been focusing on the shadow balls because it’s one of the most impressive moves in Mewtwo’s arsenal but I can go further. Lets look at some of his other abilities like Swift and his Mega form.
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I would contend that Mewtwo still wins in all stats. Thor gets hit on the regular by street level fighters. Thor does have some good speed but it’s not on the same level. He has reaction times but in terms of pure speed Mewtwo regularly goes up against guys like Genesect and Deoxys. The difference between them is fairly large. Psychic powers + Speed is a winning combo
my answer to your question up top, yes, yes he can. he has absorb far worse then that. hell even better once he has absorb it he can send it back with more times the power.
Your second statement was complete ass
1 he did not destroy the planet only cratered it to a continent level size.
2 thats in pokken tournement and its not even canon
3 thats shadow mewtwo not regular mewtwo. shadow mewtwo is far stronger then regular mewtwo
but even if we were to assume mewtwo can destroy a planet, thor has destroyed a universe. thats a pretty BIG power gap.
swift too would just also be absorbed my mjolnir and sent right back as well.
Thor has dealt with psychic beings before like scarlet witch. and has been able to keep up with many speedsters. mewtwo never has even tanked a continent level sized attack anyway while thor does that shit agiants gods and even greater.
It’s not canon, I’ll give you that. That being said, Pokken is still a pretty solid resource to see the Pokemon when they’re actually going all out. Absorbing shadow ball is risky because if Thor miscalculates and it destroys Mjolnir or takes him a second to focus, Mewtwo will use that time to take him down.
Thor has reacted to speedsters before but more often than not they don’t actually use the speed to their advantage and that’s what ends up costing them the fight. If Mewtwo uses his speed to his advantage and keeps on swinging, Thor’s going down no problem. You have to consider that Thor won’t be able to land any counter attacks and that is going to frustrate him a lot.
thor was able to absorb a attack that was star level and even drained the energy off of silver surfer. i dont think he has to worry about shadow balls or any projectile mewtwo has. and how the hell is thor meant to miscalculate himself when absorbing power? thor’s hammer broke in the mcu version, im talking about the comic book version where mjolnir is different from mcu mjolnir.
thor has beaten speedsters while mewtwo has not even fought one. besides mewtwo’s speed would not make much of a difference since thor could tank all of mewtwo’s attacks, if he can tank attacks from worldbreaker hulk, then im sure a couple of hits wont injure him that much. besides thor could just drain all of mewtwo’s energy and be done with it.
Thor can still miscalculate because he’s probably judging the power based on how the Shadow Ball looks but it’s way stronger than its appearance. So by the time he realizes that he needs to focus on it more than usual, it will have already dealt major damage to him. We’re talking massive distractions that can alter the course of battle.
Mewtwo’s gone up against Deoxys, Genesect, and Pikachu. 3 speedsters I would trust my life with way more than Ares or Quicksilver. It all comes down to Thor not being fast enough to stop Mewtwo and the reaction times just aren’t going to cut it
Your just making stuff up now
thor’s mjolnir absorption does not require the user to picture how strong a certain attack is, all they gotta do is absorb it, simple as that.
ares and quicksilver are FAR faster then deoxys genesect and pikachu, quicksilver has cleared the speed of light, that alone beats the 3 of them easily.
It’s like trying to absorb an ability above your station, it will cause problems. Remember Yakon trying to absorb Goku’s energy? It didn’t go so well, not just because Goku is the GOAT but because his abilities were really strong. If Thor thinks he can just absorb the attack then he’s about to have another thing coming.
Quicksilver and Ares would get low diffed by those guys. Pikachu’s used Volt Tackle which in the anime appears to exceed the speed of light and Deoxys/Genesect have flown at comparable speeds to Mewtwo which is on the same level. Switch Quicksilver to the Flash and it wouldn’t change things there
It did not go well for yakon cause goku planned for yakon to absorb his energy, so that he would explode. But mjolnir’s absorption does not work the same way as yakon’s energy absorption.
Once agian, you cant compare one ability from one universe to another universe.
Cause each ability in ist own universe can most of the time work differently.
like a sword, sure there all used to slice people but some swords have different effects, like poison or absorbing, or creating portals or whatever.
pikachu’s volt tackle is not light speed, its perhaps lightning fast or lower.
quicksilver would wipe the floor with pikachu
deoxys and genesect would not be too different, deoxys maybe but it depends, that is of deoxys does not get his molecules scrambled.
in which yes quicksilver can vibrate peoples molecules
Yeah but Mewtwo would be planning in advance like Goku too. He would be peppering Thor with shadow balls so when he tries to absorb them, Mewtwo would dash in and land a big blow. That would be game over in an instant with no way to come back from that.
You do need to compare abilities when they’re similar like that though. I disagree on Quicksilver standing a chance against Pikachu. Pikachu is just way too fast and I have yet to see Quicksilver move with that level of intensity.
how the hell would you know mewtwo would plan in advance? even so i dont think a single as blow from mewtwo is gonna kill thor, thor has survived universal attacks while mewtwo gets shot down by a single laser.
The whole internet would disagree with you on your statement with pikachu beating quicksilver. quicksilver has moved faster then the speed of light, just cause attacks look similar does not mean they have the same properties.
Mewtwo’s a very strategic Pokemon. He plans ahead for every move and it’s why he has stayed alive this long. No matter who challenges him, Mewtwo always comes out on top. It’s why he is such a fierce Pokemon to go up against. I’d agree that a single blow won’t be enough to win but they’re all going to add up real quick and Thor has no way to really counter the attacks. Slowly but surely he would end up going down here and then that would be game over.
As for Pikachu, look I’ve seen Quicksilver lose to Thor, the Phalanx, Scarlet Witch, etc. He’s what I would call a basic speedster. He has some speed but he’s not nearly as fast as Pikachu and has no answer for all of the electric shocks. Watch any Pikachu battle and then pick any clip of Quicksilver from the X-Men show or any other title. There’s no comparison
Mewtwo has not onced used a strategy to defeat opponents ever.
Like how does someone have to be so dumb to ignore the fact that thor has survived a universal attack? Your acting like thor wont attack back, thor has battled speedsters before and has won.
saying quicksilver losing to thor phalanx and scarlet witch are the worse examples ever, all those 3 you mentioned are capable of destroying universes.
Once agian im focusing purely on the comic book versions of characters, not the fucking mcu versions. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. besides quicksilver in the mcu and x men has much better feats in speed then pikachu, pikachu wont even know what to do. quicksilver in the x men is the same guy who saved everyone in a exploding mansion. seeing as how he was able to save everyone alive there while the mansion was exploding was more impressive then any speed feat pikachu or any pokemon has done
You had me until you mentioned the Thor universal attack again. It’s not a bad case for sure, I do like that Thor was able to tank an attack like that because it at least does put him into the picture. That being said, it doesn’t solve the speed issue. He’s only able to deal with the speedsters because they keep running at him. If they had played it smart and attacked from afar then they would have been in a really good position. Mewtwo won’t make those mistakes and will just keep peppering Thor with hits from afar. Even the mighty Odinson will go down eventually.
The Phalanx is really slow though. I can’t find the clip but in the TV show we see him get locked in a car and then Phalanx just grabbed him. Quicksilver is fast but Pikachu wouldn’t have been trapped like that.
Also check out these Pikachu stuff. He’s massively FTL
Thor does not just deal with teh speedsters, he manages to keep up with them. even if mewtwo tried to play it safe and fight at long distance, it wont be long until thor manages to get close for a deadly blow, or hell just straight up uses lightning and hist mewtwo long ranged.
Agian you keep focusing on the weakest versions of the characters im talking about. the TV show one? really? My first comment said that i would be focusing on the comic book versions.
First off, solar beam does not move FTL Hell the one shown does not even look like its moving faster then lightning.
the second one was even worse, not even faster then sound
and the 3rd one, pikachu using volt tackle does not make him FTL, lightning fast maybe but lightspeed fast definetly not
Besides me saying thor is FTL is generous, he is way faster then what im describing him
Thor usually gets lucky but that wouldn’t happen with Mewtwo. Mewtwo would play this one real smart and focus on the psychic abilitie at the ready. Thor would be on the defensive all the way through and even mighty Mjolnir would not help him much. What good is using a hammer when your opponent is the hammer? Mewtwo’s fast enough to dodge the lightning as well.
Not trying to grab the weakest versions but the TV show characters are always stronger than the comics. The Solar Beam is a blast of light though so it has to be FTL by definition. Likewise Pikachu’s attack was moving as if it was light so putting FTL on that as well seems reasonable. It’s all about powerscaling.
Mewtwo’s attacks would do shit agiants thor. Missed the part where i said he took on world breaker hulk? the same hulk who can destroy the marvel universe 120x over, and bare in mind, the marvel universe is bigger then our own.
The tv versions are actually pretty weak compared to their movie and comic counterparts. the solar beam is not a blast of light, its solar energy, solar beam uses solar energy and then releases it into a beam. You cant assume pikachu’s attacks would reach light speed. wheres the proof? wheres the calculations? you done absolutely nothing and just assumed it was FTL.
Okay Worldbreaker Hulk is stronger but he’s still not super fast so he can be speedblitzed. That’s what Mewtwo would be doing to Thor. Just spamming shadow balls everywhere.
For the TV versions part, personally I have them as way stronger than the movie and comic versions. You can show a lot more in a show and the budget is always higher which results in a lot of absolutely big plays and hype moves.
For Pikachu, I didn’t need calcs, it was a really cool looking move and we saw how fast he was moving. Any move that fast is usually FTL especially when you consider that some FTL moves look slower. The visuals are a pretty big thing here.
what do you mean worldbreaker hulk is not fast? the dude was able to catch silver surfer mid flight. and hulk did fight sentry, and sentry is just as fast too, i know hulk is not known for speed but then agian, mewtwo has not been known to fight gods that can destroy universes.
You cant focus on how cool a move looks, you personnaly have the tv version stronger but personally does not mean 100% legit. in the comics, thor is stronger, just ask a bunch of people on the internet and they will say comic book thor is stronger.
You cant judge how strong or fast a move is based on its looks.
just cause its fast does not mean its FTL.
pikachu’s volt tackle at best was lightning fast.
Definetly not enough to outspeed quicksilver
Hulk was more about reaction times there. Silver Surfer didn’t play the matchup correctly and should have just stayed far away. That would have been the best bet for him and then he could have won. He wasted it all by charging in like that. It just wasn’t a good play.
TV versions are just more impressive though. Like, compare any of those Worldbreaker Hulk scenes to a Hulk vs Graviton battle in Avengers EMH. The show looks more impressive as you actually see Hulk moving and dodging attacks left and right. You can show a lot more in a visually moving medium like that so it makes sense.
