Touma vs Asta

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Suggested by Sonic It’s time for a battle of anti magic users. Asta has his twin swords which nullify all magic and can also repel it while Touma does this by hand. The main difference here though is that Touma’s only real power is in his hand so Asta can ditch his swords and just make this a hand to hand brawl. At that point there really isn’t anything that Touma can do to keep up. Asta is a whole lot stronger and faster not to mention the fact that he can also read ki. Asta wins.

101 thoughts on “Touma vs Asta”

      • Lolololol what kind of feat Asta has Touma’s power can hurt a being like Cozonron man you’re bias as heck

      • You’re heavily underestimating Asta here. Remember that his speed is absolutely crazy. One hit and Touma is devastated

      • Man you’re bias a hell we don’t care what you think we care about facts and feats and Asta ain’t got sh.t
        Imagine bringing speed when Magick Flaming Sword > Black Clover verse in terms of speed and Touma had no problem reacting to it.

      • I’m just spitting out facts right now though. Touma doesn’t have the speed to keep up with Asta. I don’t know what else to tell ya. It’s over for him

      • bLAh4 by your dumb logic Flash can beat Superman because he’s faster than Superman act like a debater instead of overhyping Asta

        Magick Flaming Sword is literally faster than anything Black Clover has shown and Touma easily reacted to it and stop it so nice try clown

      • Asta is the greatest!! That guy’s so hype though it’s unbelievable. I tear up when I talk about how great that guy is.

        Also, Touma has been tagged by humans and his speed is nothing great. Watch any episode out of the 3 seasons and you’ll see what I mean

      • STFU clown imagine Bringing Index Anime which is shit and makes the feats looks weak like in the Novel Accelerator stopped Earth’s rotation but in the Anime he was just threw a building, so don’t bring your filthy casual knowledge.

        Keep crying you’re not bringing any feats you’re just repeating nonsense and again Magick Flaming Sword speed >>> everything in Black Clover

      • Wait, I’m trying to stop crying long enough to respond to this comment but I need to cope more.

        Put it this way, the anime buffs most characters so if you’re saying it’s nerfing them then I think you’re reading into the books way too much. Touma’s never been a particularly powerful fighter. He’s a glass cannon like Sailor Moon who can dish out the damage but can’t take it. It’s why I always laugh at that guy.

        Asta would land a volley of blows on Touma and win. I don’t think he even needs the sword. Did you see what Asta did to Liebe without a sword? Oh noooooo!!! If he fights Touma like that then it’s over

      • STFU you clown, Anime buff characters ?? Are you even ok already let’s see
        In the Anime Aqcua only destroys the ground in the Novel he destroys the entire surroundings
        In the Anime Aqcua and Mark only destroys close tress in the Novel they destroy the entire mountain range
        In the Anime Gabriel didn’t do anything against AC army in the Novel Gabriel was op and mountain VAPORIZING attacks
        In the Anime Accelerator goes dumb against Touma and had 4 Black Wings in the Novel Accelerator was calculating counters and he also had 100 Black Wings
        In the Anime Fiamma doesn’t even destroy one building in the Novel he almost destroyed a city
        In the Anime Kanzaki was having trouble against Gabriel’s wings which didn’t do anything in the Anime in the Novel those same wings could easily destroy mountains and Kanzaki was stopping those attacks …..

        You’re the one who’s coping and making up lies do you think no Novel readers will speak up

      • Hey yooooooooo. I’m just spitting out facts, in most cases anime tend to have big buffs for everyone. It’s part of the overall package when animating stuff.

        I said I was the one coping in the last comment so not sure why you’re trying to flip it. Now it sounds like the novel has added more details in this case which is good but you forget something, I’ve read the first 3 novels myself. Touma was still getting schooled by humans and wrecked. I’ve even read the manga version up to the current volume. I think you’re mixing up outlier feats for main ones. Touma just isn’t that dude. He’s a glass cannon like Sailor Moon. That’s the scary part

      • Yoooooo I’m just spitting facts that you don’t know shit majority of Light Novel and Visual adaptation gets fcked up.

        Imagine reading only 3 volumes and acting like you’re right do you even get when I said Magick Flaming Sword is faster than anything Black Clover has shown I’m reading and caught up to Black Clover Manga but nothing in Black Clover is faster than Magick Flaming Sword so your speed claim is stupid

        And the power inside Touma won’t care if you’re fast that power literally made Fiamma scared as hell and the same Fiamma’s attacks are faster and stronger than Asta as well

      • You’re still underestimating my main man Asta though. Look Ima be frank here. Kirito is much stronger in the anime than the novels. Same for Haruyuki from Accel World. Lots of times the anime is the best. I would argue Touma was far stronger in Railgun than in the main series since his 3 dragons within the arm could act on their own. That said, even all of that can’t stop Asta.

