King Dedede is finally back to fight again! His hammer shouldn’t be underestimated and he can definitely fight with the best of them! King Caesar knows his hand to hand combat, but in the end he couldn’t hope to win against someone like King Dedede! King Dedede just has too much power. King Dedede wins.
Fanfic version below
DReager1.com 
I’m glad to see Dedede finally get a win. In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, he’s my second best character and his theme is one of my favourite musics. Plus he’s so often pegged as the villian when, really, he’s usually only trying to help his people.
And now he’s defeated a Kaiju! Good job Dedede! I’d like to see him win a few more fights in future. Before this one he’d lost most if not all of his fights.
Yeah, in SSBB he was cool. He even took down Bowser in one of the cutscenes.
Yeah, you’re right. On the blog he hasn’t been doing good. Well, things could look up once Records hits. With the new rankings will come new tied spots and usually characters end up fighting those who they were tied with. So, there’s a chance he could take the win. Sadly, it seems like you’re his only fan on the site so far. Though maybe this request was meant to help him. We can only hope 🙂
Either way he’ll definitely be back since he has some classics coming!
Is this a joke bro , wth? Just……. just……. damn bro. Not only will he smash dedede with his toe, he will scorch, karate chop, and take everything dedede’s got (and let’s hope it’s not energy powered, just pray) just to slap the midget away. Even if he was up to scale with dedede, martial arts and solar beams would end his sorry behind. Honestly, i don’t know what else to say…… *stares off into space*.
King Caesar is a lot bigger I’ll give you that, but King Dedede has speed on his side and his hammer (mallet?) will deal some serious damage. I just don’t think that King Caesar will be able to hit him. He’s so small compared to King Caesar and he’s fast. It’s like trying to catch a speeding dog if he were the size of an apple. Sometimes the size disadvantage helps a lot
Also, from what I’ve seen (and ive been into kirby since i was a child) dedede’s only interest is in gaining things for himself and trying to take things. I don’t have a problem with dedede, but saying he beats K.C. (a feat i doubt anybody on super smash could do) is just wrong, border line disrespectful, 😦 not cool guys.
King Dedede is a selfish person, but you can’t deny that he’s quite the fighter. He did take Bowser down after all in Subspace Emissary. Though I’ll have to disagree with KC beating everyone in Smash Bros. He may find some steep competition with Samus, Link, Sonic, and Fox among others. He is powerful though, but beating King Dedede can be tough
Dreager, bro…… are you joking with me :-)….. please say yes… dedede is slow so he gets stomped, bad and his hammer won’t do a thing to caesar if a mecha godzilla couldn’t put him down dedede is waisting his time, plus his reaction time is superior to dededes (who is potrayed as sluggish and rather slow when compared to theres). Taking out bowser (which btw would be nothing to caesar) is a feat ti use against say, mario, but against the king he has nothing. Yes the hammer has a rocket engine in the back the caesar has taken large missles so that’s useless. Dedede is not fast at all and if he can move his head to catch eye beams, then dedede is toast. Plus caesar has his solar beam projection which would help king caesar from wasting his time. But lers recap strength-king caesar (horribly outmatched!) Speed-king caesar (speed and reaction time) durability-king caesar(nuff said) energy projection- nuff said. I think ceasar, no.know,
lol, I seriously think King Dedede has this round. Speedwise I’d definitely give him the edge. He can outmaneuver King Caesar and land an onslaught of hits against him. King Caesar won’t be able to hit him because King Dedede will be all over the place. Physically King Caesar is probably stronger, but the hits that King Dedede lands will add up pretty quickly. So, as long as he stays out of King Caesar’s attacks then he should have this
Bro, king dedede losses this so bad it’s ridiculous. Power: dedede took on bowser, who king caesar would beat with a pinky. Caesar made m.g. cringe in pain. Winner caesar. Speed: dedede has a jet powered mallet(which btw, he floes clumbsy eith) ohhhhh. King caesar has speed and reflexes fast enough to move and reflect a beam back into someone’s eyes speed/reflexes, easily K.C. durability: dedede took on bowser :-, k.c. took on mechagodzilla, almost got beaten to death (via missiles, punches, and C.I.S.) and came back fighting easily K.C. any other abilities? Dedede, stomps on ground causing a quake that would not affect a block, can inhale small objects, summon waddle dees and other servants who get owned by kirby K.C.: martial arts, solar beams (which alone would end the fight), energy absorbtion, jumping ability, reflexes fast enough to smash this penguin into blood and bones. Advantage: surprise surprise K.C. this is a joke so please change the outcome before an even more aggresive K.C. fan comes raging here and ruining everyone’s day, thanks :-).