I don’t see Quicksilver outspeeding Pikachu’s Volt Tackle though. Quicksilver hasn’t shown that level of ability just yet. He would be lagging behind and doesn’t have the durability to tank it either.
If he was more about reaction time then thor could easily react to mewtwo’s shadow balls. and hell we are not looking at how silver sufer could have played the battle right, were looking at the fact that hulk caught silver surfer mid flight, and silver server is leagues above mewtwo in speed.
How the hell do you think the hulk battling the graviton in a non canon series is better then the hulk in the comics clapping once to destroy a universe.
Just cause it looks more clear on a tv screen does not mean its better by defualt, the comics have proven how much stronger the avengers really are.
Pikachu stands 0 chance agiants quicksilver, i dont even need the comics to prove how faster quicksilver is when in the x men movie quicksilver literally enters a building, saves all the people there while an explosion happens. Pikachu has NEVER shown that kind speed before, and in the comics which are more canon, he is FAR more faster, quicksilver has taken hits from heavy hitters like hulk, so yes he has the durability to tank a volt tackle, if pikachu can even hit him that is.
Quicksilver got one shotted by the phalanx in the TV show and lost to one hit by Ultron in the movie. His durability isn’t great and even in the comics he tends to lose a lot. Pikachu’s Volt Tackle looked way more impressive than anything Quicksilver has ever done. Why do you think they started calling him Messiahchu? It’s because he’s just that strong.
Hulk vs Graviton was way more impressive. Just go back and watch the fight again. They were smashing through entire buildings and moving at speeds I haven’t seen the Hulk use before. I’ll take that over reaction times any day. You can really see the strain behind each character and the levels of power here.
As for Thor and Mewtwo, Thor can react for a while but eventually he would get tired and go down for the count.
Phalanx is a dude who can shapeshift any weapon at the get go and absorb oragnic beings to gain strength, i aint fucking suprised quicksilver got one shotted, even then the show aint canon, In teh ultron movei quicksilver got shot down by a bunch of bullets, because he was shielding hawkeye and a kid from a flurry of bullets. The dude died being a human shield. and hell pikachu would have gone down from a bullet anyway.
Smashing through buildings is more impressive then a single clap that destroys a universe? thats hulk detsroying every building on earth and the earth itself and the solar system and every fucking thing there as well. The hulk in the comics has goen up agiants sentry before and you did say sentry was relaly fast and he is.
Thor has fought a war for over a month straight, The dude has the stamina to go up agiants mewtwo? has mewtwo been able to fight for over a month straight? No.
Phalanx isn’t super impressive though. I know you’ll say that it’s from the TV show and all but everyone was handing him Ls there. It didn’t look great that Quicksilver went down. As for the movie, he should have been fast enough to dodge the bullets and save Hawkeye. That would have been a lot better.
Thor did fight for a month straight but against fodders. In actual combat he’s not lasting quite so long. He would quickly get weaker against Mewtwo’s never ending strikes. Mewtwo is the kind of Pokemon that just doesn’t go down and can just keep spamming energy balls. As fast as Thor is, more and more would eventually keep on hitting him until it was game over. At that point there would be no way to gain victory
My guy your focusing on the show far too much, we are looking at characters at their strongest. Not weakest. The show is DIFFERENT, a different version of thor and different version of phalanx. THERE NOT THE SAME.
Why would quicksilver dodge the bullets, his whole goal was to protect hawkeye, if he dodged the bullets hawkeye would have been slaughtered by the bullet rain. And hell that version of quicksilver has immature powers, the one in x men is far more deadly. and the one in the comics is just far beyond what pikachu can survive. hell pikachu should have lost to x men’s quicksilver anyway.
Why the hell would it be different in actual combat, That entire fucking war was true combat right there. Thor would easily be able to outlast mewtwo.
Mewtwo does not go down from a blast? well neither does thor, you think the moment he gets hit he dies on the ground like a dead dog? No, thor has tanked far worse then shadow ball spamming. dude survived hits Universal hit, even if we were to assume mewtwo’s psystrike was actually a continental attack, it would take BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of those, and hell its probably even more then that, and remember hulk could destroy a universe 120x over, Specifically the marvel universe Which is FAR bigger then our own. So yeah even more psystrikes would be needed, and hell not to mention thor’s absorption or super form.
And why do you assume mewtwo is just gonna spam shadow balls agiants thor? He has never constantly spammed shadow balls agiants his foes, sure maybe a barrage here and there but Constant spam?
Thats the same as saying thor could just spam lightning at mewtwo.
The shows are different but it’s still worth checking out though. I’d usually say the show versions are the most powerful. We get to really see them in motion there.
Now as for Quicksilver, he should have been fast enough to save Hawkeye and then that would have been all good. The fact that he wasn’t fast enough is what concerned me. That’s something where I’m confident that Mewtwo could have pulled it off. Same with Pikachu for sure. He would have just used the Volt Tackle and that would have been absolutely intense.
I dunno, I’m betting that the war had a lot of breaks to eat and rest. So Thor would be on the front lines sometimes but not always and the opponents weren’t all that strong. Mewtwo would just keep on spamming. Why would he do it? Because he would see that it’s working! That said, he could also just beat up Thor with pure speed and close quarters attacks. That would have the same effect and again, Thor wouldn’t be able to do a whole lot there. It would just be all over for him. Thor can spam lightning as well but it just won’t be fast enough.
The show versions of mcu characters are far weaker, just ask marvel fans that and i guarantee you most of them would say the comic book versions are stronger then the tv show ones.
Quicksilver’s main goal was to defend hawkeye and the kid form the gunfire. So he did save hawkeye. Sure he died in the process but tbh im pretty sure most pokemon would die to a gunshot if they got hit.
They specifically said the war was constant and that thor had fought in it for over a month staright. Mewtwo has not shown any level of endurance like that before.
Even if mewtwo were to spam, like i said, thor could just absorb the attacks or hell completly drain mewtwo of his power in the first place, Mewtwo getting close to thor is by far the stupidest thing he could possibly do, cause if he gets hit with that hammer he is fucking screwed. Thor has been able to destroy planets with his hammer, one good hit and mewtwo’s would be barely alive, more likely probably dead.
Most of them might claim the comics are tougher but I definitely wouldn’t. The show versions always look better with the feats and you can really see the speed at all times.
As for Quicksilver, he should have been quick enough to save everyone. I’m sure Pikachu would have been able to dodge. Do you really doubt his incredible speed and agility? It wouldn’t even be much of a fight if you ask me. Pikachu would be zipping all around and breaking the guns.
No war is constant though, battles always have a break. It’s like if I told you that WW II was 6 years long and I was in it. It doesn’t mean I was fighting for 6 years with no breaks. You still eat, go to sleep, etc.
Mewtwo won’t be getting hit with the hammer because he’s way too fast. Thor would be swinging a whole lot but just not connecting. The gap in ability between these two is too much on the speed. So he just keeps on spamming and Thor will be taking serious damage. You saw how he couldn’t dodge all of Gorr’s attacks in Love and Thunder? Same thing here
Just cause something looks better, does not always mean it is better.
Pikachu would not have lasted an hour in that ultron movie. ultron or his minions or that random gun fire would have one shotted pikachu dead.
And hell remember that versions of quicksilver had immiture powers and honestly is the weakest variation of quicksilver you can find. Comic quicksilver would have been far too much for pikachu, considering how you always look at quicksilvers weak feats, and ALWAYS HIS WEAK FEATS.
May i remind you that pikachu,specifically ash’s, lost to a level 5 snivy thats never battled before. And hell it was agiants a trainer that just started his pokemon journey. while ash had traveled 4 regions before unova.
The war lasted a month staright, thats all i will say. its not the same war as a real life one. Forty days and nights, just him, and an army. meanwhile, mewtwo struggled to battle agianst team rocket. like cmon, he my favorite pokemon and all but god danm that sucked.
Once agian my guy, thor is fast, and way faster, Even assuming he is FTL, thor kept up with those who surpassed that too and way more. And once agian dude.
I am not talking about cinematic thor. Why cant you understand that. Not every thor from tv shows, comics or movies are the same thor.
And for the record, the necrosword gave him alot of strength and speed buffs, stated to be able to rival speeds of the gods. So cut thor some slack here he went through alot agiants that fucking thing.
I agree that it doesn’t always mean something is better just because it looks better but most of the time that is the case. No way gun fire would one shot Pikachu. He’s taken Hyper Beams to the face and all kinds of attacks. I think the bullets would bounce off of him real quick.
I try to grab Quicksilver’s best feats. I’m not trying to low ball him but it feels like he is always losing while Pikachu just gets the best wins out there. He’s taken on legendaries. Okay I’ll admit that it was rough to lose against Snivy there so either it was an outlier or that was actually Arceus in disguise or something. No way Pikachu could lose to a normal Pokemon when he’s like level 1000 right now. It doesn’t add up. It doesn’t compute. It doesn’t……I don’t understand.
Now for the war, nah trust me it wasn’t going on straight. Everyone took breaks between fights and I’m sure a lot of the fighters were fodders so they went down in a quick hit. Team Rocket is tough. Trust me I’m a big Mewtwo fan as well and he would beat them in a rematch.
I’m not trying to deflect to cinematic Thor but man that guy should have done better against the butcher. Even with the sword he didn’t seem all that strong and fast. Fact of the matter is that if Mewtwo were there he could have ended the film real quick. And I think you’d agree with me there
Sure its likely pikachu could dodge a bullet, tank one is a different story. hell bare in mind quicksilver took several gunshots. im pretty sure pikachu would be turn to swiss cheese by that very same thing.
There was so many things wrong with your claims that i could not even imagine.
Ok yes he has taken on legendary’s but your second claim of arceus in disguise was just a bizzare claim, for one arceus cant disguise itself as other pokemon. 2 why would arceus transform into a snivy to battle a pikachu? and 3 you mentioned level 1000 pokemon, there is no such thing as a level 1000 pokemon. it goes formlevel 1 to 100.
You dont understand? i dont fucking understand why you keep bringing up the weakest feats in a character, they dont matter, i brought this stupid feta up to show an example as to why tf we dont use weakest feats of characters. The reason for pikachu losing? who the hell knows, theories are out there somewhere.
If you know people took brakes during the fights can i please take a look on this evidence that you would so kindly find.
Team rocket is nothign compared to an experienced army. since the war lasted 40 days and nights, there were way more people in the war then in team rocket.
If mewtwo was in that film he would probably die, that sword has been capable of killing gods, and hell even summon shadow monsters plus gorr had a healing factor.