        Asta wasn’t just fast but fast in combat for long periods of time. There’s no way the flaming sword could beat out his burst rushes and that’s before Asta gets serious. His anti magic also means that Touma can’t just break his sword. What does that mean in the end? It means that Touma is doomed for defeat.

        Fiamma was strong but he’s not at Asta’s level in the slightest. He didn’t even realize that he could have beaten Touma if he just destroyed the floor beneath him.

      • At least feel a little shame that you’re just supporting Asta because you want to and you’re literally arguing with me a guy who’s caught up with Black Clover and has read 50 FCKING PLUS INDEX NOVELS

        Pretty sure I’ve Heard Kirito has some universal shit in the Novel
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        So you’re saying Fiamma is slow base on what your Anime knowledge I literally gave you multiple scenarios were the Anime fcked up and you think it’s worse no cause they fcked up both Touma and Fiamma so hard

        Magick Flaming Sword comes from Keter do you even know what it means it’s like someone teleporting a needle inside you it just happens and Magick Flaming Sword has INFINTE ACCELERATION it’s literally Faster than Speed of light and Asta isn’t light speed and if you say Asta is light speed than you’re just delusional and bias, also also also Magick Flaming Sword can destroy the ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND PHASES WHICH MAKES IT MULTIVERSAL Black Clover literally doesn’t have any planet or even an Island buster even ACTUAL fans agree

        I’ve been in debates but I’ve never seen a Black Clover supporter just saying Asta or Black Clover character wins without posting actual feats and without knowing anything about the other series

      • I can’t feel shame in supporting Asta. Did you see when he even took out Vetto? I’d like to see Touma pull that off. Keep in mind that I’ve seen all of the Index seasons so in a way it’s like I finished reading all of the novels. I get what you mean about the novels having slightly better feats for Touma but that doesn’t seem to affect his speed.

        Again, he is very much like Sailor Moon. Touma can really destroy or block everything if he is fast enough to do so, but if you land a normal hit then he’s going down. I’ve seen him get punched out by normal dudes. A single slash by Asta would take him out and even Touma isn’t fast enough to dodge that. That’s where we’re bumping into a wall here. I’m trying to explain that Touma would absolutely get rocked. The guy can’t react or move like that. He also has no way to land a proper hit on Asta.

        Asta’s feats speak for themselves. Look at the speed he had when taking out Sekke. Touma has not shown himself to be fast enough to dodge such an attack and he definitely couldn’t endure it.

        As for the flaming sword, teleporting that inside of you sounds tough but that’s less speed and just plain teleportation

      • Nigga for once stop being Fcking delusional if you can’t bring actual feats than just stop with the debating, come join Spacebattle or Animevice were people actually post feats and see how everyone will make fun of you for being bias and delusional
        Vetto oh you mean when Asta got helped and he has a sword that’s why he won not because he was stronger, Nigga just STFU I’ve already told you that the Anime is bad but you’re still bringing Anime which proves that you’re just a bias fanboy and the Anime doesn’t even cover half of the Novel so again STFU please and bring me actual feats, Touma literally has better feats than Asta
        Oh you mean early Touma who didn’t had Precognition wow by this logic we should not include Ki sensing for Asta as well and Touma’s weakness is that his powers doesn’t work on normal stuff but only on Supernatural phenomenon like Magic, Espers, etc etc
        Do you have brain damage Asta is Fcking slow compare to Fiamma and what can Asta do huh scream Touma has blocked and reacted to Light Speed attacks and Asta isn’t light speed, guess what Asta is a single guy and Touma has reacted to multiple attacks like 100 Black Wings which he couldn’t cancel but he figured it out, 100’s of fire coming like rain, millions of magic Falling from the sky, 11 Arrows from Othinus at LIGHT SPEED WHICH ALSO CAME FROM A FCKING DIFFERENT DIMENSION so stop being stupid and bring me Asta being that fast..oh that’s right he’s not even close to light speed i know it because I also read Black Clover also imagine Bringing Asta’s single Slashes against Othinus who can fire millions of planet busting attacks at Light Speed IMFAO Asta has no way to land an attack cause he lacks FEATS
        Pffff and Touma can deal with faster shit funny how you’re bringing speed Bullshit while ignoring that I’ve brought Speed light do you get that HUH LIGHT SPEED WHICH INFINITE TIMES FASTER THAN WHAT ASTA DID
        Wow you really are dumb I just brought teleporting to make it easy for you to understand it but ofcourse you’re so bias that you’re just making shit and when you don’t even know anything by this logic i can also say Touma is a God or Black Clover verse is only building level, Nigga read INFINITE ACCELERATION FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED AND ALSO COMING FROM KETER A HIGHER DIMENSION THIS ATTACK IS SO FAST THAT NOT EVEN THOSE MILLIONS OF MAGIC ATTACK CAN COMPETE NOT EVEN THOSE
        LIGHT SPEED ARROWS WHICH ALSO CAME FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION CAN COMPETE, Touma has literally fought both stronger and faster characters than Asta so either bring feats or just STFU and leave cause you’re just wasting time now and guess what Touma did all those without any shitty new form power up that’s all from Imagine Breaker now imagine if i brought the Invisible Thing that power doesn’t have any name so the Fandom calls it Invisible Thing and in short IT

