Greninja vs Galactus



Suggested by Destroyer Now this one gets pretty interesting. Galactus is massively huge and has a ton of power so you don’t want to underestimate that. That being said, he is up against Greninja who thanks to the anime has even gotten a few super forms. Galactus would not be able to keep up with Greninja’s speed at all and that will hurt him a bit. Additionally, Greninja’s attacks are powerful enough where they will hurt Galactus. It will be a battle of attrition but one where Greninja will come out on top. Greninja wins.

36 thoughts on “Greninja vs Galactus

  1. I just have to ask, how can Greninja possibly significantly hurt or speedblitz Galactus? On the damage front even when weakened by hunger, Galactus can survive the full force of two planets colliding right onto him, and no sell combined attacks from the Avengers. And normal galactus doesn’t even feel punches from the Thing, no sells Mjolnir hits, and generally just takes hits from a whole legion of heroes with pretty much zero problem. Even if we take the strongest version of Greninja, how is he supposed to compete with that? And hell that’s not even all, with his shields also preventing Thor from getting through. He doesn’t even have to take damage himself, his shields can do it for him.

    And speed wise? The guy can easily travel many, many light years with unimaginable speed. What does Greninja have that can compete with that? And with Galactus being able to super size himself to ridiculous levels? I don’t think he really needs to dodge Greninja.

    This isn’t even getting into his other abilities, with his energy attacks oneshotting people like Silver Surfer and a Celestial, manipulating matter like when he turned someone into a worm and then into energy, or his teleportation known to be able to remove people from the battlefield, essentially netting him a win instantly.

    I’m really curious as to what you believe Greninja has that can compete with that, even with the strongest version of him or a composite Greninja. Because Galactus seems to just be so immensely powerful that I don’t think Greninja can really even hurt him or even really be noticed until the end.

    • I’d say it really comes down to Greninja’s attack power. In his Ash mode he was able to take on other Mega level Pokemon. Additionally his speed was so great that it was hard to track his movements. Galactus has FTL travel speed, but in terms of combat he’s really slow. I think he would have a really hard time keeping up here and while his durability is on point, it’ll also end up failing him when it counts. Meanwhile it’s hard to see Galactus being able to strike fast enough to land any solid hits here and that’s really going to come back to bite him

      • “I’d say it really comes down to Greninja’s attack power. In his Ash mode he was able to take on other Mega level Pokemon.”

        Show me how taking on Mega Pokemon is comparable to no selling an entire legion’s worth of superheroes wailing on Galactus. And even if it is, it would take a significantly higher amount of attack power to do any significant damage. This isn’t even going into the time he casually survived being in the core of a galaxy with the vacuum of space going at him and incredibly freezing temperatures. He can even tank an the damage of being inside an exploding star, and an entire moon being smashed on him and those two planets at his weakest as I mentioned before. Do you really believe Greninja’s attacks are at all comparable to that level of damage? If so I’d like to see the evidence for that.

        “Additionally his speed was so great that it was hard to track his movements. Galactus has FTL travel speed, but in terms of combat he’s really slow. I think he would have a really hard time keeping up here”

        It being hard to track does not make it impressive Dreager. The guy has fought Thor and Silver Surfer who would definitely qualify as being fast enough to be hard to track. Thor can dodge asteroids , blocks multiple types of bullets, can move so fast he’s basically a blur, and his flight speed easily goes past FTL. Silver Surfer casually outspeeds and outmaneuvers missiles, weaves within the blasts of spaceships as they’re firing, and need I go on? Unless you can prove Greninja can both get to that level and beat it significantly to make Galactus unable to keep up, it’s not a worthwhile point.

        ” while his durability is on point, it’ll also end up failing him when it counts”

        Again you gotta prove that Greninja has significantly higher attack power than all the stuff Galactus has tanked with zero difficulty in the past. And since you haven’t done that I can’t take this point seriously.

        “Meanwhile it’s hard to see Galactus being able to strike fast enough to land any solid hits here and that’s really going to come back to bite him”

        Since you haven’t proved that Greninja can really hurt Galactus, let alone be a danger to him, him keeping up is irrelevant. It seems far more likely that Greninja will tire themselves out going all out, allowing Galactus to take over from there.

        You have yet to provide any examples of anything related to attack power, speed etc. that would show point to your argument being sound. I’ve provided multiple feats of speed, durability and, the variety of powers he has that you’ve entirely ignored in this response. Come on Dreager, you gotta give more than you have if you want to convince me of anything here.

      • So when it comes to speed, Galactus beating the Avengers is not as impressive as it sounds. Keep in mind that they all basically run into his hits but we haven’t seen Galactus show any kind of real speed. If you put him up against someone like Greninja, I don’t see him landing any hits. The difference in their overall abilities is just way too massive.

        As for attack power, Greninja has his Ash form and was even able to damage Mega Charizard. Galactus has taken damage from fighters like Thor and Ghost Rider who are strong but don’t hit with the same force so I don’t have any doubt that Greninja would be landing a lot of severe blows here. Galactus would be losing health the whole time and would ultimately go down.

        There’s not a lot of direct feats I can pull for Greninja outside of the fights themselves. Pokemon just doesn’t go for the full feats in a dramatic sense but we still have a lot of hype moments scattered throughout. What this fight really comes down to is that Galactus can be injured by Greninja and he can’t catch the guy. Those two data points are all you need in order to see why Greninja wins this fight

      • “So when it comes to speed, Galactus beating the Avengers is not as impressive as it sounds. Keep in mind that they all basically run into his hits but we haven’t seen Galactus show any kind of real speed. If you put him up against someone like Greninja, I don’t see him landing any hits. The difference in their overall abilities is just way too massive.”

        Let’s say you’re right about the Avengers, that they just run into his hands. Even with the speeds that I’ve mentioned they can reach, even with all the feats I mentioned. You still have yet to prove that Greninja is even comparable let alone faster. What you’ve said basically adds up to “I just really feel like he is” , which does nothing. Give me any sort of indication that Greninja can compare speedwise to any of Galactus’ enemies that i’ve mentioned. If you don’t I cannot take this argument seriously.

        “As for attack power, Greninja has his Ash form and was even able to damage Mega Charizard. Galactus has taken damage from fighters like Thor and Ghost Rider who are strong but don’t hit with the same force so I don’t have any doubt that Greninja would be landing a lot of severe blows here. Galactus would be losing health the whole time and would ultimately go down.”

        I beg of you PLEASE tell me what evidence you have that Greninja hits harder than Thor or Ghost Rider. Tell me how Mega Charizard’s durability is at all comparable to Galactus’. You know like casually tanking the friggin moon being thrown directly at him. Do you really believe any of Greninja’s attacks are at all comparable to an entire moon doing such a thing? Just like before if you cannot expand upon this I cannot take this argument seriously either.

        “There’s not a lot of direct feats I can pull for Greninja outside of the fights themselves. Pokemon just doesn’t go for the full feats in a dramatic sense but we still have a lot of hype moments scattered throughout. What this fight really comes down to is that Galactus can be injured by Greninja and he can’t catch the guy. Those two data points are all you need in order to see why Greninja wins this fight”

        You still haven’t proven that his attack power is enough to hurt Galactus significantly and neither have you proven that Greninja cannot be caught. You haven’t proved whatsoever that Greninja wins this battle or how Greninja can even hurt him significantly.

        Like I really don’t get it Dreager, i’ve already gone over at least twice why the points you’re making don’t work. You refuse to expand upon them at any point, and lead your argument down the same path every single time. I’ve explained thoroughly why your points aren’t logical or don’t give enough information to be taken seriously. At this point I have to assume that this isn’t just a lack of understanding. You’re seriously making it look like you just want to stick to your guns no matter how barebones they are and no matter how much they need to be expanded upon. In other words, it appears to me you’re being a contrarian just because you can.

      • I think we’re going in circles here but lets try to break this down. For speed, check this video out from 1:58-2:15

        There’s no way Galactus could hope to dodge or counter those blows. This is exactly the kind of speed disadvantage that would take him out of the fight. Greninja’s not going to get hit at this point. So we can rule the speed out. Now lets talk about power.

        Check the same video out from 6-8. He is able to take on a GIgantomax version of Machamp which has incredible durability and power. Yet Lucario’s attacks did massive damage. The same time frame also shows you how Greninja is able to block his full attacks.