Nah, like I said Pikachu has taken hits from energy blasts and such. Bullets would likely bounce off of him or do minimal damage at best. This guy is even called Messiahchu by some people because of how powerful he is. I be trying to tell you but that’s just the way that the ball bounces. There is no way around him, no way to claim the victory. Whatever the odds, Pikachu comes out on top.
Arceus in disguise would be a good twist though. Also, I dare say that you can go above level 100 in the anime. It just makes sense tbh. Otherwise it would be like every Pokemon has a ceiling.
I can grab you some evidence of me taking a break while cooking queso at chipotle or videos of people taking breaks during wars if needed but I feel like you’ve seen them too. People always take breaks because otherwise we’d be all tuckered out and wouldn’t be used to the work. As for Team Rocket, they’ve got a lot of Pokemon so I’m not sure about that.
As for bringing in my main man Mewtwo, he would knock the stuffing out of these guys. I’m serious, that sword wouldn’t be doing anything to him and Gorr would not be able to keep up with the power for very long.
Bullets would likely be able to harm pikachu, and we are not talking about a bullet, were talking about a guy wh has clear the speed of light slamming into pikachu. Besides like i said, COMIC BOOK VERSIONS.
Not mcu, not tv show’s, from here on out im just gonna deny any kind of tv show or mcu versions of any dc or marvel characters cause you clearly dont listen so dont even try to make a case on quicksilvers mcu death.
Arceus in disguise would be stupid, why would arceus transform into a snivy to fight along side trip? Forget the whole arceus in disguise theory cause its way off.
In the anime level 1000 would not exist, why would it change like that?
Even then that wont explain why your so called level 1000 pikachu would lose to a level 5 snivy thats never battled before.
Most people would take a break during the war, but thor, not that kind of guy.
wether you believe it or not the war lasted for over a month straight end of discussion no more, i cant stress it enough.
Team rocket has alot of pokemon sure, but most pokemon they have cant excatly handle againts people who are as strong as asgardians.
If gorr is capable of slicing gods and killing them, why would you think mewtwo would survive? he is not even on god level.
Pikachu can tank bullets because he’s eaten hyper beams before. This Pokemon is absolutely crazy in terms of power, no doubt about that.
All right, we don’t have to mention Quicksilver’s MCU death but you have to admit that it was a bad look for him.
I guess Arceus was just having some fun. That’s the only explanation we can think of for why Pikachu could have lost. Do you have anything better because I’m ready to hear it.
Nah, nobody fights for a month straight like that. You take time off for negotiations, events to raise morale, training, etc. That’s not a true feat.
Mewtwo is definitely on the level of the gods. He’s basically the god of Pokemon next to Arceus and he has the speed to dodge all of the attacks anyway so nobody is landing a direct hit. That’s why he is just so powerful in combat. As for Team Rocket, they have numbers and some decent quality hitters. Not saying that any of them are planet busters but they have some skills.
Taken hyperbeams before but faints by an electric type attack. whereas bullets are fast as fuck and even if one does not put him down, several should, especially if they pierce his internal organs, cause tbh thats kinda what bullets do, compared to a hyperbeam which does not do that.
a bad look for mcu quicksilver yes, but for comic book quicksilver no.
There is no way arceus would just be fucking around. besides like i said arceus cant even transform.
A better explanation is this
Pikachu before the battle with snivy was hit by zekrom. in theory this would have made pikachu lose his electric attacks and completly weaken him, but even so, Grass types are resistant to electric attacks in the first place, and hell pikachu should have had more expirence. same with ash.
another explination is that pikachu’s level either got reset by zekrom or each new region they explore pikachu’s level gets reset,
This is all theory though but hey, its a better explination then fucking ARCEUS IN DISGUISE. arceus cant even learn leaf storm either.
Your in denial about this one, like really in denial, cant accept the truth now? Well here is something nobody just spams the same moves over and over agian and wins a actual fight. thor is the god of thunder, so no shit would his stamina last fucking long.
The level of gods? man in his mega form got one tapped by a laser. meanwhile thor is takign hits from planet level detsruction in his base form.
And im pretty sure an entire army the size of the people of asgard and trained as asgardians are way more stronger then humans with superpets, hell most of their superpets get destroyed easily, cant even survive city level attacks.
I don’t think so on that one. A hyper beam is incredibly destructive to the point where it can destroy buildings and boulders. Try hitting those with a bullet and nothing is going to happen. So if Pikachu can tank those hits with no problem then I don’t see a bullet doing much of anything. Such attacks just aren’t at a level where they would cause much concern to this ultimate electric fighter. No way…no how! It’s just not in the cards
Yeah I’m not sure about the Zekrom theory since like you said he should have still won. I like the idea of the level reset though, especially because Pikachu wouldn’t have been aware of it so it explains why he wasn’t fighting carefully. Arceus would still be the most hype theory though.
Spamming is a legitimate way to win a fight sometimes though. Just think about it, how else are you going to be able to claim victory when it counts the most? Just keep on using your best attack and he wouldn’t run out of stamina because it won’t take that long. Thor was getting overwhelmed by Graviton in EMH and Mewtwo scales above that.
Mewtwo’s Mega form wasn’t expecting that laser or he could have blocked with ease. Just because he’s a psychic type doesn’t mean that he is always on guard and ready. Thor’s been taken out by some sneak attacks as well
Pokemon moves can be a bit weird, one moment they can be ridiculously overpowered and the next they can really weak. Like hell most pokemon would be resistant to bullets, like metagross, he is legit made of steel, but then agian, he also faints by getting shocked with electricity. Even then pikachu gets owned by alot of regular moves too.
Once agian, arceus in disguise, not happening, so yes while those theory’s could explain why pikachu lost, agian he is more expirenced and has ash who si a expirenced trainer, agiants a snivy who has never battled before and agiants a trainer who has never battled before.
If you say mewtwo can just spam shadow balls, then thor can just spam lightning too, and besides your logic says that everything has a limit, thor draws from the god of zeus, and several other gods while mewtwo is just himself, wouldn’t mewtwo run out of energy to spam shadow balls, sure its not canon in the anime but by YOUR Logic its how it would work. besides thor can just absorb a few and send it right back.
You dont spam constant attacks cause evenetually the enemy will counter it
Even if it was a suprise attack, It still it hard to send mewtwo back into his normal form while thor, he just gets up moments later more pissed off then ever.
I would say that Pikachu’s voltage isn’t an anti feat for Metagross though because of how powerful he is. Each hit is enough to power up whole cities. The voltage on that is absolutely insane and nobody wants to get hit with it. It’s why I always scale Pikachu to being a planet buster. But back to the topic, there’s now ay bullets should be able to harm just about any Pokemon. They’re way too powerful.
Pikachu should have beat Snivy, I agree there.
Now for the spamming battle, Mewtwo has better odds there because his abilities lend themselves well to spamming. Lightning can only go so fast while his Shadow Balls can go as fast as Mewtwo needs them too. He just has to keep on the pressure and keep applying it with more and more force. Eventually Thor is not going to be able to keep up.
Now I agree that Mewtwo will eventually run out of energy, same with Thor. Neither fighter can keep this up forever. The real question is, who can keep it up longer? I would vote on Mewtwo because you also have to account for the energy that’s going to hit Thor. Every time he eats a Shadow Ball, the damage it deals him will be considerable.
“It’s why I always scale Pikachu to being a planet buster”
By far the dumbest fucking scale of all time.
If i showed this to any debater in the world they would laugh and say how bullshit that is.
If the voltage was that dangerous how come a fuckign charizard, apokemon who is weak to electric attacks survived and then pummels pikachu in the process? definetly not planet busting, we have not even seen pikachu do something like city level destruction.
Mewtwo spamming shadow balls wouldn’t work. we have never even seen a shadow ball move faster then lightning before, and besides thor could just conjure up a storm to make even more lightning. besides thor is a more expirenced fighter who has fought tricky opponents, it wont be long before thor finds a way to beat mewtwo’s stupid spam that he realistically is never gonna do.
Your stupid for believing that. Thor is drawing thunder from several gods. meanwhile mewtwo is just his plain old self, besides you cant assume that mewtwo is gonna be able to not be hit by lightning, the dude was hit by electric attacks before. plus, thor has fought a war for over a month straight, and he can just absorb mewtwo’s shadow balls, or go into his super form and just completly destroy mewtwo.
Nah I think people would back me up on this. Put it this way, Pikachu can use Volt Tackle and just plunge into the Earth. How would the planet not blow up after a direct hit like that? I think Pikachu has the power to pull it off and I’d be willing to bet on it. He is the thunder Pokemon of legend. Charizard survived because he is incredibly powerful too. Most Pokemon should be planet busters or at least the high ones I’d say. Just gotta keep it moving and there we go.
As for the Shadow Balls, they’re really fast and even hit Mew before he could react. It’s hard to see Thor being able to react to these attacks for long. As for the thunder spam, it’s just not as useful as shadow ball spam because of how the attacks work. That’s why I’m still saying that Mewtwo would win here. The thunder isn’t enough and Mewtwo is more impressive in combat speed.
You’ve shown in the past you don’t understand what a planet buster is. So you should really not bother designating any character as such until you understand
When asked to prove that Greninja was a planet buster, you decided to talk about him shattering parts of the ground and air attacks as being evidence of planet busting. None of this was even close to the total destruction of a planet.
When countered with the very obvious fact that this doesn’t count as planet busting you tried to argue that Greninja could just charge up attacks and use the shockwave to destroy the planet. I then explained to you that you haven’t demonstrated that Greninja has gotten even a fraction of the power needed to pull this off, even if you reduce the thickness of the planet to a significant degree.
You then dropped the point, presumably because you realized it wasn’t convincing whatsoever and tried moving on to a smaller base point.
You just use the word planet buster without at all understanding what it means on any level.
And once again you’re trying to use it with any sort of actual evidence from the source material like you do constantly. For a third time, you fundamentally do not understand what being a planet buster means, and have shown this lack of knowledge before.
I figure anyone can planet bust as long as they can pierce the ground. So if you can make a crater like that, just keep on going until you reach the core of the planet. For someone with Pikachu’s speed is should still be a quick thing for him. Just Volt Tackle straight through and keep on going. Greninja’s mega Shruiken should be able to do the same thing as well.
In most cases if you’re a city buster then I typically label the character as a planet buster. It’s only after we get past planetary that it starts to get really squishy with solar system and universe busters. It all starts to cancel out after a while and feel like the same thing just presented in different ways. I will get back to that Greninja battle though, should have my next comment out before the end of the week.
“I figure anyone can planet bust as long as they can pierce the ground. So if you can make a crater like that, just keep on going until you reach the core of the planet. For someone with Pikachu’s speed is should still be a quick thing for him. Just Volt Tackle straight through and keep on going. Greninja’s mega Shruiken should be able to do the same thing as well.”