      • I respect your passion man but you’re overestimating Touma by a lot here. I’m not saying that he’s weak…but I’m not saying that he’s strong either. I think you’re mixing up the Touma feats a bit. Look, Touma is always running around with his luck ability but when it comes time for attacks he tends to falter. He had a tough time with Skill Out and those guys have no powers. He got creamed his his friend (Punk with the blond hair) and that guy’s a human. I’ll give you one lifeline here. I think when the chips are down Touma will always get up and fight for his friends. He’s not as heroic as Touma mind you but he’s still a good guy. I just wish he wouldn’t be so pervy parts of the time and could just be a hero straight up.

        Fiamma wasn’t that fast. Remember that I saw the show. He couldn’t even knock out the platform that Touma was on which would have won him the fight. The guy just kept aiming for Touma’s arm which was a big mistake. Touma isn’t that fast on foot. He has good reaction times but he isn’t moving like that. There’s no way for him to even hit Asta and he doesn’t have super stamina so he’ll get tired.

        You’re listing the same reaction times over and over again. How about listing an actual speed feat for Touma? A time he moved really fast. I’d like to see that because I’m telling you….it hasn’t happened. Touma’s just not that dude.

        Meanwhile Asta has speedblitzed every opponent that he fought. He was moving crazy fast against Dante, I’ve never seen any Index character move that fast while Asta keeps getting new super forms.

      • I’m mixing feats says the guy who make stuff up and hasn’t brought actual feats and like I said either come back with feats and just get lost you’re wasting both of our time
        Did you just ignored me saying that Touma’s power doesn’t work on Normal things and only works on Supernatural and Touma runs because he doesn’t fight if lives are not on the line, oh yeah because TOUMA’S POWER DOESN’T WORK ON NORMAL THINGS AND SKILL OUT MEMBERS ACTUALLY TRAIN LIKE OLYMPIC ATHELETES LOL YOU DON’T KNOW STUFF, Tsuchimikado actually knows Martial arts he didn’t used any magic against Touma and the Anime skipped out that he drugged Touma and you were saying Anime buff characters watching Index Anime is like reading Novels bLAh4 the Anime literally cut Touma’s childhood
        Nigga please STFU I don’t care about your opinions i care about feats Touma pervy oh you mean being an actual Teenager means someone’s pervy man you’re so stupid that now you’re just going after Touma with unnecessary nonsense and guess what real Teens are worse just because your Asta is a typical Shounen protagonist doesn’t mean other characters will be like that, Touma not heroic he literally died billions of times and suffered so much but guess what he forgave Othinus and became enemy of the world to save the person who put him through hell what did Asta do oh right nothing Asta did comes even close to that so making stuff up please you’re just making me mad Touma will fight for ANYONE if they turn a new leaf and ask for his help he isn’t your typical let’s beat the demon king character if the demon king decides to change he’ll fight for him
        STFU you Nigga the show is bad I’m repeating this you punk are you retærded or what i don’t care about your opinion bring me feats or just STFU and get lost imagine being this delusional Holy Right can stop light speed attacks and Fiamma instantly cutted Touma’s arm because he was playing around at first the Anime doesn’t even explain Fiamma’s power so STFU about i WaTchEd tHe aNimE stuff, in the Novel there was no platform you prick stop acting high and mighty when you’re just a Anime only Asta isn’t fast without his Anti Magic and if he uses Anti Magic than Touma has Precognition you prick Touma has dealt with faster foes stop being a Clown
        Nigga stop being retærded Touma has faced faster and stronger characters because of his reaction you prick just because a character has slow running speed doesn’t mean they’ll have slow reaction speed considering Touma has AN ABILITY CALLED PRECOGNITION WHICH WORKS AUTOMATICALLY with Anti Magic Asta is a human so by your logic we should not count Asta’s reaction speed, how about you listing Asta being stronger and faster than Light Speed you prick I’m constantly saying Touma has reacted to millions of light attack but you think Asta a single who’s way slower can hit him Superman doesn’t just win because of movement speed no his reaction speed because of Spidey Sense is the real factor like Touma’s Precognition
        Nigga STFU punk you’re literally ignoring me saying Light Speed you punk stop bringing your Anime only knowledge when I’m constantly telling you the Anime is a bad adaptation you wanna go huh ok I’ve never seen a light speed character in BC I’ve never an Island level character in BC Asta only speed blitzed weakling or strong characters with help Asta’s not that dude you prick unlike you prick I know Asta and Touma but you don’t know stuff about Touma so you’re just barking and making shit up please learn how to read and accept things instead of being delusional I’ve never seen light speed attacks which comes from a different dimension I’ve never seen Universe getting destroyed in BC