        For Galactus, check this video out at 1:30

        A single blast of lightning is able to knock Galactus to the ground. Also note that his reaction times were basically 0 here. It’s really all a matter of speed and Galactus is just way too slow to do anything. If you have the speed advantage and enough power to damage your opponent (Greninja’s attacks are way better than a bolt of lightning) then you will win your match 99% of the time

    • I’m glad you’ve actually made an attempt at providing evidence, but I’m still utterly unconvinced. Not only have I shown feats that clearly outpace a lot of what you’ve shown here, this is Lucario, not Greninja. And even more damning is that Lucario was only able to compete via Mega Evolution, something Greninja has no access to. They’re different pokemon with entirely different typing and therefore entirely different moves. And if we’re talking Ash versions of these pokemon, in completely different regions in seperate versions of the anime.

      For the Speed video, it’s literally just Machamp wailing on Lucario and Lucario barely dodging anything. Hell he struggles even before Machamp goes beyond normal punching speed. To say this is at all comparable to any of the major enemies he’s faced is… i’m sorry to say it completely laughable. This is nothing compared to some of the beasts i’ve mentioned before.

      As for the durability stuff, I’ve already cited multiple feats that completely contradict what you’ve provided for Galactus. And I’ve stated them multiple times. The guy can tank a whole lot more than that in the comics and can do so consistently. Also, even in this video, (which I would basically ignore anyways since he’s got way better feats than this) Galactus has no visible damage and gets right back to business and blasts Thor with his eye beams. IT took a Penance Stare, something that ignores durability and is more based on all the shitty things someone has done for him to be defeated. If that didn’t happen, Galactus would’ve easily given this group of heroes a huge struggle.

      Again I am happy that you’ve provided something for me to actually look at and judge, but it’s not nearly enough for me.You’re out here using an entirely different pokemon with a Mega evolution with different typing.That’s what you’ve decided to use as your evidence for Greninja being able to take down Galactus.They are not the same Pokemon, and therefore I can’t consider what you’ve provided as evidence. And then you’ve provided a video for Galactus which I have multiple feats to contradict, and doesn’t even really show what it needs to show in order to prove your point.

      Feats to contradict the Galactus one:

      Being in the middle of an exploding star casually:

      Surviving the Moon slamming into him:

      Tanking all sorts of heroes blasting him at the same time:

      Greninja is far more likely to tire themselves out before they ever even get close to defeating Galactus. Galactus doesn’t even need to consistently dodge or hit Greninja with durability like this. And given the speed of the people he does fight, again like Thor and Silver Surfer, I don’t think Greninja is anything special to him. I’m still utterly unconvinced that Greninja has any chance of winning here.

      • All right lets tackle this one point by point. Greninja may not have a mega form but in his Ash mode he can pretty much compete on par with one so it may as well be the same thing. His speed and power jump up dramatically. Galactus probably still outpaces him with sheer durability but Greninja’s attacks will gradually cut him down to size. Here’s a good example of what he can do with his attacks.

        They were fast enough that Charizard could barely react to some of them and they did massive amounts of damage. Now for the Galactus durability. His armor/barriers definitely seem to be incredibly good to be able to be inside a star explosion like that and for the Moon to hit him. That said, he can only take a barrage like what Greninja has for so long. The initial attacks may be ones that Galactus could scoff at but once Greninja’s attacks start landing home then it’s all over. Galactus doesn’t have any real way to dodge because he’s so slow.

        He can try to counter but only his wider energy bursts like what he used during Armageddon could possibly hurt Greninja and even then I’d wager that Greninja could block it since those attacks aren’t as focused. It comes down to being a speed vs power kind of thing but one where the gap is so side that Galactus just wouldn’t be able to do anything. That’s what would hurt him here, you have to be able to reliably land a few blows at least in order to secure the edge here

      • You really looked at that video and thought to yourself ” This is impressive enough to convince them that this means Greninja can even significantly hurt Galactus let alone beat him” I’m genuinely astounded that you believed that, because it’s so, SO not enough to prove anything here.

        “They were fast enough that Charizard could barely react to some of them and they did massive amounts of damage. Now for the Galactus durability. His armor/barriers definitely seem to be incredibly good to be able to be inside a star explosion like that and for the Moon to hit him. That said, he can only take a barrage like what Greninja has for so long. The initial attacks may be ones that Galactus could scoff at but once Greninja’s attacks start landing home then it’s all over. Galactus doesn’t have any real way to dodge because he’s so slow.”

        This speed is nothing that Galactus hasn’t gone up against before, and you know it Dreager. You’re kidding yourself if you genuinely believe this speed is comparable to friggin Silver Surfer and Thor. It’s simply not and it’s very laughable that you believe it is. Both Thor and SS make jokes of bullets, missiles, and can go FTL. Tell me how this battle at all replicates anything close to that and I’ll begin to take you seriously on that point. And in this battle it proved the very thing I was referring to with Greninja getting tired. You can see throughout the fight that he’s struggling, breathing very heavily against a powerful and durable Pokemon. Galactus is has wildly better durability than anything shown by Mega Charizard here, and has a lot of powerful attacks himself. Do you really believe that Greninja’s attacks are even close to a fraction of the power of being inside an exploding STAR?Which he no selled with zero problem? And again, HE DOES NOT NEED TO DODGE BECAUSE OF THIS. Stop making his ability to dodge a point here, it’s completely unnecessary for him to do so given the feats i’ve told you about multiple times and have shown you. Just like Toadman vs Titanosaurus, nothing you’ve shown is remotely comparable.

        “He can try to counter but only his wider energy bursts like what he used during Armageddon could possibly hurt Greninja and even then I’d wager that Greninja could block it since those attacks aren’t as focused. It comes down to being a speed vs power kind of thing but one where the gap is so side that Galactus just wouldn’t be able to do anything. That’s what would hurt him here, you have to be able to reliably land a few blows at least in order to secure the edge here”

        So you think Greninja is going to be able to block a large energy burst from a far larger entity than Mega Charizard, and once that isn’t as direct? That would make it even harder to block or dodge. Galactus regularly deals with speed vs power and wins. He’s used to dealing with extremely fast opponents that can easily outpace Greninja. Hell they’re rather grounded compared to someone like Thor who can straight up fly. To use this as a point you would have to entirely ignore the wide catalogue of powerful heroes he’s faced in the Marvel Universe, which is exactly what you’re doing. Again you’ve provided a video that cements my opinion on this battle instead of convincing me of your points here. You’ve unleashed another Trojan Horse upon yourself. Can’t wait for you to somehow twist what happened in this video as enough to batter Galactus down though so that’ll be fun. Still completely unconvinced though, so try again.

      • I’m surprised the video was not enough to convince you there. It shows Greninja operating on crazy amounts of power so when you mix in his speed then that would be it for Galactus. Now, I know Galactus has fought with faster guys like SS and Thor, but they never use their speed to their advantage. If they speedblitzed Galactus then there wouldn’t be anything he could do. They just tend to charge in which is how Galactus gets them.

        Galactus isn’t fast so the opponents should be playing the matchup but instead they always tend to just run/fly straight at him. A concentrated attack is different than being inside a star or really impressive heat moments like that. Galactus couldn’t just stand there and tank Greninja’s attacks in the same way. He just wouldn’t be able to pull that off.

        Galactus is used to beating up opponents who aren’t using their speed to their advantage. Greninja will not be making that mistake. He can quickly just go in and start laying out some damage. If Galactus tries to use a wide hitting attack, it would definitely be weaker than a concentrated blast so Greninja should definitely be able to block that. Galactus’ durability buys him some time but you can’t tell me that he would be able to take several of those water blasts straight up without going down

      • “I’m surprised the video was not enough to convince you there. It shows Greninja operating on crazy amounts of power so when you mix in his speed then that would be it for Galactus. Now, I know Galactus has fought with faster guys like SS and Thor, but they never use their speed to their advantage. If they speedblitzed Galactus then there wouldn’t be anything he could do. They just tend to charge in which is how Galactus gets them.”

        The video is mostly made up of Greninja using the same attacks again and again. And Mega Charizard was able to block and tank a lot of them. Galactus should easily be able to do the same with both his natural durability and his shields. And even if it’s literally SS and Thor simply charging at him it’s still a more impressive feat since they’re still much faster and again they can actually fly. Greninja does not have that option and it will hurt them

        “Galactus isn’t fast so the opponents should be playing the matchup but instead they always tend to just run/fly straight at him. A concentrated attack is different than being inside a star or really impressive heat moments like that. Galactus couldn’t just stand there and tank Greninja’s attacks in the same way. He just wouldn’t be able to pull that off.”