An incorrect assumption based on no evidence. If the character isn’t doing isn’t shown to cause the destruction of an entire planet with any move its not an example of a planet buster. That’s how planet busters work. Whether you think it should is irrelevant. It’s whether they’ve shown that they can in the source material that matters. If it hasn’t been shown, it’s not an example of planet busting, plain and simple, period, end of story.
“In most cases if you’re a city buster then I typically label the character as a planet buster. It’s only after we get past planetary that it starts to get really squishy with solar system and universe busters. It all starts to cancel out after a while and feel like the same thing just presented in different ways. I will get back to that Greninja battle though, should have my next comment out before the end of the week.”
Again an incorrect assumption based on no evidence whatsoever. Planet busters bust planets. City busters bust cities. The latter is not evidence of the former. Therefore it’s a worthless label that is based on pure bullshit and feelings on your part. It’s simply not planet busting unless it’s the destruction of a planet, plain and simple, period, end of story.
Has Pikachu’s Volt Tackle been shown to cause the destruction of an entire planet?
No? Not a planet buster then.
Have Greninja’s shurikens been shown to cause the destruction of an entire planet?
No? Not a planet buster then.
All right I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down but let me elaborate on this a bit. Most characters aren’t going to destroy the planet right away because then it would end the show. Even in DBZ most characters can bust a planet immediately but they chose not to with proper ki control and planning. It shows that they have all kinds of special abilities and super powerful moves but they just don’t show them.
I would say it’s the same with these planet buster types. If you have enough energy to blow up a city then you should be able to blow up a planet. Just aim the city busting attack down into the Earth and the planet should be gone in an instant. Game set and match, that should be it. Without any way to get around that you should be primed for success. So Pikachu and Greninja haven’t been shown to bust planets but they have dealt significant damage to their opponents and seem to get ever stronger in each fight. I don’t see them going down without blowing up a planet because it’s a lot of attack power, we just don’t see them realy positioning it at the planet much.
“All right I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down but let me elaborate on this a bit. Most characters aren’t going to destroy the planet right away because then it would end the show. Even in DBZ most characters can bust a planet immediately but they chose not to with proper ki control and planning. It shows that they have all kinds of special abilities and super powerful moves but they just don’t show them.”
Cool so this is just about DBZ characters controlling their abilities. But there’s still direct evidence of the entire destruction of a planet in a single attack. I haven’t watched a single episode of the show and it took me about 15 seconds to find Freiza obliterating Planet Vegeta. That is him using one Supernova to destroy an entire planet. That’s a planet buster. That is what you have to show a character doing for it to be a planet buster. If you aren’t demonstrating a character can achieve this, then you haven’t shown a planet buster. That’s the only thing I’m going to accept.
“I would say it’s the same with these planet buster types. If you have enough energy to blow up a city then you should be able to blow up a planet. Just aim the city busting attack down into the Earth and the planet should be gone in an instant. Game set and match, that should be it. Without any way to get around that you should be primed for success. So Pikachu and Greninja haven’t been shown to bust planets but they have dealt significant damage to their opponents and seem to get ever stronger in each fight. I don’t see them going down without blowing up a planet because it’s a lot of attack power, we just don’t see them realy positioning it at the planet much.”
Yeah not how that works. If it was a true planet busting attack, adjusting the city busting attack would be unnecessary. It would just destroy the planet. And if the only thing that’s seen is the destruction of the city, the way it could be adjusted is irrelevant. What you can show to have happened is all that is relevant.
We don’t see Greninja and Pikachu position their attacks at the planet much? Cool, so that means we don’t see them destroying an entire planet. So anything you say about them being planet busters is irrelevant. You can’t base your arguments on unseen bullshit hypothetical. It can and will be dismissed out of hand simply because the evidence isn’t there.
It’s tough to show someone blowing up a planet though because most heroes don’t wanna do it or there are no Dragon Balls to bring people back so they get a bit nervous about it. Instead we should take the shot that destroyed the planet in DBZ and look for similarly sized blasts from other series or energy that is sharper and just scale that up to planet buster. It’s the quickest way to get a lot of planet busters while still keeping the degree of difficulty fairly high there.
For Greninja and Pikachu we could use a similar term instead I suppose. Like instead of calling them planet busters we could say that getting hit by them is like getting hit by the planet or something. It could show that they have a lot of punch in their attacks without bumping them all the way up to planet buster level. Maybe that would be the easiest way to get that across and I can buy into that as a good option.
I’m not going to bother with the DBZ stuff anymore since my unfamiliarity with it will just get in the way
“For Greninja and Pikachu we could use a similar term instead I suppose. Like instead of calling them planet busters we could say that getting hit by them is like getting hit by the planet or something. It could show that they have a lot of punch in their attacks without bumping them all the way up to planet buster level. Maybe that would be the easiest way to get that across and I can buy into that as a good option.”
So you’re telling me that they’re the equivalent of the impact of an entire planet? You couldn’t even show evidence that Greninja could hit with a sizable fraction of the impact of a moon. And now you want to jump to the impact of a planet for both Greninja and Pikachu? The more you talk about this the more it seems less about actually being correct and more about shifting the goal posts so that you can feel good about what you’re saying. Claiming that these impacts are equivalent to the impact of a planet is no better than saying they’re planet busters. These claims suffer from the same exact issue. The utter lack of evidence from the person making them, i.e. you.
It’s tough to get the evidence though because they usually just aren’t busting planets like this. We’d need a big movie like One Piece Red to show off some planet busting type techniques for them. But we saw Mega Charizard casually burn a forest down and these guys are just as strong if not stronger so the feats should leap around and ultimately land on all of them. If that’s the case then jumping to planet should work but it’s still going to be a bit of a jump. We saw that Mega Charizard was stronger than Gigantomax Pokemon who are huge and should have even more attack power so that could work for the scaling
“It’s tough to get the evidence though because they usually just aren’t busting planets like this. We’d need a big movie like One Piece Red to show off some planet busting type techniques for them. But we saw Mega Charizard casually burn a forest down and these guys are just as strong if not stronger so the feats should leap around and ultimately land on all of them. If that’s the case then jumping to planet should work but it’s still going to be a bit of a jump. We saw that Mega Charizard was stronger than Gigantomax Pokemon who are huge and should have even more attack power so that could work for the scaling”
Casually burning down a forest is not even close to the ballpark of the destruction of a planet. Especially since a forest is filled with, you know trees? The things that are made of wood and sprout leaves and are prone to being very susceptible to fire? That’s not anywhere near what a terrestrial planet would be made of with all the firm layers made up of a variety of way less flammable materials. Using this to jump to planet buster level stuff is idiotic since it’s just not comparable whatsoever.
And even if we scale to the Gigantomax Pokemon, you’ve shown no evidence that they can do planet level attacks either so it’s irrelevant. This is breaking your own rule Dreager.
“Only shown, or otherwise eligible feats count. So guys like The One Above All are technically powerless to fight unless they actually fight in the future”
You specifically have stated that feats must be shown to count. It’s what you use to say the TOAA is pretty much toast vs everyone you put him against. So I’m going to apply this rule to this situation.
Which means that the criteria for Pikachu, Greninja or any character being a planet buster or something similar is pretty simple.
They must have shown feats that demonstrate they are capable of the destruction of an entire planet. If these are feats that can’t be shown, if it’s “tough to get the evidence because they usually just aren’t busting planets like this” then they don’t count by your own rule Dreager.
So if you care at all about the rules you’ve established, you’ll stop this line of reasoning because you yourself have admitted finding the evidence is quite difficult and I would imagine pretty much impossible.
That’s true about the rules for showing feats but it’s a bit of a different scenario than with the One Above All. In his case he hasn’t shown anything which is why he can’t fight. For Pikachu and the others we’ve seen what they can do so the powers are real. It just becomes more of a question of just how powerful those skills are. Planet busting does seem like a leap right now so we’ll just have to settle for the attacks being massively powerful.
We do at least have the feat of Mewtwo blowing up an island by powering up and then later causing a global storm that could wipe out the planet. Scaling him to the Gigantomax, Mega, and Pikachu are the tough parts though because then it’s a lot of jumping from character to character in order to try and get the power levels in order. Pikachu did get the solid feat of taking on two Pokemon in a row during the Pokemon Masters 8 tournament recently though so that’s a good start.
The day I say pikachu could blow up the earth, I would be fr drunk and high on crack at the time to say something that stupid.
Pikachu’s bolt tackle would take FOREVER to reach the center of the earth. And when he gets to the centre of the earth the dude would burst into flames and die, cause the earths core is hot as fuck. But ya know let’s say pikachu for some stupid reason he digs through piles of ground and survives a hot ass tempreture and does not die or burst into flames by the earths core.
Why would his volt tackle cause an explosion?
The earths core is not a fucking power core in a space station.
Even then, you can’t call pikachu planetary for destroying a core that when it explodes will destroy all live on earth and even pikachu too.
I could destroy a power core that powers an entire continent and that if it explodes it destroys the continent. That does not make me continent level strong.
Mewtwo and new are both on par with each other and besides mewtwo was created to be stronger then mew anyway.
Thor’s lightning is being summoned by thunder gods, man is drawing power off from zeus and other thunder gods.
He ain’t using up power to fire it, and besides, lightning from zeus the thunder god would be stronger then your average lightning bolt.
Meanwhile mewtwo’s shadow balls take up mewtwo’s power.
Or hell Thor could redirect it all by creating a tornado
It’s an interesting distinction but I would say that destroying the core would count as being a planet buster if the planet exploded right after that. The important thing is destroying the planet so while in Pikachu’s side he wouldn’t tank it, he would still have destroyed the planet completely which is really impressive. I would say that this is enough to do the job. Volt Tackle seems to protect Pikachu a bit with the electricity so he should be able to dash through the Earth’s core in an instant.
If he plays his cards right then the planet explodes right there in an instant. Now as for Mewtwo and Mew, I always thought Mewtwo was a bit stronger which would make sense since all of the clones in the film were a bit stronger than their originals. Not by a whole lot mind you but just by a little bit.
Thor’s main drawback here is that he still isn’t fast enough to tag Mewtwo. The difference in their speed levels is considerable and firing lightning bolts all day wouldn’t be enough to catch this psychic Pokemon. So it’s at Mewtwo’s leisure in counter striking.
If the core’s explosion was enough to destroy the planet you would only be responsible for making the core blow up not the planet, your not the one blowing up the planet the core is.
and no I highly doubt simple bits of electricity would be enough to protect pikachu from a planetary sized explosion.
after all pikachu does take damage in volt tackle.
hell I could argue that quicksilver could destroy the core and make it explode, would that count as planetary for quicksilver then? of course not but that’s what your logic would say.