      • Check this out:

        “Asta is capable of moving in an above-average speed, which causes William Vangeance to think that he has used magic to aid himself”

        Straight from the Wiki. I think I’ve got you in checkmate here. So I understand that there was no platform in the novel but Touma still beat up Fiamma and it sounds like he didn’t have to move super speed to do it. So that’s the problem. Touma can’t move fast enough to do anything here. All you’ve been telling me is that he can stop light speed attacks because of his reaction times but that’s not going to be enough to stop the man, the myth, the legend -Asta! Asta is the man who will become the Wizard King.

        He may not have blown up universes yet but he took a direct volley from Bullyfero or as he’s more commonly known, Lucifero. What that means here is that Touma is absolutely doomed. There’s no hit he could land that would be able to hurt Asta. Asta’s defenses are too great. Both of their magic canceling effects would cancel out but Asta has better hand to hand skills to fall back on. Again, he’s way faster than Touma and that’s the critical factor.

        In the anime Touma is shown to be no faster than a normal human. We can take a look at the first few novels and it’s the same there. He can block attacks but he can’t move really fast. Blocking just isn’t enough to win the day for very long. You need something else, something bolder but Touma doesn’t have that. So that means that he is absolutely doomed and it feels bad. I don’t like Touma personally, I find him too pervy but that’s okay. Asta’s more my kind of character because he’s a hero’s hero. If you’re ever in trouble you could just think “What would Asta do?” and a little smile will tug at the corners of your face. That is why he is such a game changer.

        I think you need to go back and watch some of the Black Clover fights. It’s all really impressive just how powerful Asta is to the point where it could be a little deceptive. Not taking away from Touma but he’s more of a glass cannon here

      • Don’t care about what you say Asta isn’t light speed so STFU
        I got you checkmate so you’re being desperate Touma only beats Fiamma because Holy Right doesn’t know what output to put against Imagine Breaker and Fiamma got weak because of the interference
        You mean The trash the garbage I’m telling you stop wasting my time and stop making me mad you punk Touma can stop light speed attack if Asta can’t move faster than light speed than he can’t do anything you retærd it’s like saying oh a character stop and Dodge bullets but you’re still saying that a rock thrown by hand can be faster and imagine reading wiki
        And non of those Clowns are on the level of Magic God’s Asta is doomed Touma can react to millions of light speed attacks compare to Asta who’s not even close and can’t you read millions you fucker Asta defenses are shit against IT you’re still bringing Anime huh… STFU you punk Asta is trash he has no feats whatsoever of being able to beat God’s or even stop Universe level attacks Asta is garbage imagine not liking Touma because he acts like a normal kid meanwhile Asta is just typical copy cat character but worse you’re the punk who’s perv Asta is a perv who wants to marry a nun who aren’t suppose to get marry what would Asta do he’ll do his crappy speech and suddenly fights with plot armor Asta is no game changer he was crying when he lost his arm lmao meanwhile Touma didn’t even cared when he lost his arm and Imagine Breaker in the Novels Touma literary fought against a god and suffered so terribly that Asta looks like a rock on a road
        And that glass cannon character has more feats even Captain America is a glass cannon compare to Hulk but Captain America defeated Hulk in the comics how because he’s smart and knows everything isn’t about speed or strength and Touma has much more impressive feats so stfu with your delusion in thinking that Asta can hit Touma when he’s so slow compare to MILLIONS OF LIGHT SPEED ATTACKS GET THAT MILLIONS WHICH COVERED THE ENTIRE SKY

      • Asta may not be confirmed lightspeed yet but it doesn’t matter. He’s so much faster than Touma that it’s not even funny. Remember that he was also strong enough to tank direct hits from Lucifero over and over again. Touma has no way to even hurt the guy. Trust me on this one.