        Galactus has no selled Mjolnir,concentrated fire beams at max power, an entire legion of heroes blasting him all at once, a whole ass moon being thrown at him etc. Are you seriously telling me that these aren’t enough powerful direct attacks that Galactus has no selled to tank Greninja’s attacks until they tire themselves out? I mean again Greninja was actively getting tired throughout the video you showed me. So that could easily apply here.

        And the star feat not being a concentrated attack is simply irrelevant. It means he’s able to survive the intense heat and power of an exploding sun over his entire body without breaking a sweat. There is nothing that Greninja has that is remotely comparable.

        “Galactus is used to beating up opponents who aren’t using their speed to their advantage. Greninja will not be making that mistake. He can quickly just go in and start laying out some damage. If Galactus tries to use a wide hitting attack, it would definitely be weaker than a concentrated blast so Greninja should definitely be able to block that. Galactus’ durability buys him some time but you can’t tell me that he would be able to take several of those water blasts straight up without going down”

        I mean what Greninja blocks in that video is a pretty concentrated beam of energy. So you can’t really say that they would be able to apply that to a wider attack. And given all the examples I’ve listed multiple times, yes I can absolutely say that Galactus can easily tanking several water blasts. This is downplaying Galactus’ durability to frankly ridiculous levels. Water blasts aren’t going to do anything compared to all the stuff I listed before. You’re really just doubling down here, please just concede that you’ve lost here and change the verdict. You’re not going to convince me with the arguments you’ve given because they’re simply not convincing whatsoever.

        They’re based on a lot of incorrect assumptions, downplaying Galactus and wanking Greninja to levels that are ridiculous. I’ve shown Galactus’ durability both in direct and indirect attack, his plethora of abilities, and why Greninja’s speed isn’t that impressive and isn’t enough to win here. And you’ve given me direct video evidence that proves my case even more, with an unimpressive battle that doesn’t showcase a lot of speed, power and actively shows Greninja getting battered and tired throughout a the battle. And against Mega Charizard who doesn’t showcase anything crazy in durability strength, power etc. You’ve been refuted and proven wrong on multiple occasions here, and yet again I’m still completely unconvinced.

      • It’s true that Greninja can’t fly but he can jump so high and move so fast that it won’t matter. He may use the same attacks a whole lot but that’s because they work. Galactus would be getting pummeled with damage over and over again to the point where he will fall. Even a guy who is that durable will end up going down after a while because the hits really add up.

        Greninja’s speed is still very impressive here because he will be playing the matchup well. He will just dodge all of Galactus’ attacks and keep on swinging for as long as he can. It’s why this guy is just unbelievably powerful to the point where he strikes fear into all of us right off the bat.

        Now to get into the Galactus durability issue. He can tank a lot but can he really go one step further to actually tank a concentrated Greninja blast? This is where I don’t think he could. Unlike a Mjolnir blast or a Silver Surfer cosmic ray, this is a concentrated water blast that will keep going or the Shruiken version. Galactus could survive some hits but they will still put him under in the end

      • “It’s true that Greninja can’t fly but he can jump so high and move so fast that it won’t matter. He may use the same attacks a whole lot but that’s because they work. Galactus would be getting pummeled with damage over and over again to the point where he will fall. Even a guy who is that durable will end up going down after a while because the hits really add up.”

        Jumping high and moving fast are inferior to flying and moving fast correct? That’s what my point is, that Galactus has faced multiple opponents with similar and flat out superior mobility to Greninja’s. What Greninja has to offer is nothing mind boggling to Galactus whatsoever.And you still have yet to prove they are at all powerful compared to any of the stuff Galactus has tanked with zero damage to him. You also still have yet to address the fact that Greninja was shown to be actively tired against Mega Charizard, showing lending even more credence to the argument that they could easily tire themselves out before doing any significant damage.

        “Greninja’s speed is still very impressive here because he will be playing the matchup well. He will just dodge all of Galactus’ attacks and keep on swinging for as long as he can. It’s why this guy is just unbelievably powerful to the point where he strikes fear into all of us right off the bat.”

        I’ve addressed this point. Galactus doesn’t need to dodge, he can simply tank everything Greninja throws at him without a sweat. And you continue to act as if he can’t when I’ve shown you the crazy shit he can tank without any problem. This isn’t a valid point, throw it out Dreager.

        “Now to get into the Galactus durability issue. He can tank a lot but can he really go one step further to actually tank a concentrated Greninja blast? This is where I don’t think he could. Unlike a Mjolnir blast or a Silver Surfer cosmic ray, this is a concentrated water blast that will keep going or the Shruiken version. Galactus could survive some hits but they will still put him under in the end”

        Explain and prove to me how a concentrated water blast is a step up from having an entire legion of heroes throw their energy powers at you all at once and tanking both a moon AND an exploding star, or not even registering Storm throwing her full power at him. They are not remotely comparable, and it would take such a high level of spam that would likely make Greninja utterly exhausted multiple times over to get on this level of attack power.

      • All right lets dive into this one. Jumping high isn’t as good as flying for sure but it’s close enough in this case where it shouldn’t matter because he will be staying one step ahead of Galactus the whole time anyway. So Galactus just won’t be able to do anything here. At best you can hope that he will tank the blasts but he isn’t fast enough to do anything which is the problem. You can’t win if you’re not landing blows.

        As for Greninja being exhausted, that’s because he was up against Mega Charizard, one of the most powerful Pokemon in creation. Anyone including Galactus would be tired after that. Galactus can tank for a while but we’ve been through this, it would be over for him. He will often go down after being hit enough like when Ghost Rider showed up in the cartoon or when Thor knocked him to the ground in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Greninja can easily match that with his concentrated water blasts.

        To put it into perspective if you see this video at the 1 minute mark, Charizard’s single punch made a huge crater in the forest

        And Greninja’s attacks were cancelling this guy’s power out. That’s ludicrous amounts of power right there and Greninja’s just getting started! So that’s how it holds up to a legion of heroes firing their blasts. They haven’t shown me that they can attack with this level of power. The moon and exploding star are not as impressive as tanking actual attacks since they’re just explosions.

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    “All right lets dive into this one. Jumping high isn’t as good as flying for sure but it’s close enough in this case where it shouldn’t matter because he will be staying one step ahead of Galactus the whole time anyway. So Galactus just won’t be able to do anything here. At best you can hope that he will tank the blasts but he isn’t fast enough to do anything which is the problem. You can’t win if you’re not landing blows.”

    Ok so you flat out admit jumping isn’t as good, so it’s nothing that Galactus will be bothered by and/or seen before.The rest of this is just assertions you’ll get into later here so I’ll just move on to the next paragraph.

    “As for Greninja being exhausted, that’s because he was up against Mega Charizard, one of the most powerful Pokemon in creation. Anyone including Galactus would be tired after that. Galactus can tank for a while but we’ve been through this, it would be over for him. He will often go down after being hit enough like when Ghost Rider showed up in the cartoon or when Thor knocked him to the ground in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Greninja can easily match that with his concentrated water blasts.”

    Again you get into Mega Charizard a bit later, so I’ll save my response to that for later. When you use a composite character Dreager, you don’t just get to downplay the stronger feats they have because another depiction of them has weaker feats. So the whole Ghost Rider/Thor thing is irrelevant because he has better feats to counter that from different depictions of him. So this point is utterly moot. That’s what happens when you use a composite, Dreager.

    “To put it into perspective if you see this video at the 1 minute mark, Charizard’s single punch made a huge crater in the forest”

    Lol no it didn’t. You can literally see after the battle no such crater is there. Mega Absol is simply on the ground defeated, there is no visible crater afterwards. And to make sure of this I looked a up a video that shows more of the fight. I tried finding this crater you were talking about, but it’s simply not there. Or at least one that lasts. The one I see lasts for like two seconds as its hitting Mega Absol and then just dissipates somehow. And this crater is pretty much just two or three Mega Absol lengths long based on what we see anyways. If it like permanently wrecked the entire area in which they were battling, I might be with you a little bit on the power of this. But that’s simply not what’s shown here.