Like I said dude, Thor moves FTL, mewtwo has not. Get the picture? meaning thor can indeed land blows on mewtwo, and hell thor has WAY more experience then mewtwo has and has fought foes faster then him before.
Besides what makes you think shadow balls move faster then lightning?
I get your point but at the same time if I blow up the core and then the Earth quickly explodes in the next scene, what else would you call me if not a planet buster? At that point I’ve already done all of the ground work so it should be fair to call me that. As for blowing up the core in a faxctory and counting that as a city buster, that one feels a bit different because the factory was man-made.
I agree that Pikachu would probably die in the planetary explosion. The thunder would only protect him from the heat when getting to the core. I don’t think Quicksilver would have the raw power needed to destroy the core but otherwise he could be called a planet buster.
As for Thor moving FTL, that’s his travel speed but in combat he won’t be pulling that off. Thor isn’t really a speed type. He’s more of a power guy who gets by on pure strength which is impressive in itself but he’s not keeping pace with Mewtwo. Mewtwo himself is faster than lightning, the shadow balls may not be but as long as Mewtwo is he can zip in and blast Thor, then zip out.
What i would call you?
i would call you stupid, because you blew up a core that destroyed the earth and now we all died. But you never destroyed the earth with your power and strength did you?
The core did that, you just made the core malfunctioned or idk threw a bunch of explosives near the core to make it explode. But hell that don’t make you a planet buster.
So far your logic for your second paragraph is dumb, no way is pikachu’s bit of electricity gonna be enough to keep him cool from bursting into flames.
And no I would not call quicksilver a planet buster just cause he destroyed a core that powers all of earth and by destroying the core you destroy the earth.
Even then by YOUR battlefield rules, there in final destination, how is pikachu meant to pull off a planetary sized explosion if there’s no core to explode.
No its actually not just his travel speed, its also his reaction speed too.
Agian bro, worldbreaker hulk, sentry, ares. silver surfer.
All of them move FTL in combat.
Even then travel speed can be used to blitz opponents as while as run circles around them to cause confusion.
and like i said, thor can absorb the shadow balls, counter with lightning, or straight up create a tornado to redirect them.
Even then why assume mewtwo is gonna dodge every attack, even when mewtwo has been faster he still gets hit.
You were supposed to call me a genius tbh! Look, blowing up the core still means the planet blew up so what else could you call me if not a planet buster? It just shows that I had the power and used my tactics in order to get the mission across. That’s all that was and it just worked out. Agreed that with the battlefield this won’t be a factor either way but it’s still good to think about.
Hulk doesn’t move FTL in combat though, same with Ares. These are rather slow fighters and I think that’s where the power scaling gets messed up. Reacting to them doesn’t make you FTL, they’re all moving rather normally. They don’t even have the travel speed to back them up. Thor at least has that one.
As for absorbing the Shadow Balls, Thor has to be fast enough to block each one perfectly or otherwise he’s going to take some direct hits which will hurt a lot. Thor will be on the back foot here while Mewtwo presses the advantage. That’s where things get really interesting if you ask me. Both of these guys are top tier fighters but only one can claim the absolute victory in the end and Mewtwo seems better equipped due to his combat speed and attack options.
My guy the problem is that you did not do the whole blow up the planet part, the core did.
Look, james bond does not become a planet buster by blowing up some core that destroys earth ok. Neither does pikachu, because pikachu did not do it entirely himself. Look at frieza for example, blew up planet vegeta on his own, with his attack, that counts as a planet busting. Blowing up a core that would destroy a planet, no.
In combat they do have that speed, have you at least picked up a comic and read the whole thing?
If you can react to a FTL attack then your able to counter that FTL attack.
Like naruto only reacted to a FTL attack but suddenly in isshiki vs darkseid you claim him to be FTL.
Thor is not blocking the shadow balls to absorb them, His whole hammer just becomes some kind of black whole that absorbs the shadow balls, that’s how it works in the comics.
Mewtwo’s combat speed is complete ass compared to thor, who has much more battle experience then mewtwo.
Yeah but I blew up the core. Okay put it another way, if I ate all the cheese at the store before you could make a pizza, in a way didn’t I eat every pizza because now there is no pizza to be made? I admit that it’s not my greatest analogy but I think it holds a lot of water if you really think about it.
I agree that Bond isn’t a planet buster but if he had a planet busting gun and used it then he would be. It’s all about leveraging your weapons and rising to the top.
As for the speed, Naruto has been FTL for ages but if you pick up a Thor comic you see him getting absolutely wasted by just about everyone. The difference in scale is absolutely massive at this point and it’s not getting any lower. It’s just the end of the era there. Mewtwo has way better feats
No you did not eat all the pizza, because there was never a pizza there to begin with, because you ate all the cheese.
Pizza is not just fucking cheese. Its a main ingredient in pizza but not actually pizza.
Take grilled cheese, take away one ingredient and its something different, if I took cheese away from a grilled cheese then all you have left is a bunch of bread.
Agian with the core, the core destroyed this planet not you, hell remove the core from the equation and see if you can destroy the planet now.
If bond had a planet busting gun maybe, but then again he don’t, so he ain’t a planet buster.
My guy thor can keep up with several speedsters, focusing on one falter from thor is not a good way to see the character, because its behind the past now. we are both trying to look at these characters at their best, even then don’t act like naruto and mewtwo had their downsides.
realistically all of naruto’s battles would have been lost without help.
Yeah but my eating the cheese is the reason why there was no pizza so in a way you could say that I conquered it all. I did it by being well ahead of the curve which is the important thing. Always strive for excellence and that is what you will get in the end. It’s a bit of a circular argument but I think it holds a lot of weight. Shows why you have to stop the threat at the core.
Agree that Bond isn’t a planet buster though. I don’t even have him at city block level.
Thor usually doesn’t fight at high speeds though. He’s more of a power type character and that is going to be his weakness here. Mewtwo can just keep on speedblitzing him. Every character has their downsides but Thor just never fights at a super high speed level like that while we’ve seen Naruto do it countless times. Naruto may have accepted help at times but he’s also given people help during others.
So by your dumb logic,
If i ate cheese, then I ate a pizza?
If I eat bread, I eat every kind of fucking dish that has bread in it?
Thats not how it works.
if I ate cheese then I ate cheese
if I ate bread then I ate bread.
You never ate a single slice of pizza, all you ate was cheese, cheese and pizza are 2 separate dishes.
Yes there’s cheese in pizza but eating cheese separately doesn’t mean you ate pizza, it means you ate cheese, nothing more.
I already listed several speed feats of thor, there all consistent with his character. I already proved how faster he was then mewtwo. You however, have not even shown actual speed feats for mewtwo, You just assumed how fast he was based on animation.
Your legit the only debater I know that does this and its stupid.
Like look
He explains how fast thor can go, in both combat feats and travel speed.
Not that there too different cause either one can speedblitz mewtwo.
Now as for you, what do you have?
Allow me to list a lot of the times where naruto needed help
Lets start from naruto to naruto shippuden to boruto
Naruto
agiants kakashi: who helped sakura and sasuke
agiants zabuza: who helped sasuke and kakashi
against gaara: who helped: gamabunta and technically sasuke cause he weakened gaara
agiants itachi and kisame: who helped: jiraiya
agiants kabuto: who helped, tsunade and jiraiya
The entire fucking sasuke recovery mission: who helped shikamaru,neji,kiba,choji,gaara,temari, kankuro
Naruto Shippuden
agiants kakashi: who helped sakura
agiants itachi: who helped kakashi
agiants deidara:who helped kakashi
agiants kakazu: who helped kakashi, shikamaru
agiants the paths of pain: who helped, toads and hinata, and partially minato’s ghost
agiants sasuke: who helped kakashi and sakura
agiants kurama: who helped kushina,
against the jinchuriki’s: who helped killer bee
agiants itachi and nagato: who helped killer bee and eventually itachi
agiants madara: who helped, A whole ass fucking army
against obito: who helped, guy and Kakashi
agiants ten tails: who helped, Agian, whole ass fucking army along with hokages and sasuke ESPECIALLY NEJI
agiants juubito: who helped, again same thing whole ass fucking army with hokages and sasuke
Agiants death: who helped, sakura, gaara, minato, hagaromo
agiants juubimadara: who helped, sasuke
againts kaguya: who helped, obito, Kakashi, sakura and sasuke
Boruto
agiants shin and there shit master: who helped sasuke, sakura, sarada
Agiants momoshiki, who helped: 5 kage, boruto and sasuke
agiants isshiki: who helped, boruto and sasuke
Might have skipped a few but you get the point, naruto’s most famous battles have all had help.
meanwhile thor, is usually on his own.
Now don’t get me wrong naruto is extremely great and by now there are some battles he can take on his own, but that’s not the point,
What I’m trying to point out is how much help naruto needed in his fights to succeed.
Its not bad but its really something against another guy who has been on his own in fights more times the naruto has.
so again
thor has strength, universal
speed , Billions times FTL and or planc time
durability: survive dhits from worldbreaker hulk and sentry(universe destroying characters)
arsenal needed to counter mewtwo’s( absorption)
more battle expirence
resistant to mind attacks
prove to me that mewtwo can surpass such things.
Yeah, I mean it may sound kind of weird on paper but it tracks. You’ve eaten the building blocks of pizza.
Props on that list, you broke down each of Naruto’s fights really well I must say. My man’s needed help many times, I can’t argue against that. That being said, he is that dude. What I’m really saying here is that he would have won even without the help. It’s because of the clutch factor. You ever do something where you know you could have completed the task on your own but since you had other people helping you, you let them secure the win? It’s kind of like that. Naruto could have clutched it all out but that wasn’t really what he was gunning for. He was just trying to win and win and win.
Now for Thor, he has had a lot of really good feats. I gotta admit that his battle experience is good and he’s really fast in travel speed but when it comes to combat speed he isn’t touching Mewtwo. You wanted me to prove Mewtwo’s speed? Well, I’ll do that right now. In combat he was able to hold his own against Mewtwo the point where they both turned into balls of light. I’d like to see Thor pull that off. He’s never moved quite so fast before during a fight.
Then Thor needs time to block the hits and counter but Mewtwo won’t give him that time. Mewtwo is always a bunch of steps ahead. Thor can take a lot of hits as you pointed out but they will take their toll. The more hits that land, the weaker Thor is going to get until he is completely defeated. At that point it would really be the end of the road for him. There just wouldn’t be anywhere to go except to await defeat as Mewtwo lands his finishing blows.