I dunno about that. Powerwise King Caesar is stronger than King Dedede, but King Dedede’s definitely got the speed advantage here. King Caesar can cover more ground because he’s bigger, but otherwise King Dedede’s got the agile advantage because of his size. King Caesar is durable, but King Dedede will just keep on hitting him and hitting him and hitting him…etc, and King Caesar won’t be able to stop him because of the size difference. I don’t think he would be able to land a solid blow on King Dedede. So, eventually, after a lot of punches and kicks, King Dedede would have won the match. King Caesar is physically stronger, but it’s not always enough
No, i know caesar takes this. This is a sad day for humanity….
No worries, I’m sure King Caesar will be back for a win at some point
Wasting, get it :-D? Also he could defeat most everyone on super smash (samus and sonic (super sonic) being exceptions, and samus is a big maybe due to caesar’s asorbing abilities).
Yeah, I saw what you did there 😎
I dunno, him beating Link would be tough. One Light Arrow could mean game over. Also Fox has his trusty arwing which is incredibly fast, but it would be interesting to see them duke it out
Lol glad you liked it. Also light arrow is tough, but solar beam is tougher, not to menyion it’s really small compared to him also i was thinking that too but he (along with the great fox) got owned but the halbert so i think king caesar moving his beam after his plane would be too much for him.
Well, the Arwing is a lot more maneuverable than the Great Fox, so hitting it with a beam would be tough. Plus with the barrel roll it can deflect some beams. For Link, the Light Arrow is usually a one hit KO. Plus he can just shoot a bunch of them and since KC is so huge it would be tough to dodge. The Super Smash fighters can be pretty tough at times. (Though I think the Great Fox should have beaten the Halberd)
Also missiles > sorry mallet wielded by weak penguin.
True, they are better than a mallet, but it all depends on who’s using the mallet
Dedede’s not weak and I don’t think you give him enough credit (in most games it does turn out he had everyone’s best interests in mind in some way), and I would definitely like to see him get some wins, but I also think DReager doesn’t give the sheer size and power of most kaijus enough credit, and I’d probably go with Caesar on this one (sorry Dedede). but I’d
Yeah, I’ll admit that I’ve never found the Kaiju as impressive as more other Big Godzilla fans. I’ve always been more speed over size. Like how I am probably one of the few who thinks that Batman could give Godzilla a decent fight (without power ups) Well, either way I’m sure both characters will get more wins in the future
No, i don’t think dedede is weak and he could definetely beat wario, but come on, king caesar? That is just ridiculous and a sight that enrages my heart. Sure dedede (in some games) cares about others but for the most part i see greed, but hey im not an avid kirby fan so you may be right. Bottom line though, king caesar smashes this guy. Speed can only do.so.much, not to mention he is as slow as a penguin! If it were flash then yes, but king dedede has no chance here and neither does batman (if he didn’t have prep.) Lol.
Alright, let’s put out the big guns for King Dedede then. He’s so powerful that he can possibly shatter mountains and he can also shoot dark blasts of energy from his stomach. So, he just needs to avoid King Caesar long enough for all of the hits to add up and knock King Caesar out of the fight. Also King Dedede can go up to Supersonic speeds and with his Warpstar he’s pretty much FTL
Hey, can you change that to caesar wins?
Well, I still think King Dedede has this round….
Im back :-), and how in the world does he have this round?
Well, he’s really maneuverable and with his dark energy blasts he can deal a massive amount of damage in a short period of time. King Caesar won’t be able to hurt him because he won’t be able to hit him. So, King Caesar can only endure for so long
Wait before i start refuting this, when has he shown the ability to da any of this?
It was when he was possessed by Dark Matter that his abilities were enhanced and he could shoot dark blasts of energy
In ssbb?
I think it was Kirby Dreamland 2, but I may be mistaken. I mix up the Kirby games a lot
Its cool, we all do it sometimes ;-). So shall we begin?
The debate? All right, let’s go for it! 😎
Cool! Now as you know i am for K.C. to take this and i think he can even beat this new version of dedede. Now i don’t know this dedede’ abilities by heart, so ill go off what you told me. Now the energy blast wouldn’t work since k.c. can absorb energy, but now here’s the question, has dedede actually broken/destroyed a mountain with a punch and has the warp star actually been stated to fly at light speeds, I’ve never seen it do that.