        Besides, Touma doesn’t have the mental fortitude to be on Asta’s level. Remember that he said he wouldn’t peek when they were at the hot springs while Touma is always messing around. Asta just wants the Nun to retire and then it’ll all work out. Lets go back to the speed though, Touma does suffer a lot against everyone because he’s weak. He cries and can’t handle stronger opponents. Meanwhile Asta be styling on everyone like it’s nobody’s business. He’s like Arby’s while Touma is Mcdonalds at this point.

        Touma is overconfident too and would probably try rushing at Asta which would not end well at all. All that will do is get him knocked out and I’ll be chuckling because I would have warned him to get back. You can’t hope to beat someone like Asta when you can’t catch him. Touma has no real speed or abilities to hit Asta with so he’s stuck

    • Good luck trying to get Dreager to actually provide evidence of his claims my guy. It’s like pulling teeth with a lot of vague explanations that often don’t make sense. I’ve gone through this on Greninja vs Galactus (which he hasn’t given an answer for in a long time) and Titanosaurus vs Toadman (which i’m also still waiting on)

      And when he does provide something, it’s often unrelated to the characters being used (Greninja vs Galactus), not indicative of what he’s attempting to prove or work directly against him. Throughout literally every exchange I’ve seen of his, he’s pretty much incapable of conceding important points he’s been proven wrong on.

      List the abilities,powers and general durability feats of Galactus has shown and ask him for direct proof that Greninja can even get close to them?

      He refuses to show any proof and truly address anything that would indicate that Greninja could actually have enough attack power to make Galactus even break a sweat. And when you get even a single video, it’s literally an entirely different pokemon getting their ass handed to them for the first chunk of a battle.

      When you get a response like this: “I’m just spitting out facts right now though. Touma doesn’t have the speed to keep up with Asta. I don’t know what else to tell ya. It’s over for him” with no elaboration you should know you’re dealing with someone who has a very limited ability to argue and defend his points properly. It comes off as if your essentially saying “Trust me bro” as a source in proving your arguments. Which obviously is just simply unhelpful for anyone.

      Always back your claims up with evidence outside this blog Dreager, as a lot of your arguments are too vague without it. It’s why I refused to engage with certain points because there simply wasn’t enough to go off of. You’ll have a better website if you do so.

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      • I know I still have to get back to one of the comments on the Toadman post but I thought I was caught up on the Greninja one. I’ll take a look and will get that taken care of.

        For Touma vs Asta, the difference in their speed levels is just too immense. Touma can barely handle human opponents like the girl with the tags. Going up against someone like Asta would be too much

      • You’re definitely not caught up on Greninja vs Galactus. The last thing you showed was the Lucario vs Gigantamax Machamp and the Galactus lightning blast video, both of which I refuted.

  2. I’m 2 year’s late but WHAT Asta can go hand to hand LMAO Touma can easily beat Asta in hand to hand and Touma has fought stronger and faster enemies than Asta, what’s behind Imagine Breaker is even more worse it has stopped a freaking planet busting attack what did Asta do? Touma has Precognition better than that Ki stuff which Asta Learned just by listening to Yami, and do you even know anything about Touma

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    • Touma’s not great at speed or hand to hand combat so I don’t see him matching Asta in close quarters combat. At the end of the day Touma’s a super glass cannon. He can tank just about any hit with his arm and he can also obliterate most opponents in the same tact. The issue is that physically he’s not all that powerful though. I’ve completed the whole Index series and by the end he never got as strong as Misaka or Accelerator

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      • have you ever seen asta do hand to hand combat ?, plus Touma has precognition if I remember correctly

      • I’d count swordplay in close quarter combat though. In a fist fight he should still win though just due to being too fast and strong

  3. BLAH4 it doesn’t matter what you think Asta isn’t light speed than he ain’t winning even Spiderman isn’t super fast as well but he can react to faster things like Supersonic attacks because of his senses like Touma but Touma’s senses are superior keep crying
    Othinus and Coronzon >>>>>>>> Lucifero
    I’ll keep it simple so you can understand it Asta is like a single bullet and Othinus is like a millions of light speed bullet if you still don’t get it than back off and don’t reply imagine saying Touma is overconfident when he uses his wits and strategy which you filthy Anime only don’t know but you still bark whatever you want and Asta is so dumb that he just rushes towards opponents like a Clown

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    • Touma is overconfident though. He probably figures he could block Asta’s sword and that’s where he is wrong. Asta is just too powerful and would cut right on through. Asta may not even be massively FTL yet but it doesn’t matter since Touma isn’t even supersonic. There’s just nothing that he could do to hit Asta so he would eventually give up. What is millions of light speed bullets to one well polished one with good aiming? Asta can read ki too so he knows exactly how to beat Touma. He could just yell “Index” and Touma will probably get super flustered and let his guard down