What Mewtwo has that Thor is missing are those combat feats which are really hard to get. They aren’t things that you can train for. You just have to have them at the ready or you are going to suffer a big defeat. That’s just how it goes
Yeah but its still just one ingredient, pizza is a dish made up of several ingredients and food.
Bread and cheese are singular foods.
Ight now don’t make me list on why the hell he needed help.
But if I have to I will
agiants kakashi- if it was not for sasuke being a sneaky ass, naruto never would have passed.
Agiants zabuza, naruto needed sasuke to bait zabuza with the demon wind shuriken, and Kakashi cause he pretty muched carried the fight,
Agiants haku(I forgot this one) He needed sasuke because of course, his near death experience caused him to go mad and use kyubi cloak, and Kakashi cause he was fighting zabuza.
agiants gaara, he needed sasuke to weaken him and gamabunta to match gaara’s one tailed beast form
against itachi and kisame, he needed jiraiya because the dude was gonna die without jiraiya
Im not listing that shit again, but you get the idea.
Now yes by now in his adult form with kurama he could likely win a lot of these fights.,
But the point is, he ain’t always clutching
Alright time for thor’s combat feats.
Now even assuming that they were moving FTL
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here is ares, and I forgot the other dude, moving in planc time fights, thor has matched both in fights. Therfore making thor faster.
Even then like I said he could just speedblitz mewtwo with his travel speed.
He has done so before on multiple occasions.
Fair point, a good pizza should be a combination of many top tier flavors that equal the end product. Miss any of those and it won’t be the same. It’s true that Naruto needed help in those fights but at the end of the day he still claimed victory. Isn’t that the important thing? Naruto is that dude because he always shows up in the clutch. He’s like Tom Brady, you know that he is around and he never lets up until he starts claiming those Ws all over the place. It’s what separates the champions from the contenders.
The link didn’t work for the planc time movement. I’m ready to accept Thor being FTL in travel speed but it seems rough for him in combat speed
Ye si know naruto won these fighst but that’s not the point I’m trying to make. Yes its not bad that he needed help, but you were rambling on on how naruto was that guy, with the clutch factor, when his clutch factors were backed up by ALOT of help. While thor has mostly been on his own in most of his fights, sure he gets help from time to time, but most of the time its on his own, which allows him to gain more combat experience for himself.
And in fact you have given me more proof again, while yes tom brady has clutched touch downs and play’s before, Agian, he needed a whole team of players to do this, without them his clutches would never have come.
Agian, travel speed can be used in combat too, speedblitzing is a good example of this.
Sorry for the link not working, I’ll try to get a new one soon
Naruto is that dude though. He always wins in the end and he’s probably one of the greatest characters I’ve ever seen. He tells people to believe in themselves and that’s a very healthy message in today’s world where everyone is always getting really nervous. We could use more Narutos around here and it doesn’t hurt that he is also an amazing fighter.
Thor is powerful but he’s not Naruto. He didn’t have to survive the Forest of Death and all of those ordeals. Combat speed is better than travel speed because you can always count on it while travel speed will let you down in the end
“always wins” yet almost all his battles required help.
And bragging about naruto being an inspiration to all is not a good enough argument for him to claim a win. I could say the same shit for thor anyway.
Your right he ain’t naruto, cause while naruto fights for his life in the chunin exams, thor ends up fighting aliens, gods and wars. Hell the forest of death in naruto is complete childs play to wars and gods.
If thor can keep up with worldbreaker hulk, who can keep up with silver surfer in a fight, naruto ain’t gonna be that big of a difference, if anything its a downgrade.
I wasn’t trying to brag about Naruto just spitting out facts tbh. Look, why do you think they call him “Naruto”? You think they named him after the ramen? No it’s because he brings hope to the universe!
I like Thor a lot, he’s a great fighter and super powerful. But do you think he would have survived the Forest of Death? Silver surfer and Hulk would both get absolutely devastated by Naruto in a fight. He’s just way stronger and faster than either one of them so he would have the edge right out of the gate. Don’t forget about the Rasengan and his shadow clones too
Im pretty sure they call naruto, naruto, because thats his fucking name. that’s the name given to him by his parents. Thats why people call sasuke, sasuke, cause that’s his fucking name. Like what the hell were you trying to prove there?
Would thor survive the forest of death, not only survive, but fucking destroy it.
And hell naw, silver serfur and worldbreaker hulk would destroy naruto with ease.
Tell me has naruto destroyed a universe 120x over?
Has he survived universe destruction too?
Does he have a regeneration that can heal entire limbs and hell even decapitation?
A rasengan and shadow clones wont do shit when a single clap from hulk can destroy them all, or a single speedblitz from silver surfer will end them.
Oi, I think they call him Naruto because he is That dude. Put it this way, Naruto is the guy you want to have by your side during the tough times because he will always be able to secure the win. That’s why he is the best. He doesn’t worry about power levels or anything like that. He just goes in. They call Sasuke, Sasuke because he’s super strong. You don’t call someone something because it’s there name. Instead you just do it based on their reputation.
It’s a bit of a convoluted point but it still stands IMO. Now I can buy into Thor surviving the Forest of Death but he would have had a hard time of it. Hulk and Silver Surfer aren’t doing anything to Naruto. Naruto’s too fast. Remember how Batman beat Hulk by punching him in the gut so he absorbed the knock out gas. Naruto would win with the gut punch and it would be so strong that he wouldn’t need the knockout gas afterwards. Again, this is why Naruto is built different!
The Silver Surfer meanwhile is fast but his combat speed isn’t on Naruto’s level. Not even close
They dont call naruto, naruto just caus the is that dude. Naruto does not even remotely have the meaning of that dude. They call lhim naruto because that’s his fucking name.
Sasuke does not mean super strong either, they call him sasuke, because that’s his name dude. The names naruto or sasuke are not some worthy fucking champion title. Its just the names of those 2 characters, nothing else.
I doubt thor would have a hard time, I don’t think a forest filled with leeches is compatible to a fucking war, or a fucking purple dude with the power to bend reality.
Dude the hulk can keep up with sentry who moves billions of times faster in combat then naruto. and silver surfer has pulled off shit similar
Another problem is that the hulk vs batman comic, was not fucking canon.
2nd, thats regular hulk, I already told you, im reffering to world breaker hulk, not fuckign regualr hulk
And naruto being faster then silver surfer is just fucking stupid
You’re really saying they call Naruto and Sasuke by their first names because it’s their names and not because they’re “That Dude”? Okay lets roll with that for now. As for Thor against the Forest of Death, I agree that Thor would win but it’d be tough. Even Naruto and Sasuke almost died in that forest.
As for the Sentry, he always runs right at Hulk instead of using his speed to his advantage and that’s why he fails. Hulk wouldn’t be able to keep up either. As for the Batman comic not being canon, that’s true but it still looked bad. World Breaker Hulk is a force to be reckoned with but he’s till slow. I’m not saying that Silver Surfer is slow by the way but he’s not quite on the same league as Naruto in pure combat speed. Naruto has shown way better feats like when fighting Sasuke.
Yes, thats what im saying, its pretty fucking obvious as to why there called that, there names are not some top tier title.
Thor would not have had trouble, in fact, thor would destroy the whole forest with just one swing to the ground with his hammer.
its not about what tactic sentry could have done that would have landed him a win, its about the fact that hulk can keep up with sentry.
Looked bad? for one batman has already fought the likes of bane before, who legit is similar to hulk but more smart.
Silver surfer could speedblitz naruto, he is able to travel across galaxy’s in seconds, I highly doubt naruto could even tag him.
Besides, just cause your faster don’t mean you automatically win.
Worldbreaker hulk also has a broken regen that can heal entire severed heads and limbs.
And he has taken hits from universal beings before, so no naruto would have trouble damaging, and keeping up with the hulk, while also having to worry about not getting destroyed by hulks HUGE power and strength advantage.
I’m still a little mixed on that but for now lets take it at face value and say that’s why they’re called Naruto and Sasuke. Even so, they are top tiers. Thor could destroy the forest but the monsters within would still be dangerous.
As for the Sentry, it’s less impressive for Hulk because of how the Sentry should have handled the fight. That’s all I’m saying over here. Bane is not even remotely close to the Hulk though.
Silver Surfer has better travel speed but Naruto still clobbers him in combat. One Rasengan to the face and even Silver Surfer will have to think twice about what he wants to do next. As for the Hulk, here’s why Naruto would crush him. First he would hit Hulk with a gut punch and while he’s reeling all Naruto has to do is hit him with the Rasenshuriken. That would be the end of the match right then and there. There is absolutely no coming back from that. No way no how.
Hulk’s raw power won’t matter here because he is too slow to do anything with it. That’s the hard truth that you have to consider here. It’s all over
In japanese naruto legit means whirlpool, and the name sasuke in Japanese is help or assistant. that’s the deeper meaning into their names, but there really just called that cause that’s what they have been named by their parents.
The monsters in the forest in death pale in comparison to any of the monsters thor has had to face, the biggest threat there was a giant snake, and that was from Orochimaru, not from the forest itself. and even then thor would easily destroy any animal there, they would just be a mere annoyance.
It does not matter how sentry should have handled the fight, the whole point I’m bringing him up is that worldbreaker hulk can match sentry in speed.
You cant speedblitz another guy if the other guy is as fast as you or faster.
The whole point I bring up bane is that both bane and the hulk greatly overpower batman in physical strength. Considering how batman has fought foes like bane before, it makes sense that dealing with hulk knocks pretty close to home.
A rasengan is childsplay compared to a dip in the sun
Are you saying naruto’s rasengan is equal to the power of universal destruction? Cause he has taken hits from worlbreaker hulk, and hell hulk did it just by clapping.
and yet surfer can take him on and tank his hits, a rasengan cant do shit.
2nd of all, no way is naruto beating silver surfer in speed, millions of people would disagree with that statement.
For one
he has dodged galactus’s eye beams, which move FTL
Does that ring a bell?
Cause its rather similar to naruto dodging madara’s light fang attack.
Plus silver surfer could always just speedblitz naruto with his travel speed anyway.
Worldbreaker hulk like I said could keep up with speedsters who are faster then naruto, and plus with a broken regeneration and superior power. Naruto cant win
I tackled most of this in another comment just now but the thing we have to remember here is that Naruto has combat speed. He easily crushes and dismantles any character that stands in his way. Many foes have crumbled before the might of Naruto and that list continues to grow. Naruto has dodged FTL moves as well like Madara’s energy attack and Naruto did it casually. He didn’t even have to try and that’s the scariest part, Naruto just did it and that was the end of the match. You absolutely do not want to mess with someone like Naruto. His abilities are as far beyond average fighters, as theirs are above ours. He is That guy.