Well, technically the warp star appears to be that fast since it travels across space in an instant from extremely long distanced. As for the mountain feat, supposedly it was gotten through power scaling. For now to defend King Dedede I guess I’ll mostly just use the abilities that I know more about.
His hammer is extremely powerful and he can use it to take some seriously heavy hits against King Caesar. It seems to work like a cannon in Super Smash and in the past it was capable of making thunder shockwaves when King Dedede hit the ground. So, if he hits the ground hard enough with the hammer, it can stun King Caesar and give King Dedede enough time to whack him a number of times with the hammer. Then he just needs to keep on using that strategy until King Caesar goes down
Oh cool, and oh well while it is true that his hammer can cause shockwaves that are powerful, they are no where near as powerful enough to even affect K.C. king caesar has been bombarded by missiles and beaten almost to death by k.c and come back fighting so it’ll take a little (and i don’t mean literally little, but I’m sure you understand) more than hammer swings from him to even get k.c. to notice.
I dunno, his hammer is immensely powerful. A couple of good swings and I think KC would definitely feel it. Now, I’m not saying that King Dedede could pick him up and throw him (Because that’s a bit farfetched) but I think his physical power is still close enough that he can deal some major damage. Plus King Caesar won’t be able to hit King Dedede because of how agile and quick he is.
Hmm, lett me put it like this, if mechagodzilla had to beat him nearly to death to stop him (and he got up right after godzilla was fighting him) than there is nothing dedede can do to phase him. And bro dedede picking him up a little far fetched!? Lol he will be lucky to get a glance from K.C. he won’t be doing a little bit of damage, much less major damage. Dedede is slow as heck, and K.C. has speed superior to godzilla, who is able to tag rodan (who goes waaaay faster than dedede) plus dedede is small so avoiding one hit will take alot of steps, and he’s not that agile, at all.
Well, I’m not sure about that. King Dedede’s power is extremely intense and it will be like getting beat up by Mecha Godzilla. King Dedede isn’t really slow and he can be nimble enough to dodge all of King Caesar’s attacks and keep on launching counterattacks. King Caesar is giant, but the size difference will prove to be his downfall because it’s extremely hard to hit a moving, small target.
What, dedede is no where near in M.G. range of strength! Hitting bowser is one thing (who can go toe to toe with dedede) hitting caesar is another. He may be nimble compared to bowser, but he is not fast enough to dodge k.c.’s attacks. Hitting a small but fast thing is one thing, but dedede is not fast enough to dodge his large limbs and that is a great distance to cross in a short amount of time, plus he can fry him with solar beams.
He’s still incredibly tough. He even took out Luigi in one hit! I think the damage will definitely add up after he keeps on smashing. He’s still decently quick so if King Caesar tries to hit him, he can just roll out of the way and keep on jumping out of range. The beams are good, but since he fired from his eyes, it will be tough to hit a target on the ground. King Dedede can keep on whacking away
Taking out luigi<less than useless. Mulitple missiles did nothing to him, unless you're saying a missile=dedede's hammer. Dedede has never shown to be fast (even people in ssbb can tag him, including bowser) so i don't think he'll be evading anything. It would be like supes frying an ant, and whacking will do absolutely nothing.
Well, missiles are good, but King Dedede’s hammer is hitting King Caesar at one point, so you could make the case that the since the power is more focused it could still do some pretty solid damage. Well, if you count gameplay then he tags Sonic…Well, it’s tougher for King Caesar because the size difference is even greater than Superman and an ant. He couldn’t look that far down without hitting himself with the blast. So King Dedede can take advantage of this and land some good hits in
Dedede can hit on king caesar all he wants (which i might add is unlikey since k.c. is pretty fast) he just doesn’t have the feats to suggest it will do anything. Right, gameplay shouldn’t be counted, but that’s even worse because on everthing else he is slower than he is on there. The size distance is not greater, it is about the same (check godzilla unleashed) if not smaller. He doesn’t have to hit him directly with the beam and getting near him will be be more than enough.
Well, it’s like if you punch a bodybuilder. Eventually the hits will add up. Plus, King Dedede is still a power hitter so his strength is intense. Well King Caesar is like 100-300 feet right? So compared to King Dedede’s under 10 feet…it’s a pretty big difference. Getting the beam near him will be tough. King Dedede’s pretty fast and he can jump pretty high
Except this bodybuilder won’t sit there and has feats to prove that he can actually tag dedede. Plus he would have to use all his might with each blow, and he can’t do that. Yeah, and an ant is a little over (or under) a centimeter while a human is like 6 feet……. so if supes can do it so can he. Also I’ll accept the jumping ability (which is slow and will probably be hit by his fist) but he is not fast, at all.