    So this? This is your reasoning that “Mega Charizard is one of the most powerful Pokemon in creation”? That “anyone including Galactus would be tired after that”? Really man? Come on dude it’s really not as impressive as you’re making it out to be.

    The video I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoArjjwCOAQ

    “And Greninja’s attacks were cancelling this guy’s power out. That’s ludicrous amounts of power right there and Greninja’s just getting started! So that’s how it holds up to a legion of heroes firing their blasts. They haven’t shown me that they can attack with this level of power. The moon and exploding star are not as impressive as tanking actual attacks since they’re just explosions.”

    So since you showed something that doesn’t show nearly as much power as you hyped up, I really don’t care if Greninja’s attacks were cancelling this out. Based on what you showed, it’s not nearly as powerful as what you said it was. So you can’t say that a legion of heroes blasting the same dude with concentrated energy blasts is inferior to one pokemon with a concentrated water blast with feats like that. It’s simply not enough.Especially when those attacks Greninja was cancelling aren’t all that impressive based on simple observation.

    Being covered in the incinerating heat of an exploding star aka a supernova is far more impressive. Direct attack or not, that reaches temperatures of about 1 billion degrees Celsius. And the moon is not just an explosion? It’s also an actual attack, as Silver Surfer attacked Galactus directly with it, which yeah isn’t as concentrated as a water blast, but it’s definitely not “just an exlposion”

    You still can’t provide proper evidence for this, and i’m still completely unconvinced.

    • All right so lets take this one point by hype point. Jumping isn’t as good but it’s so close that it’s almost the same thing. It’s like comparing water to mineral water. Sure, the mineral one might be a bit chunkier but the effects are about the same so it doesn’t matter all that much.

      Now with composite I agree that the highest feats have to be considered a lot but you also have to remember that the weak ones still exist and keep on going. Popular characters like Galactus suffer from this big time because all they can do is stand around and get pounded. There isn’t a whole lot that they can do to defend themselves so you really want to look at the kinds of attacks that can bring them down. We should both agree that Greninja can easily outpower the Ultimate Nullifier. In every continuity where that weapon appears it doesn’t look super powerful and yet it brings down Galactus.

      The crater dissipating is more of an animation quirk. The fact that it was there at all is the most telling part and that was a casual blow. So imagine when they go all out and surpass their limits? I’m just saying that Galactus has never gone up against an opponent like this. I checked out the link you attached and either one of those fighters would roll Galactus. Did you see the absolute crazy amounts of power they were dishing out? Galactus is not touching them at all, not with that speed and firepower.

      A legion of heroes blasting Galactus just isn’t the same as these level of hits but I understand you are unconvinced right now so it’s time to bring in the big guns. Let me show you the gap in abilities on why Galactus could never hope to defeat an opponent this powerful.

      -Greninja attacking so quickly and powerfully that he took out a ninja who can move faster than the eye can see.

      Another crater since you weren’t impressed by the last one

      He can cut nearly invincible crystals

      Some more speed hype although he can already run rings around Galactus so it may be piling on top of a mountain at this point

      Finally I think you were the most concerned about his durability so lets take a look at that.

      He tanks an incredible hit from Sceptile and keeps going

      He even blocks a hyper beam

      Here’s a link to the rest of the feats but honestly after checking this out, the battle seems to be an even bigger stomp than I could have dared hope for. I need to go back and rewatch the Kalos region

      • “All right so lets take this one point by hype point. Jumping isn’t as good but it’s so close that it’s almost the same thing. It’s like comparing water to mineral water. Sure, the mineral one might be a bit chunkier but the effects are about the same so it doesn’t matter all that much.”

        It 100% matters. Regular flight allows you far more control in how you attack, whereas with jumping there’s generally less control and time to put forth attacks. It’s not as simple as slightly different water, it’s the difference between a limited type of flight that has a smaller window of opportunity or one that isn’t limited and provides a larger window with more varied options. And if even if they were almost the same thing, it would still be nothing that Galactus hasn’t seen before. So it’s still unimpressive and unconvincing.

        “Now with composite I agree that the highest feats have to be considered a lot but you also have to remember that the weak ones still exist and keep on going. Popular characters like Galactus suffer from this big time because all they can do is stand around and get pounded. There isn’t a whole lot that they can do to defend themselves so you really want to look at the kinds of attacks that can bring them down. We should both agree that Greninja can easily outpower the Ultimate Nullifier. In every continuity where that weapon appears it doesn’t look super powerful and yet it brings down Galactus.”

        So the Ultimate Nullifier is literally a weapon that can kill anything. Like that’s literally the description of the weapon. It’s a cosmic artifact specifically designed for that purpose. So no shit it can kill Galactus, even if it doesn’t look impressive.There is nothing in Greninja’s repertoire of attacks at all that meet this standard. And you don’t just get to handwave Galactus’ stronger feats because weaker ones exist. There’s no point in using composites in that case if you aren’t prioritizing him at his strongest. You should just use a specific version of him if you’re going to do that.

        “The crater dissipating is more of an animation quirk. The fact that it was there at all is the most telling part and that was a casual blow. So imagine when they go all out and surpass their limits? I’m just saying that Galactus has never gone up against an opponent like this. I checked out the link you attached and either one of those fighters would roll Galactus. Did you see the absolute crazy amounts of power they were dishing out? Galactus is not touching them at all, not with that speed and firepower.”

        It’s not an animation quirk.How do I know that? Because even in one of the clips you show there are clear cracks in the ground from an attack. Mind you, i’m still not impressed by it, but it shows that when the creators and animators want to show lasting damage, they can. It’s clear that the animators did not intend for Mega Charizard to actually make a lasting crater there. the “crazy amounts of power they were dishing out” is not anything that Galactus hasn’t seen before.

        And now it’s finally time for a substantial amount of clips of Greninja fighting. It took you almost 7 months to actually provide this. That’s a frankly embarrassing amount of time to provide this sort of thing. So let’s go clip by clip

        1/2. Since these clips are related I need to address them both at the same time. First of all, Galactus has been up against superheroes perfectly capable of moving at speeds that would likely be unable to be perceived by the naked eye. Thor and Silver Surfer easily reach hypersonic speeds so this isn’t much of an issue. And hell the first clip doesn’t show the old ninja even attempting to showcase any speed feat. It’s simply Greninja and Bisharp going at it. Not impressive

        3. No crater shown, only some cracks in the ground at most. Not that impressive, and nothing compared to being bombarded by 1 billion degree heat all over one’s body and no selling it.

        4. Cool, he cut through some tough crystals. And you have nothing else proving they’re “invincible”, so all it really shows it that he cut through some mildly tough crystals. Not impressive whatsoever.

        5. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to show here. There’s nothing here displaying any particularly quick movement here. It’s just Ash getting hyped up and Greninja floating down. Not impressive.

        6. I’m more concerned about Greninja’s stamina and being able to actually damage Galactus significantly, so this isn’t helpful. He’s got some decent durability i’ll give him that but it’s still shown that this blow did some serious damage, so this makes me even more concerned.

        7. Again I’m not particularly concerned about Greninja’s durability, I’m far more concerned about you proving that Greninja’s attacks are powerful enough to take down Galactus before he gets too tired to continue to fight back. Which you still haven’t convinced me of at all.So this isn’t really what i’m looking for.

        Very unconvincing videos that really don’t show what you think they do. This is nothing that Galactus is going to be phased by, because none of them are comparable to the exploding sun feat, which showcases a lot more destructive power on a larger scale. Still a complete failure to convince me, and it’s quite sad that these videos convinced you Greninja wins even more here.

      • I don’t know what to tell you because those Greninja videos were pure fire. They certainly convinced me and I wasn’t even on the fence before then. Look, Greninja’s power and speed were shown to be completely out of this world. So what can Galactus do about that at all?

        The ultimate Nullifier says it can do all of that but from what we saw it is just a decent cannon gun. Nothing super special that would cause Greninja any worries so what makes you think Galactus could take on those powerful attacks?

        Lets get back to basics here. The fight revolves around 3 things. Can Greninja dodge Galactus attacks? Can he damage Galactus? And finally, can he hold out long enough to pull this off? The answer to all 3 of those is yes as we saw here. That’s why Greninja takes the win. Galactus can’t really keep up at all.

        You keep going back to the exploding sun feat but I would counter that Greninja casually causing a crater the way he did is infinitely more impressive. Characters just don’t do that sort of thing and yet he did so how do we explain that? These are concentrated attacks as opposed to explosions and yet he’s outputting that kind of power.