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      • Asta is overconfident he would think he can hit Touma and that’s when he’ll get close and lose cause of Imagine Breaker destroying Liebe and yes Imagine Breaker can destroy devil’s and Angel’s Asta isn’t even Aqcua level strong and Asta isn’t light speed so it doesn’t matter wow you really like to make stuff up huh you punk Touma will just yell Sister Lily and Asta will lose his stuff and cry like a girl wow I used bullets example to make things easy for you but now you’re bitching around keep crying punk and Othinus has lived for millions of years she’s a God of War not like those trash BC Characters so imagine saying Othinus doesn’t have good aim when every attack was for Touma and her Arrows which comes FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION all of those were perfectly aimed at Touma which again non of BC characters can do cause they have shit aim
        And you wanna lie and make up stuff than ok I’ll do it as well Asta is only building level happy now get lost and don’t reply or actually bring Asta being Faster than anything Othinus has

      • You’re underestimating my boy Asta. Remember that he defeated Sekke back during the original invitation arc. Taking out Touma would be easy for him. Touma hasn’t really done much of anything against powerful opponents when they weren’t sandbagging. Imagine Breaker is not doing anything to Asta’s sword and won’t destroy Liebe by extension. Asta would clobber Aqcua but it would be a tougher fight than Touma.

        You seem to think that Touma’s one of the strongest characters in his series but he isn’t. Any of the 4 warriors who work under god like Aqcua would beat him. Accelerator’s still stronger as well as almost all of the Level 5 espers. You are overestimating Touma by a lot. Asta also wouldn’t panic if Touma yelled about Lily and would just beat him up lol. Asta’s just built different. built different. Yeah that’s right, yes sir! Asta is the real hero and I’ve already explained why he would win. He’s faster than Touma.

      • You’re overestimating Asta Sekke is garbage taking out Sekke is easy for anyone even an average Magician Nigga you only watch Anime so STFU Imagine Breaker can kill a Superior Demon like Coronzon so STFU that same Coronzon can Destroy the Multiverse and Magic God’s can’t kill her
        When someone ask for a feat you provide it I’ve literally said how Touma has reacted to millions of light speed attacks but you think Asta a Clown way slow can hit Touma when he can react to millions of light speed attacks that’s why I’m asking bring me feats if he doesn’t have faster than Light Speed feats than you stop that’s how debate works funny how every debater ask for feats and good debater provides it but you’re not doing it and making excuses and even making your own rules saying Imagine Breaker can’t do anything to Liebe lol keep crying Acqua would clobber Asta Asta’s strongest feat is him stopping that one attack from hitting the kingdom but he needed Anti Magic but Acqua even when he was weakened destroyed the entire range they were in with just Brute force alone no magic to buff himself just his strength so stop being delusional
        Who says Touma is the strongest he has feats of fighting stronger and faster people do you get that STRONGER AND FASTER PEOPLE THAN ASTA but here you are whining and bitching about it instead of providing feats of Asta being Faster cause that’s the only way he can hit him cause like I said TOUMA HAS FOUGHT STRONGER AND FASTER PEOPLE LET THAT SINK IN YOU RETÆRD funny how you’re making shit up about Touma getting mad if Asta just says Index which proves you’re desperate punk Touma is built different unlike that crying bitch Asta
        Asta isn’t a real hero he’s a stupid kid now bring me feats of Asta being Faster i’ve said it and I’ll say it again because you’re just ignoring it TOUMA HAS FOUGHT STRONGER AND FASTER PEOPLE THAN ASTA so stop wasting my time and don’t reply if you can’t even prove that because you’re wasting your time as well don’t reply and be done with it or we’ll continue it for so long

      • Check this out

        https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/blackclover/images/8/83/Asta_and_Sekke_-_Exam_Battle.png/revision/latest?cb=20210518192355

        Asta moved in so fast that the guy was still talking.

        https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyaM6Isjqx_V1Ap5mvqJMSYRN3SiySc0bqdA&usqp=CAU

        There wasn’t anything that Touma can do. That’s what I’ve been saying. Asta is on a completely different level. His speed ensures that Touma can never catch him at all. Doesn’t matter how fast he can react when he can’t fight back in time. That’s the difference between the champs and the chumps. Asta is still more of a hero than Touma will ever be and you can take that to the bank. Think about it, that’s why everyone loves Asta so much

      • Wow you really wanna do this huh ok
        Touma didn’t had Precognition and Precognition works on Supernatural threat you punk
        Yeah still not faster now stop barking and don’t reply you’re wasting my time seriously don’t you have a life outside of internet bye