True, but he’s far too big. Superman….is Superman, so he can do pretty much anything, but King Caesar will have an extremely hard time landing a hit on King Dedede. If he were to hit him, he could cause some massive damage, but King Dedede is too quick and small. He can stay away from King Caesar’s attacks while pounding away at his health until it’s all gone.
Dude, him firing a beam at his foot is not far fetched and it would toast dedede, point blank. Dedede is not quick at all so please stop saying that, he’s pretty slow bro. Caesar is not a brittle brick wall and is way to durable for any of dedede’s moves. Knocking out luigi is his best feat, which means nothing, at all. King caesar takes this.
Yes, but assuming that King Dedede dodges the blast, then he’ll just have injured himself. Plus, King Dedede can keep on using his projectiles from behind him so that he can’t absorb it. The blasts and hits will definitely add up fast. He’s durable, but he’s definitely not durable enough to withstand such a pounding for too long. King Dedede isn’t the fastest guy around, but his speed/agility should be enough to dodge the attacks for long enough
Dude, even if he misses the blast will be so hot it will fry him. Dedede has no feats of strength to suggest he could do.anything to k.c. plus even if he hit him from behind his, whole, body is a capacitator so it will not matter. Also dedede would have to cover alot of ground to avoid those hits, and he has no spees feats to suggest that.
King Caesar’s body is a capacitor for solar energy. King Dedede’s blasts are pretty much the opposite of solar so that shouldn’t be able to help him. King Dedede is a powerful…power hitter. His attacks will definitely be doing some damage to King Caesar. From the Kaiju’s King Caesar’s strength isn’t exactly high tier and his defense is only okay. So, King Dedede should be able to chip away at his health and he just needs to dodge the attacks. It’s not so much speed that will save him, but agility and acrobatics. The size difference will save him
Might I say, whilst I still don’t know if Dedede can win this, bear in mind our main point of reference against him is Kirby, a being never to be taken lightly. He took out a city-sized Subspace Battleship on the Dragoon in one swoop.
That was definitely an impressive feat. In that one scene he pretty much out shined all of the other heroes. Not to mention that he also freed the guys that King Dedede had gotten, so he definitely did a lot of work for the team
True, and bro i understand 🙂 but even then kirby was on the dragoon, a powerful (legendary) weapon and if were someone else in kirby’s place with his experience, they could do it too. So it is not so much a feat for kirby as it is the dragoon.
But Kirby’s experience is also a key part. Since he had to drive carefully to make sure and hit the target without crashing
Yes, i stated that earlier, but dedede is not kirby.
True, but he’s been able to give Kirby a good fight in the past which is pretty impressive
True, he has but that’s a long way from k.c. bro.
Yeah, but if King Dedede follows the smash and hide plan, he should have this. He’s too small and agile for King Caesar to land a solid blow and his power is good enough to deal some damage
Dude, he has no feats to suggest that he could phase him. He is not fast, at all and his legs are too stubby to get him anywhere, he’s slow. He will be smashed, because king caesar is actually fast.
His hammer speaks for itself! Enough swings of that will put down many enemies. His speed/agility should be sufficient to keep this as a good battle. King Caesar can cross more ground because he’s bigger, but that’s also why he loses this round. King Caesar is small and nimble so King Caesar won’t be able to smash him
His hammer’s greatest feat is one shoting luigi, which means nothing to k.c. So his strength is irrelevant and will do nothing, at all. Dedede is not fast/ nimble at all and can’t cover enough ground in enough time to avoid any of his attacks. He has shown no feats that would show that he has the speed/strength to do anything. He should lose, bad.
That’s still a decent feat and while King Caesar is durable, he’s not completely in another league compared to these guys. King Dedede’s mallet is enough to bring even the strongest of opponents to their knees. His hits will do some serious damage. King Dedede is just way too big to even hope to land a solid hit on King Dedede. By the time he reaches down to blast or kick King Dedede, Dedede will already be behind him. King Dedede is just too agile
Right, he’s not in a league above them, he’s in leagues above them. His hits will do no damage whatsoever. K.c. is fast (i have given examples) and will squish dedede since you know, he’s slow. Deded has no speed feats to suggest he can do that.