        For point 7, I’d refer you back to point 1. Greninja created a little crater with his power so Galactus isn’t standing up to that.

        For point 5, impressing Ash is a big deal since he’s seen just about everything by this point in the series.

        For 1-2, that ninja was able to disappear in the earlier clip yet he wasn’t fast enough to get out of the way which shows how hard Greninja hit Bisharp. That goes back into why he would damage Galactus because he has proven his abilities here.

        Composite is about the strongest versions but they’re still found lacking most of the time. Galactus gets taken out by other cosmic beings all the time and that shows his limits while Greninja’s is only the time limit that he can’t maintain his powered up mode for very long. After around 10-15 minutes its gone but a whole lot can happen in that period of time. Imagine him slicing Galactus with the blades he used to destroy those incredibly powerful crystals. He could potentially slice Galactus in two if he has enough momentum and even Galactus couldn’t get up from that. His armor just won’t be able to hold. (Or skin, I always forget but I think he is just wearing a fancy suit with a barrier and Greninja can cut that)

      • “The ultimate Nullifier says it can do all of that but from what we saw it is just a decent cannon gun. Nothing super special that would cause Greninja any worries so what makes you think Galactus could take on those powerful attacks?”

        It’s a weapon designed to kill anything, it doesn’t have to look impressive to do it’s job. End of story, do not bring up this point again.

        “Lets get back to basics here. The fight revolves around 3 things. Can Greninja dodge Galactus attacks? Can he damage Galactus? And finally, can he hold out long enough to pull this off? The answer to all 3 of those is yes as we saw here. That’s why Greninja takes the win. Galactus can’t really keep up at all.”

        The fight revolves around two things, Can he damage Galactus, and can he hold out long enough to pull this off. I don’t give a single flying fuck about whether he can dodge Galactus’ attacks because my argument is that it does not matter, because I do not believe he will be able to damage Galactus.

        “You keep going back to the exploding sun feat but I would counter that Greninja casually causing a crater the way he did is infinitely more impressive. Characters just don’t do that sort of thing and yet he did so how do we explain that? These are concentrated attacks as opposed to explosions and yet he’s outputting that kind of power.”

        First of all, the video you’ve shown for this does not show an actual crater, it shows some cracks in the ground. And even if it did make a crater, it’s not that big.If you want to get into Galactus tanking similar damage, he’s no selled attacks from far more powerful weapons. For this I’ll be using Mjolnir as an example

        Here’s Thor opening up a large chasm with Mjolnir (which is far closer to a crater than what you’ve provided here)

        Two examples of him destroying mountains

        Destroying large monuments like they’re nothing

        Destroying large rocks which at least one is about the size of Chicago

        All of these are more impressive than the “crater” (because it isn’t a crater) you’ve shown here.And again Galactus tanks Mjolnir’s blows like they’re nothing. He takes this level of power and basically tells it to shove it. You want your example of him tanking a powerful concentrated attack, there it is. Just because they didn’t necessarily create a “crater” doesn’t mean that they aren’t easily shown as superior feats than what you showed with this video. They simply aren’t on the same level.

        “For point 7, I’d refer you back to point 1. Greninja created a little crater with his power so Galactus isn’t standing up to that.

        For point 5, impressing Ash is a big deal since he’s seen just about everything by this point in the series.

        For 1-2, that ninja was able to disappear in the earlier clip yet he wasn’t fast enough to get out of the way which shows how hard Greninja hit Bisharp. That goes back into why he would damage Galactus because he has proven his abilities here.”

        The first section i’ve already discussed how that “crater” isn’t impressive compared to what Galactus has tanked in the past so it doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. And i’m thoroughly convinced at this point that you don’t understand what making a crater actually means, so I’m inclined to ignore this even more.

        For Point 5, you’ve made an entirely irrelevant point based on pure hype. Ash is an excitable and intense person, it’s not surprising that he gets excited and intense in a Pokemon battle.It’s what he’s dedicated his life to doing.It’s not an indication that Greninja is massively powerful. Especially when the video doesn’t showcase Greninja actually executing any sort of attack.

        For 1-2, the ninja guy clearly wasn’t even attempting to move. And let’s say he And this attack is nothing special, there’s no lasting effects to the environment around them or anything. It was literally just a decently powerful punch that didn’t seem to do all that much significant damage to Bisharp.It’s certainly nothing compared to Mjolnir wrecking all the shit i detailed above.

        “Composite is about the strongest versions but they’re still found lacking most of the time. Galactus gets taken out by other cosmic beings all the time and that shows his limits while Greninja’s is only the time limit that he can’t maintain his powered up mode for very long. After around 10-15 minutes its gone but a whole lot can happen in that period of time. Imagine him slicing Galactus with the blades he used to destroy those incredibly powerful crystals. He could potentially slice Galactus in two if he has enough momentum and even Galactus couldn’t get up from that. His armor just won’t be able to hold. (Or skin, I always forget but I think he is just wearing a fancy suit with a barrier and Greninja can cut that)”

        Do you genuinely believe that Greninja is some sort of cosmic level being? If you do that’s pure unadulterated wankery Dreager. There’s no other way I can describe it. There’s absolutely nothing that you’ve shown here that proves that Greninja is anywhere near that level of power, and it’s comical that you even invoke any such comparison. And as for the crystals? You have yet to prove that they’re really all that powerful or as you said when you showed them: “invincible”. You just showed the video and asserted that they were ridiculously durable to the point they could give Galactus a run for his money. And then you proceeded to provide no evidence for this argument. Still utterly unconvinced and very confident in my position.

      • All right, let me dismantle this one part at a time. For Greninja, while I don’t believe he’s cosmic, he’s certainly stronger than most cosmic beings. I’d take him any day over the likes of Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Kronos, and even Galactus. He has speed and power that are completely out of their realm. Pokemon as a verse is just a little too high tier. While Marvel would likely win with sheer numbers, Pokemon has the much higher ceiling and it shows with characters like Greninja.

        The videos have really helped my case here. For 1-2, the ninja may not have tried to dodge but you could also just say that he wasn’t in a position where dodging would have even been possible. That’s the high level of power I’m talking about here that ends up being rather terrifying. There’s just nothing anyone could have done to stop that punch. It may not have done devastating damage to the universe but it certainly did leave an impact.

        For 5 I can grant you that Ash does tend to get hyped a lot so it could be fair to say that this is why he was so emotional and it wasn’t purely because of Greninja.

        I’m not sold on the Nullifier though. It has to look impressive or it’s just not so good so this being enough to defeat Galactus on multiple occasions is a strike against the guy. What’s to stop Greninja from just beating the living daylights out of him with a concentrated hydro pump the way the Nullifier blasts him?

        I’d say speed is still important since Greninja clobbers him there but okay lets go to the other two avenues. Either way that just works out even more for Greninja. In terms of stamina I’d just submit the same fight again. Greninja has shown that he can keep on ticking even after getting absolutely devastated with physical blows. I’d like to see Galactus try and knock the fight out of him.

        As for the offensive power, the fact that he could break the crystals with such ease tells you all that you need to know about this. He won’t be going down and will just secure the victory. The destruction feats you showed are very good but the impressive part for Greninja is that he’s pulling all of this during an active fight while moving at super speed and leveraging his abilities. Nobody is ready for that kind of smoke.

        So all in all it still comes down to the fact that Galactus would end up getting demolished here because he can’t keep up with Greninja in speed and would not have the durability to survive his attacks

      • “All right, let me dismantle this one part at a time. For Greninja, while I don’t believe he’s cosmic, he’s certainly stronger than most cosmic beings. I’d take him any day over the likes of Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Kronos, and even Galactus. He has speed and power that are completely out of their realm. Pokemon as a verse is just a little too high tier. While Marvel would likely win with sheer numbers, Pokemon has the much higher ceiling and it shows with characters like Greninja.”

        This is blatantly false Dreager. I’ve shown you multiple times that Greninja’s level of power isn’t impressive compared to people like Thor for instance. Which of course you’ve conveniently ignored. And I really don’t care about how powerful the verse itself is, remember it’s about the individual Pokemon, and you still have yet to be at all convincing that Greninja is anything special compared to what Galactus has been against. And you have yet to prove Greninja’s speed is at all comparable to the cosmic beings you’ve listed. Again this is unadulterated wankery.