Naruto also has his Baryon mode to start sucking the life force out of his opponents as needed too.
Yeah i know i realised that, i made 2 because I thought this comment did not load.
Naruto’s FTL feat was done with his fucking final form. And no naruto did have to try, again he pretty much had to against madara.
The end of the match? that was only the beginning the hell you mean?
Naruto’s many feats have scaled to continental to moon level, but none of that compares to surfer who is far beyond planetary.
Plus keep in mind, surfer has actually dodged galactus lasers consecutively.
While naruto only did it once and it never happened again.
Problem, with baryon mode, naruto loses kurama after 30 minutes. 2, naruto’s baryon is probably still just moon level, maybe just above moon level but definitely not planetary, and its life drain is completely useless.
Why?
Because silver surfer in the comics, is immortal.
Cant drain the life span of something if its immortal.
Plus, its been stated that his speed is incalculable
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Naruto in japanese legit means whirpool
and sasuke in Japanese means help or assistant
There is nothing special about there names.
Its not about how sentry should have approached the fight, its about how hulk can actually match sentry in speed, how can you speedblitz someone if the opponent your facing is as fast or faster then you?
Silver surfer shits on naruto and his whole verse.
For one he has dodged galactus’s eye beams which move FTL
And like I already said could match worldbreaker hulk, who can destroy the marvel universe 120x over
You saying a rasengan can do the same?
combined with hulks superior regeneration and better speed feats and strength and power, naruto does not stand a chance.
Sure but you can tell that in universe their names are going to be super special now though. Like it’s a living legend kind of name. Now for the Sentry, I’d disagree. The reason his approach is so important is because we know that otherwise he would not have been able to do nearly as well against other fighters. Take the Hulk, Sentry should absolutely dominate him if he played the matchup right.
Silver Surfer may have dodged that but he can’t dodge an easy Dr Doom attack.
A Rasengan is a focused attack so that’s what makes it so dangerous. Yes if the Hulk gets hit by that attack then I think he is absolutely doomed. There is just no way to survive such an attack. It destroys you from the inside out and just can’t really be tanked/endured by anybody. It’s not that kind of move. It’s a winning move that immediately puts the opponent on the defensive without any chance to really mount a comeback.
Agian, its not about how sentry could have won, Its not about that. Its about how hulk can even keep up with sentry in the first place. Can you read what I’m trying to say for once?
It is not a factor.
2 the evidence you gave was pathetic,
I could rule out so many bad examples that it makes me happy.
1, I’m specifically talking about silver surfer from the comics, where he is much more powerful. because worldbreaker hulk only exits in the comics, obviously.
2, Dr doom has reacted to FTL speeds before and even greater, In the comics he is even more broken.
3, Silver surfer had his back turned, obviously he cant react to something he cant see, His comic book counter part can because that version of him has sensory capability’s
4, The dude dr doom hit him and he was barely even effected, and proceeded to shit on his ass.
So far your evidence has not proven your case.
If worldbreaker hulk was hit with rasengan, Thats shit would immediently be regenerated, because he has regenerated his limbs before, hell madar with regeneration has tanked most of naruto’s attacks, even his lava style rasen shuriken which was big enough to cut the whole divine tree.
Hulk, who has fought and tanked universal attacks before, would see the rasengan has a mere annoyance.
Hulk being able to fight the Sentry at all just doesn’t make sense though. Sentry’s speed is way too great so it’s more of a power level issue/anti feat for Sentry than a big feat for the Hulk. He would just get instantly clobbered on all sides and go down for the count. With the Rasengans, I don’t doubt that Hulk would regenerate but it’s going to take time and he has no way to keep up with Naruto the whole time. Naruto would be hitting him on all sides with massive Rasengans that he can spam over and over. There just wouldn’t be any room for the Hulk to dodge or get around him. Instead he would just fall beneath all of that raw power real quick.
Naruto cracked the Moon in half during his fight with Toneri and did it casually. Imagine him making thousands of shadow clones and hitting Hulk with that level of power on all sides at the same time? I think he would barely even be able to react or cope with the pain and would just go down.
Your downplaying worldbreaker hulk by a lot, this version of hulk is not slow, hulk is much stronger and faster then you might think
The fact hulk can keep up with sentry puts hulk much faster then mewtwo. and hell thor is stronger and faster then worldbreaker hulk.
And hulk’s regeneration is not slow either.
Naruto would need to be capable of destroying a universe at least near to 120x over and completely disintegrate hulk in order for him to win.
But since hulk has taken on characters who are already above planet level and even greater, Naruto does not have that win condition in his possession.
Your only choice of words for naruto to win is this
He can just spam rasengan
he is faster
Thats all you have proven
Yes rasengan is powerful but the rasengans shown are not close to continent level.
Sure naruto can pull off a country size attack, but that pale’s in comparison to a universal size attack.
As for the shadow clone part no he cant
For one, the strongest rasengan we have seen from naruto does not stack up to continent level.
Second, hulk could easily destroy all the clones with a shockwave alone, after all he did once use a shockwave from him clapping that could destroy a universe.
And naruto’s shadow clones durability are not always on par with the original naruto, even assuming that they do have naruto’s same durability naruto has never been able to survive a universal scale attack.
I don’t think Hulk could keep up with Sentry though. Each scan was Sentry running/flying right at the Hulk which removed his advantage. If he played that one smarter then he should have been able to win really quickly.
Now the regen is pretty good but Naruto should be able to overwhelm it. Imagine millions of Naruto shadow clones all barreling into Hulk with those Rasengans. They could probably even hold him down and Naruto could suck away his life force and energy at that point. The clones won’t have any durability for sure but it won’t matter if Hulk can’t hit them. Naruto just has to exploit the lack of speed here and really take it to the Hulk. He won’t be able to keep up with a man of Naruto’s talents for very long. Naruto would just go in and completely overwhelm him. Imagine Kurama infused Rasengan attacks but thousands of them. Hulk won’t know what to do!
Sentry is not some dumbass that hulk was able to get lucky with.
Hulk could still react to foes faster then sentry anyway, so either way its a lose lose for naruto.
Second of all,the more clones naruto makes, the less chakra he has but also the more chkara he is forced to disperse across each clone, the more clones, the less chakra they have, simple kicks and punches have been able to instantly defeat them, so a clap that can create a shockwave capable of destroying a universe could rattle out every shadow clone and even damage naruto too.
Plus hulk is far too durable for the clones to damage him enough, again he has fought those who can destroy universes, while naruto is between country and moon, maybe star but that’s a bit of a stretch.
And i already said that hulk was still faster then naruto and could react to his attacks.
All Naruto has to do is get close and deliver a few good gut punches to Hulk. That will cause him to take a gasp of air and then Naruto shoves some knockout gas at him. Alternately if Naruto Rasengans him into the air hen Hulk won’t have many options. I still say Sentry played the matchup wrong and would have won otherwise. The Hulk was supremely lucky that the whole thing didn’t go worse because it absolutely could have gone sideways and that would have been it.
Naruto is definitely faster than the Hulk though and can easily sidestep and dodge all of his attacks as needed.
if its a normal hulk from the movies and possible cartoons most likely
From the comics, especially if its world breaker hulk, hulk would see these as mere annoyances before hitting naruto with a blow of his own.
Agian, it does not matter how sentry should have played the fight, that’s not why i bring him up, i bring him up because hulk could keep up with him, there were times where hulk could keep pace with sentry without sentry being the one to blame.
i don’t see how naruto is any faster then world breaker hulk if hulk could keep pace with not just sentry, but silver surfer, thor, iron man etc
Yeah but Sentry could and should have speedblitzed. The fact that he didn’t was pure plot armor for the Hulk. He shouldn’t have kept up and should have been washed away. That’s my main point on this one. He isn’t fast enough to really tangle with an opponent on equal ground like this. No way…no how! And you can quote me on that, Believe it! Hulk is fast but he’s not super fast and that’s the thing we really need to get across here. He can take a hit but he has no way to counter or anything like that so I don’t see how he could do much of anything here besides just take a lot of hits and go down
Im tired of you saying how sentry should have played the fight.
It brings no source of evidence to why the hulk should not be fast enough to keep pace with him.
You underestimate world breaker hulk by far too much. This is not the same hulk your thinking of
This hulk can destroy universes, move FTL
Has immortality and different versions of himself, like a smarter version of him.
Plus he is a very experienced fighter too.
Hulk ended up pushing sentry to the full extent of his power
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The fact that he says those words means he was going all in.
He would not be saying this if he knew of a easy way to win.
I’m not trying to be too repetitive here but at the same time you have to understand that the Sentry has all of the tools needed to not just win this fight but to dominate it. He should have absolutely had no trouble taking down the Hulk here because he can fly and use energy blasts in addition to his strength. So the Hulk would be stomped as long as he played the matchup right. I’m not trying to throw any kind of shade on the Hulk here, just saying that the Sentry should be in a completely different league. Moving FTL isn’t the Hulk’s MO.
I can say that he is rather fast especially when running but casually blowing up universes and moving that fast? It’s just not happening. So we can’t use him to scale Thor and that’s why Mewtwo definitely wins this one. A few good shadow balls should do the trick
Nobody cares about how sentry played the fight.
Its not how he should have played it, its the fact that he could never had played it right.
World breaker hulk had beat him fair and square, You may see hulk as a dude who cant move FTL, but just because he is known for his strength does not mean that’s all he has to offer.
For example, savage hulk, who is much weaker then worldbreaker, was able to destroy a universe by clapping.
hulk is also immortal, even if you vaporized a part of his body, he could still regenerate from it.
That and he has tanked hits from thor, sure thor was still stronger, but none the less he tanked hits from thor, a dude who could also destroy universes.
What will a couple of shadow balls do to the god of thunder or the green scar when they both tanked universal level attacks and that regular pokemon have actually tanked mewtwo’s shadow balls before
I hear you but I think it’s an important nuance which is why I kept bringing it up. Sentry should have won the fight easy peasy. He is the man with the power of a billion suns or something like that. Hulk isn’t coming close to any of that. Hulk definitely does have super good durability so I can agree with you on that.
Now back to the shadow balls, of course they would deal a ton of damage. They even injured the legendary Mew and Thor has consistently been taken out by far weaker attacks over the years. I’m talking casual energy attacks and physical moves. Mewtwo has the speed to make sure that Thor is never in the running here and Thor won’t be able to endure the attacks for very long here. The gap in power is too great when you consider that Mewtwo can also mega evolve at will
Nobody cares about how the fight should have played out. There was no other way for sentry to actually beat world breaker hulk.