      • That’s game set and match. Touma’s just not fast enough to react to anything and Asta’s too fast. There’s a reason why they call him the black bullet. Asta doesn’t miss. He just keeps on landing those big fat Ws everywhere he goes. It’s why I call him a winner, because Asta doesn’t go down. I cry just thinking about how strong he is. Touma can’t do anything when he’s this slow and that’s the issue

      • That’s game over Asta isn’t fast enough to hit Touma a bullet isn’t faster than light Asta can’t do anything when he’s slow and Don’t reply

      • Asta’s still faster than Touma so that’s game over. He can just grab Touma and put him in a wrestling choke hold like he did to the villains. Touma’s not strong enough to break out of that so that’s it for him. These two are in different leagues

      • Touma still wins so it’s game over Asta is not fast enough and since you have brain damage you don’t know that slow characters like Spiderman and Touma has reaction speed that’s how they fight against faster people

      • Reaction speed is great but it’s no substitute for actual speed. It will let Touma keep fighting for a little while but that’s not enough to win. Ultimately he would still be overwhelmed by Asta

      • His reaction speed allows him to fights against light speed opponents and stronger than your Asta opponent so stfu clown and you don’t reply since you’re a Clown and even some other people think that plus I was the one who said not reply first but you’re replying which prove that you’re bias and can’t even do something so simple

      • Reaction times isn’t enough to fight against light speed opponents, especially not someone as fast as Asta. Remember that Asta is the chad of Wano and the man who will become the Hokage. What I mean by that is if he was in any of those other series then he would win with ease. That’s how good he is

      • Stop making your own rules punk Touma, Spiderman, Daredevil etc fight and wins because of reaction speed and senses this is normal in fiction which I guess BC fans wouldn’t understand and Asta isn’t doing stuff
        and wow why are you still replying wow can’t even accept a simple request

      • Don’t forget that speed wins battles. Reaction times are not enough to make the difference because you can’t counter attack. Asta be having tight reactions and speed which is why he’s the GOAT. Nobody messes with Asta and that’s just the way I like it. Trust me on this one, nobody’s beating Asta, especially not Touma. There’s just nothing he can do in this fight

      • STFU speed Doesn’t win if the opponent has Precognition which can automatically stop light speed attacks and Asta is weaker and slower than Coronzon
        I read the Manga so yeah I have no reason to trust you and again stop replying let your ego go because I asked you first but you’re still replying

      • Speed is key. Precog isn’t a natural counter to that. You need to re read Black Clover from the start and focus on how awesome Asta is. You’ll see that his speed and strength are still far beyond anything Touma can pull off. It’s why he’s in a completely different league altogether.

        Trust me on this, Touma is strong but he’s not nearly as strong as Asta. Asta also has his union mode which amps up his speed even further and makes this really crazy

      • And Touma has fought stronger and FASTER opponent so STFU Asta fanboy who is constantly ignoring this and being a hypocrite and for the love of God I beg you please and don’t reply and let me live

      • It doesn’t matter that he’s fought faster and stronger opponents. That still doesn’t mean he would be able to land a blow against Asta. Keep in mind that this is a 1 on 1 fight so he can’t be saved by his friends like always. Asta solos here but he will make sure to give Touma a fair shake in court afterwards

      • It does Matter punk because you’re keep saying that Touma can’t do anything to Asta because he’s fast when Touma has fought FASTER opponent seriously go to and doctor or ask someone anyone with common sense will get this Asta solos nothing
        And stop replying punk I even said In the name of God but you’re replying wow this proves you’re trash and egotistical please stop replying you’re only wasting time

      • Asta solos though. You’d have to give me a real reason how he could hit someone who is so much faster than him. The answer is that he can’t. In the anime it’s clearly shown that Touma has no supernatural physical attributes. He reacts and moves with the speed of a normal human. Asta was clear of that back in the pre arc. It’s why he is so much stronger

      • That’s like saying because Spiderman hit Superman that he could hit Kirito. It doesn’t work like that, you have to look at the context and the stats. Touma is found lacking in both

      • STFU and stop replying and Asta isn’t Superman plus you don’t get to ask context when you’re still barking Asta is fast bullshit when he isn’t even fast like characters Touma fought

      • Asta is incredibly fast though and may as well be Superman with how powerful he is. Context is always important here and that’s how we know that Touma couldn’t hit Asta without it. My man’s is too fast

      • Oh if you have to go then you don’t gotta reply now. Just come back whenever you have time but if not then just don’t forget to read Black Clover