        “The videos have really helped my case here. For 1-2, the ninja may not have tried to dodge but you could also just say that he wasn’t in a position where dodging would have even been possible. That’s the high level of power I’m talking about here that ends up being rather terrifying. There’s just nothing anyone could have done to stop that punch. It may not have done devastating damage to the universe but it certainly did leave an impact.”

        Cool, even if he wasn’t in a position to dodge its totally irrelevant because dodging isn’t even something that Galactus has to bother with. And that punch simply sent an opponent of equal size flying. There were no shockwaves, and it doesn’t even show Bisharp bruised whatsoever. The impact it left isn’t at all impressive compared to the scans I provided for Mjolnir.

        “I’m not sold on the Nullifier though. It has to look impressive or it’s just not so good so this being enough to defeat Galactus on multiple occasions is a strike against the guy. What’s to stop Greninja from just beating the living daylights out of him with a concentrated hydro pump the way the Nullifier blasts him?”

        What’s stopping Greninja? Well from what we’ve seen of the Nullifier, it straight up erases beings from existence. There’s no possible way even the most concentrated hydro pump could replicate that. They simply aren’t equivalent attacks, and again you haven’t proven at all that they will do significant damage to Galactus.

        “I’d say speed is still important since Greninja clobbers him there but okay lets go to the other two avenues. Either way that just works out even more for Greninja. In terms of stamina I’d just submit the same fight again. Greninja has shown that he can keep on ticking even after getting absolutely devastated with physical blows. I’d like to see Galactus try and knock the fight out of him.”

        How many times to I have to say this? My argument isn’t based off of Galactus knocking the fight out of Greninja directly! It’s based on Greninja being able to do significant enough damage to Galactus before they tire THEMSELVES out. Stop distorting my argument to suit your narrative.

        “As for the offensive power, the fact that he could break the crystals with such ease tells you all that you need to know about this. He won’t be going down and will just secure the victory. The destruction feats you showed are very good but the impressive part for Greninja is that he’s pulling all of this during an active fight while moving at super speed and leveraging his abilities. Nobody is ready for that kind of smoke.”

        You haven’t shown what else those crystals can tank for damage, so I have nothing to base this attack power off of. And I don’t think you’re getting what the point of those scans were. They were to demonstrate that the attack power Greninja has is simply not impressive, even if your videos showed him in action. You act as if Thor is completely unable to use his own hammer in an active fight. This level of attack power can easily be used in an active fight, Thor doesn’t just stop being able to use Mjolnir at max capacity because of that.

        “So all in all it still comes down to the fact that Galactus would end up getting demolished here because he can’t keep up with Greninja in speed and would not have the durability to survive his attacks”

        Speed doesn’t matter to my argument because it is very OOC for Galactus to even care about dodging. And you have yet to prove that Greninja’s attack power is anything special. Still utterly unconvinced.

      • All right, it’s time to convince you here. I know speed isn’t too important for you here since while Galactus gets speedblitzed to oblivion, it’s the damage you want to see. Well, Greninja has been outputting that kind of damage for a while now. His water attacks are just absolutely devastating and he can keep them up for a while.

        For the crystals, they are really tough but it’s hard to quantify exactly. A think a researcher or something said they were nearly unbreakable. As for the damage Galactus was taking, sure it’s definitely impressive. Don’t want to take away from it, but I didn’t see anything that Greninja couldn’t do. Just like Thor throwing his hammer was impressive, Greninja can throw his shruiken.

        Greninja won’t tire himself out like that though. At best he will run out of his ash form but then he still has his base mode which is still really impressive if I do say so myself. Galactus won’t be able to knock the fight out of him in the same way that Greninja won’t just sputter out. He’s far too advanced and skilled for that.

        I’ll rest on the Nullifier point since it’s hard to scale Greninja’s attacks to that. I do stand by the Pokemon verse being stronger than Marvel though and Greninja is near the top of the Pokemon rankings so that already goes pretty far for him as well. I don’t know what else I could bring to the table aside from all those craters. I thought they were really impressive at least, I hadn’t seen anything quite like it in a while from the Pokemon battles. They went all in on the Mega fights

      • “For the crystals, they are really tough but it’s hard to quantify exactly. A think a researcher or something said they were nearly unbreakable. As for the damage Galactus was taking, sure it’s definitely impressive. Don’t want to take away from it, but I didn’t see anything that Greninja couldn’t do. Just like Thor throwing his hammer was impressive, Greninja can throw his shruiken.”

        You “think a researcher or something” said they were nearly unbreakable. First of all, them being “unbreakable” is exceedingly vague, it gives zero idea about what it means by that. Secondly, you know that’s not convincing whatsoever, as you’re not showing any evidence for it whatsoever. And cool, Greninja can throw his shuriken. That so wasn’t my point at all, and you should know that. The point isn’t the act of throwing it,it’s the point that you have yet to prove Greninja can compete with that level of power in any capacity.

        “Greninja won’t tire himself out like that though. At best he will run out of his ash form but then he still has his base mode which is still really impressive if I do say so myself. Galactus won’t be able to knock the fight out of him in the same way that Greninja won’t just sputter out. He’s far too advanced and skilled for that.”

        What you’ve shown for Greninja for all of their feats is utterly unimpressive. They don’t show any amount of power that Galactus hasn’t tanked before whether it’s Ash Form or not. There’s a mix of Ash Form and non Ash Form feats that you showed above. Even watching the Bisharp battle again for longer clearly shows that it was based on Greninja being newly evolved and there was a clear burst of power that came from it. And even with that large burst of power all Greninja did was run in a straight line quickly and punch Bisharp with no lasting damage. If Greninja doesn’t have Ash Form he doesn’t have access to his strongest attacks which puts him at a further disadvantage since i’m not impressed by the Ash Form stuff anyways.

        “I’ll rest on the Nullifier point since it’s hard to scale Greninja’s attacks to that. I do stand by the Pokemon verse being stronger than Marvel though and Greninja is near the top of the Pokemon rankings so that already goes pretty far for him as well. I don’t know what else I could bring to the table aside from all those craters. I thought they were really impressive at least, I hadn’t seen anything quite like it in a while from the Pokemon battles. They went all in on the Mega fights”

        It’s. Not. A. Fucking. Crater. You can clearly see in the video there’s no crater. At MOST there’s some cracks shown. And they aren’t even that large compared to what I showed for Thor, someone who Galactus can no sell.And you don’t get to pretend this is a simple animation problem like you did with the other “crater”. There is no crater shown, and even if there was, it wouldn’t be that big anyways based on what’s shown. It’s not impressive Dreager, full stop. As for the Marvel vs Pokemon verse thing, I really don’t care which one is technically more powerful. It’s about whether Greninja specifically is superior to the characters I talked about Galactus going up against. And it’s blatantly apparent by both the feats i’ve described/shown along with what you’ve shown yourself that Greninja simply isn’t as impressive as what Galactus has gone up against. You’re not going to convince me with these points Dreager, not at all.

      • Yeah I can see how the crystals part isn’t too convincing there. I’ll see if I can find a few more good attack feats. It looks like Greninja may be returning for the world championships so I can see some good feats there. In the meantime he was able to casually block a significant energy blast with his shruiken.

        That should take care of Galactus trying to fire off any energy blasts to hit Greninja with although his speed is sufficient.

        Greninja casually blocking the thunder punch

        Now this is the money shot, the point that might finally convince you. Charizard was able to launch Absol across almost the entire forest with a single dragon claw

        But Greninja had the power to stop this attack rather effortlessly.

        That should resolve any doubts about his raw power. Greninja will absolutely be able to seriously/lethally wound Galactus in a fight here. This is why I put so much stock in his power and I can feel the stocks rising. Greninja has no shortage of impressive power displays in the anime because he was Ash’s ace for the season. It’s just crazy how powerful this guy is and that’s why I love Greninja now. He has quickly become one of the best Pokemon out there.

        So with that Greninja is fast enough to dodge all attacks and strong enough to put Galactus down for good. I think this should be the nail in Galactus’ coffin but I’ll have some more feats at the ready just in case

    • “Yeah I can see how the crystals part isn’t too convincing there. I’ll see if I can find a few more good attack feats. It looks like Greninja may be returning for the world championships so I can see some good feats there. In the meantime he was able to casually block a significant energy blast with his shruiken.”

      “That should take care of Galactus trying to fire off any energy blasts to hit Greninja with although his speed is sufficient.”