For the shadow balls hurting mew, your comparing a shadow ball which is a ghost type move hitting another psychic type, and that psychic type is basically the same as you.
And no, thor has tanked multiple attacks from stronger opponents much more then he did with weaker attacks, this also leads me to believe that your thinking of cartoon thor.
And again, mewtwo does not have a speed advantage. He never will, anyone who has ACTUAL debating experience and has done the research can tell you that comic book thor is Much more faster then mewtwo.
Mega evolution will not help mewtwo either, it still does not scale him to star level.
And even then thor himself has his own super transformation which makes him Way stronger and faster then he already is.
Not sure if I replied to this one twice. I fell a bit behind on the comments but at the end of the day the problem for Thor is that he’s not fast enough. Mewtwo has better combat feats and can keep on landing these blows at a high level. In Pokken his final smash can even destroy the world. Thor is a brawler, a strong fighter to have on your side but someone who is never going to pull out the big win. That’s just not his thing and it’s why he lags a bit behind here. He just wouldn’t be able to keep up with Mewtwo for very long.
Shadow Ball is a tremendous technique and it’s also a very fast one which is the most important part here.
Look, I get what you’re saying but I still care about how he played the fight because otherwise there’s no way the Hulk would have been able to handle this guy. Sentry clears most Marvel characters including the Hulk and even his high durability isn’t doing anything against that.
Hulk has high regen but I wouldn’t call him immortal. He’s still not going to be getting up after enough hits. Remember that in the movies he had to get knocked out multiple times. I know the comics he is a lot stronger but he’s still going down in the end. Mewtwo is more than a match for this guy because he has no way to dodge the Shadow Balls. Thor’s durability also tends to be less than the Hulk’s even though his power is usually greater.
Let me break this down
First of all no mewtwo is not faster then thor, i had explained many feats like sentry and thor’s planc time feat, which makes him much faster then mewtwo, that along with the fact that he can travel across the universe in less then a minute.
another problem is that pokken tournament is not canon to the actual mewtwo
Even taking that seriously and giving it to mewtwo, its still a far cry from thor’s universal feats.
Yes mewtwo makes shadow ball look deadly and it is. But to thor that would only be a mere annoyance. He is not just strong and fast but has WAY more combat experience then mewtwo meaning that even if mewtwo decides to spam shadow balls, his superior battle tactics and experience would most likely be able to stop mewtwo,
Yes i know mewtwo is a super computer and all but your dealing with a guy who has battled wars and gods for century’s.
And thor’s strongest attack Godblast could pretty much one shot mewtwo because its been stated to be capable killing multiversal beings
Im not going to explain sentry again because your too stupid to understand. i can say the same shit for how team rocket or genesect should have played it when even if they played it differently they would lose, the same goes for hulk against sentry.
Worldbreaker hulk is not in the movies, your thinking of mcu hulk, which is MUCH weaker then worldbreaker, if its movie hulk then yes mewtwo will win
But I brang up worldbreaker hulk because of his superior power and speed against mewtwo.
And no worldbreaker hulk is immortal, basically his healing factor kicks in to fix whatever wound killed him when he dies.
Mewtwo consistently pulls up in better speed feats and moments than Thor though. Thor is routinely hit by normal opponents and is unable to catch the stronger ones. He’s just not that dude and is always getting overwhelmed. Mewtwo has his shadow ball and a whole lot of psychic attacks at the ready so Thor would have a tough time countering him there.
Yes, Thor has universal moves but it takes a while for him to charge those up and Mewtwo is not going to give him the time. Like the Godblast you mentioned. It’s a great attack but Thor won’t have the time needed to focus his energies there. Meanwhile Mewtwo has been shown to unleash his shadow ball immediately.
Agreed on Mewtwo beating movie Hulk but I’d say the same for Worldbreaker as well. That guy has a ton of strength but not enough speed to contend with someone as powerful as Mewtwo. That’s where the Pokemon will take the edge here. He just has the clean stats needed to secure victory once and for all. Healing factor won’t heal enough
None of what mewtwo has done even comes close to planetary output, but thor can output that with ease
Mewtwo aint faster, stop capping, the amount of feats you showed for mewtwo’s speed cannot compare to thor’s reaction speed
Plus thor has tanked hits from fighetsr who are above planetary AP
you keep saying how thor gets hit by normal foes yet in the movies, mewtwo gets hit several times by normal lasers and pokemon who are much slower then him
Yet we should claim that mewtwo is no longer fast?
No foc ourse not, mewtwo is fast but not fast enough to match comic book thor
For one, mewtwo has never shadow ball spammed an entire fight, Never, so i dont know why you keep bringing it up, mewtwo has never done it before, even if he could thor has had millions of combat expirence ahead of mewtwo and has dealt with long range opponents before.
So mewtwo’s so called shadow ball spamming would not work
Plus he could just absorb it all with mjolnir to begin with
Mewtwo has no way of putting worldbreaker hulk down,
worldbreaker hulk could survive universal attacks, and his immortality with regeneration makes it pretty much impossible for him to die unless fully disintegrated.
Something that mewtwo cannot do
If worldbreaker hulk could keep pace with silver surfer who is one of the fastest characters in marvel, then mewtwo is definetly gonna find it hard to land any good hits, let alone have the power to harm hulk enough to fully kill him
Hulk is strong but he’s way too slow. I have doubts on him really being able to take those Shadow Balls for long either. Mewtwo just has to keep spamming them and knock the Hulk into the sun, let the heat do the rest. Hulk isn’t able to move fast enough to dodge and so he’ll just keep on getting hit over and over ago until it’s over for him. There’s just no way for him to do much there.
Now as for Thor, his millions of years of combat experience won’t be doing much here. Mewtwo usually doesn’t need to spam but he definitely could. If not he just goes into Mega Mewtwo mode and keeps ramming into Thor at hyper speed. Butterfree is able to destroy a metal net with headbuts so imagine what Mewtwo can do? Thor’s defenses aren’t strong enough for that.
Thor has a hard time keeping up with the Wrecking Crew, Mewtwo is thousands of times faster than that
Hulk can regenerate from having his head, arms and his entire chest blown off, not to mention tank hits from characters who can destroy planets, wheras mewtwo needed his strongest and most powerful form and some uncanny non canon shit to come close to planetary level, hell technically he isn’t planetary even considering that
there is no realistic way mewtwo can spam shadow balls endlessly enough to send hulk to the sun,
for one the sun is 149.16 million km away from earth, mewtwo has limits and he cant just spam shadow balls endlessly without getting tired or having hulk adapting to mewtwo’s shadow ball spam
also, mewtwo has never, ever resorted to spamming shadow balls mindlessly at his opponent
Mega mewtwo aint making a difference, sure it makes him stronger and faster but thats about all mewtwo’s getting, wheras thor has access to other forms of his own taht put him leagues above mega evolution
Butterfree destroyed a metal net with headbut?
cool
thor when fighting the god butcher created shockwaves that destroyed planets
theres a difference
im assuming your reffering to the show where thor fought the wrecking crew, in the show thor struggled but still one but in the comics thor easily beat them
So by that logic if you wanna bring up thor struggling agiants them
I can always bring up mewtwo struggling agiants weaker pokemon who are commanded by a discounted team rocket
Hulk can regenerate but it’s not instantaneous and it leaves him really weakened the whole time. So all that’s really doing is leaving him wide open to attack. What’s he going to be able to do when Mewtwo is spamming attacks at him? Nothing, that’s what! Hulk’s strong but not fast enough to handle this and his durability isn’t high enough to survive the shadow balls for long. One thing to keep in mind here is that each Shadow Ball strikes its opponent with the force of a million shadows. Or something, actually I can’t find a source on that so ignore it for a while.
Thor really struggled in the show. It’s worth noting because you would have to try really hard to find any comparable moment for Mewtwo. Thor could try striking the shadow balls back at him but eventually Mjolnir would break and that would be the end of that.
Hulk’s regen has only been weakened and overtaxed when he’s fighting opponents that are around his strength level. Somethign that mewtwo is not.
Hulk has taken numerous attacks from marvel heavy hitters, especially those who fight at range.
Where the hell did you get that statement saying shadow ball hits with a million shadow’s. Searched and there are no statements that say that.
For the last time, im talking about comic book thor, not the weak and pathetic thor from the show.
Looking back, if we are using composite’s
I’ll give mewtwo leeway and give him his composite form
That being mega shadow mewtwo X
That mewtwo could create a realm where star’s exist, so he’s bumped to a solar system level scaling, and people have argued he reaches universal so theres that
However….
Thor is outervsersal.
Give him the odinforce and that’s wraps for mewtwo. He ain’t beating odinforce thor.
There are statements too that give thor immeasurable speed
Mewtwo ain’t touching comic thor, let alone composite thor, even with his own composite form
All right let me take a break from bringing up the anti feats from the cartoons. Thor is extremely powerful in the comics to be sure but even there I don’t really see him having the strength and speed needed to top Mewtwo. First you need to be able to hit Mewtwo to deal any damage from the jump and Mewtwo is extremely fast. Did I mention that he can also teleport? Every time Thor would get close, he would just teleport somewhere else. Thor would constantly be trying to play catchup and wasting a whole ton of stamina in the process.
Eventually the damage would add up and that would be it for Thor. It gets much worse for Hulk since that guy can’t even fly. Mewtwo would be spamming his attacks and Hulk would go down. The Million Shadows is more of a figurative thing, we couldn’t really quantify shadows anyway. It would still deal a ton of damage
For speed, I’ll give mewtwo leeway here
Going off his scaling and what has been said
He has kept up with deoxys who flew from to earth in 10 days from the edge of the galaxy while he was inside the grand meteor. In his speed form he should be much faster
So scale mewtwo to that and he is Massively FTL
How cool, Too bad thor did better
Thor could travel the distance of a universe in a short timeframe.
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He even flew several light years nigh-instantly https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-27abec6a571e1865515b3e7c63d28921-lq
Let me guess, you want “Combat feats”
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https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e00d0ffd522c881b1942b8dd5508db2f-pjlq
If you bring up any so called anti-feats for thor’s speed, Most of them are from the classic comics, which are highly inconsistent in their narrative. Either that or you decided to bring up the Mcu and tv show versions which are way weaker. This can also apply to previous comic characters i’ve mentioned
Superman,Hulk,the flash, darksied etc.
With Thor being far faster while also having thousands of combat experience under his belt, way more then what mewtwo has, Mewtwo’s speed or teleportation won’t be enough cause thor would eventually adapt to how mewtwo is fighting, either that or blitz the dude faster then mewtwo can teleport.
Give me evidence on how mewtwo’s shadow balls even reach the level of thor’s durability, who could tank hits from universal or multiversal hitters.