      • I’ve already read Black Clover so stop saying this unlike you I have read Both series and I know both of them that’s why what I say has more weight than what you say Now don’t reply

      • It’s never bad for a re read though. I have read it so many times at this point. Not the whole series mind you but just the big moments. It’s just too good to put down

      • What are you talking about man? You’re the one sending me comments. As the site owner I have to respond to all comments so I can’t stop as long as you’re still going. Asta clears btw

      • And who said you should reply everytime ESPECIALLY when someone is asking you to stop it and ESPECIALLY when someone asked for it first Asta Doesn’t clear btw

      • That’s just how it’s always been. Gotta reply to everything or that’s game over. So it just keeps on going forever if you’re trying to get the final comment. Works for me though since I get more views that way.

        Asta clears though, that’s what I’ve been trying to say. He’s got the speed to pull it off.

      • I haven’t heard of those though. Why does it matter who has the last comment though. If you want to leave you just say that you’ve said your piece and keep it moving. In a way my responding helps because then if you ever want to come back and explain how Asta wins you can just find my comment.

        Asta has his swords though so with them he clears. Longer combat range than Touma

      • Because you ignored what I’ve said, brought Anime when I said Anime is a bad adaptation and didn’t listen, made stuff up, made things that didn’t happened, you false things about characters when you don’t know them and you ask why if Asta is a hero than why are you like this be noble at least now and stop cause I was so madasta ain’t clearing

      • Hey I’ve been toning your comments down to a PG level for the site so you have to admire the hustle here. That said, the anime was still a lot of fun so I don’t get why you don’t like it. It’s the definitive Index experience if you ask me. Also, Asta is incredible and I live my life as if I was Asta sometimes. I work out and show the world my true power. It’s why I feel heroic all the time and yeah Asta’s clearing. Put it this way, Touma can react to him but he isn’t fast enough to do anything about it

      • You say this when you’re the one who made me mad by constantly ignoring what I said, false accusation etc etc majority of people will lose their stuff consider you did all of those again after I explained things cleary

      • Ha, I getcha man. Anyway it’s always fun with the edits. The s word becomes “stuff” and the f becomes “punk” so I have that set as the standard. Now when people come in to debate the Asta battle they should have some good references

      • Everyone isn’t your enemy you make them this was that situation and NOW YOU’RE SUDDENLY REPLYING WELL THIS PROVES YOU KNOW HOW TO READ BUT YOU WERE NOT LISTENING TO ME FOR GOD KNOWS WHY AND THAT’S PISSED ME SO MUCH

      • What do you mean I’m suddenly replying? I’ve been replying to every comment so far. On time and with extra cool stats each time because I want to make sure you feel heard

      • REPLYING WELL how can you not read it the WELL part considering at first you were cleary not replying this WELL by ignoring what I said, constantly bringing some things i told you are not true etc

      • Oh, I see what you mean. I’ve been replying very well though, if I was a grammar teacher I’d be giving myself an A the whole time. I think you lost sight of the trees for the forest during the debate. The big thing here is that speed is the key factor and Touma didn’t have enough of it

      • No cap though, I’m just pointing out that when you factor in the speed that’s really game over. Same with Touma vs Kirito. Now if you want a light novel character than Touma can beat, I’ll grant you that he may stand a chance against Lina or Orphen

      • https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com%2Ff%2F099f1260-b2dc-41b2-931c-974e31b17b2e%2Fdedwzxr-04e1395f-8fd0-442b-9437-63ffb0265d1b.png%2Fv1%2Ffill%2Fw_1280%2Ch_720%2Cq_80%2Cstrp%2Fblack_clover___noelle_slaps_asta_by_soundmast_dedwzxr-fullview.jpg%3Ftoken%3DeyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzIwIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMDk5ZjEyNjAtYjJkYy00MWIyLTkzMWMtOTc0ZTMxYjE3YjJlXC9kZWR3enhyLTA0ZTEzOTVmLThmZDAtNDQyYi05NDM3LTYzZmZiMDI2NWQxYi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.MHi-cw2VUVuwW4PhdgphE35kMTiGjpymrk1C7RlWsFg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviantart.com%2Fsoundmast%2Fart%2FBlack-Clover-Noelle-slaps-Asta-869901039&tbnid=hZvj60_0R4ZvAM&vet=1&docid=q2PnP7stae6fnM&w=1280&h=720&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim
        Oh look Asta is so slow

      • Asta is still stronger though. Just accept that Touma can’t win this round but he put up a valiant fight which is really what counts in the end tbh

      • Doesn’t matter, he can fight faster people but he can’t beat them. Asta will keep on charging until he wins and Touma can’t stop him since he’s just too slow

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