      Don’t care about what he can block. I’ve made this clear that my argument has nothing to do with Greninja simply being able to block attacks. It’s about whether Greninja has enough raw power to significantly damage Galactus. Irrelevant point is irrelevant. This feat will be dismissed in further comments, don’t bother using it again.

      “Greninja casually blocking the thunder punch”

      Also irrelevant to my argument, in the exact same way the last one was. This feat will also be dismissed in further comments,don’t bother using it again.

      “Now this is the money shot, the point that might finally convince you. Charizard was able to launch Absol across almost the entire forest with a single dragon claw”

      A) It didn’t do that much destruction to the forest around it

      B) Absol at most is shaking after this hit, indicating he’s still perfectly capable of fighting

      C) It’s still not nearly as impressive as the stuff Galactus can tank with zero issue.

      This feat will also be dismissed in further comments as it’s again irrelevant to addressing my argument.

      “That should resolve any doubts about his raw power. Greninja will absolutely be able to seriously/lethally wound Galactus in a fight here. This is why I put so much stock in his power and I can feel the stocks rising. Greninja has no shortage of impressive power displays in the anime because he was Ash’s ace for the season. It’s just crazy how powerful this guy is and that’s why I love Greninja now. He has quickly become one of the best Pokemon out there.”

      This paragraph is purely hype based off of unimpressive feats that will likely do nothing significant to Galactus, that are also a complete distraction from what I actually care about in this battle. None of these points actually show Greninja utilizing these supposedly powerful moves. They’re all just him blocking stuff. The most you show is Greninja kicking Mega Charizard after the Dragon Claw, which just knocks him back and does no significant damage.

      “So with that Greninja is fast enough to dodge all attacks and strong enough to put Galactus down for good. I think this should be the nail in Galactus’ coffin but I’ll have some more feats at the ready just in case”

      Don’t care about what Greninja can dodge, and you’ve only shown him blocking stuff, which I also don’t care about. I care about one thing and one thing only. I only want to see feats that directly show Greninja attacking something with its own moves. No blocking feats, no dodging feats, they’re entirely irrelevant to my points. Still utterly unconvinced.

      • All right I can give you some more raw power feats here then. Check out Greninja landing which causes a lot of destruction to the ground but he kept his balance.

        Note that this is his weaker evolution so this scales up.

        Here he punches Treeko so hard there is a shockwave.

        Breaks right through the ground with ease!

        Kicks so hard that there’s a crater on the ground.

        Kicks so fast and hard Lucario broke through the wall and Goh couldn’t even see him.

        Breaking through pure ice.

        Kicking so hard that the opponent became a blur.

        Like I said, this guy’s power is absolutely insane. So when you mix in his speed, durability, battle intelligence, stamina, hype, and attack variety then it’s all over. There’s just no escape here and Greninja is absolutely not going down without a fight. That’s just not his MO.

        Now I don’t want to get lost in the sauce so to speak or forget myself in the hype but this shows that Greninja is a cut above the rest. If he can damage these Pokemon so badly then he can certainly damage Galactus and from there he can win with his speed. The main tricky thing was proving that he can damage Galactus and so now that we’ve got that into play, the rest of the match is history. Galactus has no way to actually land any blows or keep up with Greninja.

      • “All right I can give you some more raw power feats here then. Check out Greninja landing which causes a lot of destruction to the ground but he kept his balance.”

        Cool, this isn’t an attack feat, he doesn’t actually use this to attack anyone.Not a impressive as no selling a full moon being thrown at you.. Irrelevant feat, will be ignored in future.

        “Here he punches Treeko so hard there is a shockwave.”

        So he punches a small unevolved Pokémon across an arena with a tiny shockwave that ends up not even fainting Treecko. Not as impressive as no selling a whole moon. Insignificant feat that barely shows any power. Will be ignored in future comments.

        “Kicks so hard that there’s a crater on the ground.”

        Cool, he launches this Pokémon into the ground in a crater that’s about its size. Galactus is way bigger and has taken far more impressive hits. Insignificant feat that will be ignored in future comments.

        “Kicks so fast and hard Lucario broke through the wall and Goh couldn’t even see him.”

        You’ve given no indication that Goh has any enhanced perception so it’s not all that quick and Lucario also isn’t fainted by this move. He’s just catching his breath. And again Galactus has taken far more impressive hits and kept going zero problem. Insignificant feat that will be ignored in further comments.

        “Breaking through pure ice.”

        Are we seriously comparing Galactus to icebergs now? Come on you know this isn’t nearly as impressive as anything Galactus goes up against. Another feat that will be ignored in further comments purely because it’s not that powerful.

        “Kicking so hard that the opponent became a blur.”

        The most it does is faint this Pokémon and leave some bruises. And again, this does not indicate that Galactus would suffer anywhere near the same fate. He’s taken way more powerful blunt blows as I’ve shown with Mjolnir’s power and the moon impact feat. Another unimpressive feat that will be ignored later on.

        “Like I said, this guy’s power is absolutely insane. So when you mix in his speed, durability, battle intelligence, stamina, hype, and attack variety then it’s all over. There’s just no escape here and Greninja is absolutely not going down without a fight. That’s just not his MO.”

        Speed is irrelevant since he’s nothing special against what Galactus has fought

        Greninja’s durability/stamina is also irrelevant as I care more about Galactus’ since none of these feats you’ve shown are even close to competing to the ones I’ve discussed.

        Attack variety/intelligence mean nothing since you haven’t even begun to prove that attacks are powerful compared to what Galactus has no selled and intelligence means nothing if Greninja can’t power through Galactus.

        And hype is obviously purely subjective so it means literally nothing.

        “Now I don’t want to get lost in the sauce so to speak or forget myself in the hype but this shows that Greninja is a cut above the rest. If he can damage these Pokemon so badly then he can certainly damage Galactus and from there he can win with his speed. The main tricky thing was proving that he can damage Galactus and so now that we’ve got that into play, the rest of the match is history. Galactus has no way to actually land any blows or keep up with Greninja.”

        Every single feat you listed is showing that you’ve continually gotten yourself more and more lost in the hype. They don’t remotely scale to any of Galactus’ major feats. The thing you seem to not understand is that Greninja being a cut above the rest of a lot of Pokémon does not make him ready to take on Galactus. Because none of those Pokémon are anything special compared to the lineup of enemies Galactus takes a bunch of hits from like it’s nothing. Pokémon as a verse has creatures that can take on Marvel characters. But nothing shown proves these Pokémon or Greninja can take on Galactus specifically, let alone win. That’s just taking it several orders of magnitude too far and trying to equate feats that are just generally smaller in scale to what Galactus has faced. Again I believe you HAVE gotten too lost in the sauce trying to see things that simply aren’t apparent. Still utterly unconvinced.

      • I brought up so many good feats for Greninja though. Feels like I’ve gone through all of his fights and then some. I suppose I can start trying to look into the manga or stuff for more feats but this was really peak.

        So to recap, Greninja is faster than Galactus and has a wider attack arsenal. So we agree that Galactus can’t hit him but the issue is whether Greninja can keep up the offensive assault long enough to take Galactus out before he runs out of power. I don’t see why all of those craters don’t show why he would take Galactus down though. Whenever an attack leaves a crater like that then it’s doing absolutely devastating damage.

        Galactus has some good durability feats for sure like tanking the Moon but I’m just not sure that this is really enough for me to put him on the level where he could stand up to Greninja like that. Sure, it means he should be in some high level conversations there but he still has no way to stop Greninja or tank his moves.

        As for being lost in the sauce, I know that can happen but I feel like I’m keeping myself grounded by going through all of these attacks one by one. Lets take Greninja breaking out of the ice. While it doesn’t look impressive, it takes a lot of force to break out like that when you’re already completely frozen solid like that. He had to somehow work up the strength to flex his way out of that which should have been absolutely impossible.

        Then him kicking the Pokemon into the ground so hard he became a blur. I think the part to really focus on there is the blur. You have to really kick someone hard for them to be moving that quickly. It’s the kind of feat that is the most impressive because the show didn’t even have to break it down. You just saw the whole thing in motion and that was it. There was no way to calc it specifically but the power was really impressive.

        I should have a bunch of new feats soon since there are rumors that Greninja will be used in the upcoming championship battles but in the meantime I’ll see about grabbing more cool power feats. Greninja really is crazy lethal at this point.

      • So to illustrate my point I’m going to take every attack feat you referenced in this comment and compare it to if you replaced Greninja’s attack with the impact of a moon. Remember that speed is irrelevant to my argument, pure durability and attack power is what matters.

        “Lets take Greninja breaking out of the ice. While it doesn’t look impressive, it takes a lot of force to break out like that when you’re already completely frozen solid like that. He had to somehow work up the strength to flex his way out of that which should have been absolutely impossible.”

        If we replace this with the impact of an entire moon it’s clear that the moon would do many hundreds of times more damage than what Greninja did to the ice. It would utterly decimate it along with leaving a crater that is so much larger than anything you’ve shown Greninja or any Pokémon here making.

        “Then him kicking the Pokemon into the ground so hard he became a blur. I think the part to really focus on there is the blur. You have to really kick someone hard for them to be moving that quickly. It’s the kind of feat that is the most impressive because the show didn’t even have to break it down. You just saw the whole thing in motion and that was it. There was no way to calc it specifically but the power was really impressive.”

        Again let’s replace the blur kick with the moon. In this case there would be nothing but a bloody paste of a Pokémon after completely crushing it. And like before there would be a massive crater that dwarfs everything you’ve shown many times over.

        The same thing with the Bisharp and Treecko feats. And they follow the same basic pattern. Basic hit that knocks them away and at most knocks them out and gives them some bruises. To compare this to the power the impact of a moon would cause is simply delusional.

        Greninja would require a frankly insane amount of attacks to even be equivalent to that. And this is an attack Galactus tanked with zero issue. This one moon throw is hundreds of times more powerful than anything you’ve shown Greninja doing.

        So in summation all of the feats you’ve shown for Greninja are many times less powerful than the impact of a moon, which Galactus took with zero damage. It would require many, many attacks to even be equivalent to something he tanked with ZERO damage. This is why I believe you’re lost in the sauce. These feats are not good enough for this exact reasons.

        It would require hundreds if not thousands of attacks from Greninja to even put a dent in Galactus and I’m being generous.
        That’s going to put a large amount of strain on Greninja’s body and general stamina. If this is peak Greninja, then I remain firm in my position that Greninja will tire themselves out before doing any significant damage to Galactus and no feat you’ve provided has remotely changed my mind. Still utterly unconvinced.

      • All right it’s an interesting idea to replace that with the Moon. My counter would be that Greninja can attack very quickly in rapid succession. So even though one individual hit may not match up to the power of the Moon hit, the repeated blows would. Would you rather get hit by the Moon or take 50 punches from Greninja that are leaving craters with each impact? At least with the Moon you get it over with but with the repeated hits you will just be taking maximum damage and head trauma the whole time.

        So we’ll keep the speed out of this for now. With Greninja’s shockwave type punches he could keep hitting Galactus so hard that the guy would have a concussion. Taking that many hits can even override your durability or healing factor like how Hulk was able to take out Wolverine back in the World War Hulk saga. (Or it might have been Planet Hulk.

        With Greninja zipping in and out as he lands dozens and dozens of blows on Galactus in an instant, they’re going to really add up quickly.

        He’s also got his massive shuriken star

        If this hits Galactus straight up it’s hard to see it not dealing some serious damage. If Greninja throws a few more of those in then that would be gamer over.

        Galactus would have to try and keep his defenses up at all times to last until Greninja tires himself out but I don’t think he will be able to last quite so long. Greninja is just built different and those attacks would keep on coming without delay. Can you imagine what it would feel like for Galactus to know that a bunch of attacks are coming his way but there is absolutely nothing that he can do to stop them? It would have to be absolutely maddening from his point of view and that’s another level of stress on top of being hit the whole time.

  3. “All right it’s an interesting idea to replace that with the Moon. My counter would be that Greninja can attack very quickly in rapid succession. So even though one individual hit may not match up to the power of the Moon hit, the repeated blows would. Would you rather get hit by the Moon or take 50 punches from Greninja that are leaving craters with each impact? At least with the Moon you get it over with but with the repeated hits you will just be taking maximum damage and head trauma the whole time.”

    I’d take the 50 punches easy because the Moon outweighs those 50 punches everytime by such a ridiculous margin. The craters Greninja makes are basically the size of the Pokemon that he’s hitting. And let’s be generous and double the size to illustrate my point about how unhelpful this point is. I’m going to use the Barbaracle as an example. The average height is 4 ft 3 inches 4.25 ft and doubling that would be 8.5 ft. And if we’re basing this off the Moon in our solar system, it has a diameter of about 2,159 miles , so it would at least make a crater of that size

    11,399,520 ft = 2,159 miles

    11,399,520 ft / 8.5 ft = 1,341,120 attacks required to make an equivalent sized crater

    This is based on being generous when it comes to the size of the craters you’ve shown Greninja creating. And it doesn’t even matter if the craters were much bigger than the size of the Barbaracle. If it was like 20 or 30 times the size it would still be about 134,000 and 89,000 respectively. So even in the case that my math is by significant amount it would still be thousands of attacks to be equivalent to an impact that did absolutely nothing to Galactus. All while Greninja would continually be using up stamina and energy to make these attacks.

    Head trauma and max damage doesn’t mean a damn thing when the scale of the attacks are so entirely different. And on top of the fact you haven’t once demonstrated Greninja going for repeated attacks. You’ve just shown incredibly unimpressive singular hits that pale in comparison to the moon feat alone. It is mathematically definitive that these punches are worse than pea shooters when up against what Galactus has tanked with zero damage. There is literally no disputing this even with me highballing the size of the craters in Greninja’s favor repeatedly. Even making Greninja more powerful than what’s shown is not enough to even be remotely comparable to a fraction of Galactus’ durability.

    “So we’ll keep the speed out of this for now. With Greninja’s shockwave types punches he could hit Galactus so hard that the guy would have a concussion. Taking that many hits can even override your durability or healing factor like how Hulk was able to take out Wolverine in the World War Hulk saga. (Or it might have been Planet Hulk.”

    1,341,120 attacks, Dreager. 1,341,120 attacks (Or at the least 89,000 if the craters were 30 times larger).There isn’t even a remote chance Galactus is getting a concussion from that if he feels it at all. And the Hulk and Wolverine are entirely different characters, with different powersets and abilities, so I’m not going to seriously consider anything about their durability or healing factor, even if they’re within the same universe. An irrelevant point that is based off of pure speculation and vague scaling to totally different characters.

    “With Greninja zipping in and out as he lands dozens and dozens of blows on Galactus in an instant they’re going to really add up quickly”

    This clip at most shows Greninja getting maybe a dozen or two movements out of this, and they certainly aren’t as fast as your making it out to be. And again based on how many of his attacks need to connect to be equivalent to the moon feat, they aren’t going to add up nearly as quickly as you may have thought.And you didn’t even bother showing this being used to actually do any damage, Greninja’s just running all over the place while his opponent is sitting there doing nothing.

    “He’s also got his massive shuriken star

    If this hits Galactus straight up it’s hard to see it not dealing some serious damage. If Greninja throws a few more of those in then that would be gamer over”

    First off you don’t even show any sort of impact with this thing, so there’s no concept of how much damage its doing. It’s big and it looks cool is basically the entirety of your argument here. And given my mini math lesson I showed you, I think you know how unimpressive this is going to be to me.

    “Galactus would have to try and keep his defenses up at all times to last until Greninja tires himself out but I don’t think he will be able to last quite so long. Greninja is just built different and those attacks would keep on coming without delay. Can you imagine what it would feel like for Galactus to know that a bunch of attacks are coming his way and but there is absolutely nothing he can do to stop them? It would have to be absolutely maddening from his point of view and that’s a another level of stress on top of being hit the whole time.”

    Do you honestly believe that Greninja can hit Galactus with 1.3 million kicks or hundreds of thousands of his other attacks before tiring out? Because that’s what he’s got to do to even remotely compare to the moon feat. Which again did absolutely nothing to Galactus. And I don’t have to imagine what it’s like for Galactus to just tank a bunch of attacks coming at him all at once because he deals with that all the time. In fact he doesn’t even bother dodging. It’s not maddening to him, he really does not care and will likely allow Greninja to simply do this until they get tired. This is Galactus’ entire thing, being a massive damage sponge that doesn’t give a damn about the powers of a lot of the heroes within the Marvel universe. Even more utterly unconvinced than I was before due to the math I did.

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