I dunno about that. I think King Dedede is a bit tougher than you think. His powerful strikes even make shockwaves which can paralyze King Caesar. Giving King Dedede even have more opportunity to land some solid hits on King Caesar. King Caesar won’t be able to squish Dedede. Dedede would just dodge or maybe even jump on his foot and keep on hitting him
Dedede can create shockwaves, but while it may affect mario, it has not shown sufficient enough strength to do anything to k.c., he stomps pretty fast and if he does jump on his feet he has a solar beam waiting on him, which he will not survive.
The shockwaves are intense so I don’t see how it wouldn’t affect King Caesar. The solar beam would do a Lot of damage if it were to hit and that’s a big if. I think Kind Dedede’s just too small and agile
Intense to mario/human, yes. Intense to 300 fot golem, no. The solar beam wouldn’t do immense damage, it would kill him. And dedede is not fast plus the beam is large to him so it’ll be easier to hit him.
King Caesar’s energy beams aren’t that big and I’m not sure that one hit could destroy King Dedede. It definitely would do a lot of damage though. The hammer will keep on smashing into King Caesar until the Kaiju finally goes down. He won’t be able to stand up against that onslaught forever. King Dedede is just far too powerful
I’m going to make three qiuck points. 1. His beams are surely larger that 10ft in diameter, which is more than enough to tag his slow behind. 2. His beams would evaporate him bro. It’s liek saying he could survive a more concentrated atomic blast :-‘ 3. He has no strength feats to suggest he can do a mininimum amount of damage to k.c. nor speed at that, sorry.
His beams are large, but King Dedede just needs to stay out of their way. Plus every time King Caesar uses the blast, he’s using up solar energy which could leave him tired. I’m not sure that he’d die after one blast. King Dedede is pretty durable after all. Powerwise, King Dedede’s pretty good. He’s just never had to use his incredible power that much. But you can feel the power behind his blows in Super Smash and the Kirby games.
He won’t be that tired (he is in the sun afterall) and i doubt it will take more than two shots, Dedede is not quick. If the blast hurts another kaiju, then they will instantly fry him. I agree he has awesome strength, but even if he is holding back, it won’t be enough, he would need to lift more than 80 tons.
True, he won’t get tired so easily, but it’ll still be tough for him to land a solid hit on King Dedede. He’s slow and while not the fastest character out there, he’s definitely fast enough! He can stay out of the energy blasts range and keep on swinging. It’d be cool to see him lifting 80 tons, but that would definitely be tough. It’s possible, but we can’t be sure of exactly how strong he is so far. I think the hits will add up though
K.c. has had to react to missiles so dedede’s speed won’t be overwhelming, rather it may be slow. Dedede is not fast enough to get out of range and will be killed. He is strong, but he’s out of his league. He’s have to.be the thing strong to do anything and he’s not so.it’s safe to say his power=nothing worth noting. He’s also not fast enough to do anything….. just restating.
King Caesar is technically faster since he can cover a lot more ground and he’s much larger, but I don’t think that it will be enough to stop King Dedede. King Dedede can stay close so that he can dodge all of King Caesar’s attacks while counterattacking and his power is probably around Thing level. He did survive the ceiling falling on him in Super Smash after all
🙂 thanks and he could stay close, but that would mean he would have to cover less distance to hit him, which is one of dedede’s main focuses right now, staying away. He would have to cover more distance in a smaller time interval, which dedede couldn’t do before much less now. If all else falls, he’d laser him. Also, as strong as the thing!? :-O…………
Well, it’s like an ant. If you reach down to try and pick it up, it’ll just skedaddle behind you. By the time you turn around it’s behind you again. King Caesar will keep on trying to get at King Dedede, but King Dedede will always be a bit out of reach. And all the time he will be hitting and hitting away. Well, the Thing is pretty strong so it’s one of those mysteries…
While a constructive argument is fun, by this point both of you are repeating the same points a lot.
Yeah, but eventually the infinite circle will probably switch. Like once King Caesar finally appears in the comics (New series coming out soon) That could make or break the fight
Buddy, this stopped being a constructive arguement a thousand post ago lol. Hopefully i will see something i missed or you will. I suggest we go back and see were the refutes for each other plausible.
Yeah, definitely a lot of stuff for us to look at. Nearly at the triple digits mark in this round
Tripple digits huh, yes!!! But why on this battle, it’s not worth it…..
Well, it’s not there yet so it still may not reach that feat, but it’ll be close. At the very least it will be a battle to remember!
As a third party here, I think jman is putting a slightly better argument here. If I were to do this fight on my battle blog, I would probably give this one to Caesar here. Speaking of which, it’s been a while since I updated it…
King Caesar is also winning in the poll so it would seem that most agree with jman as well right now. Well King Caesar is pretty tough so I could see why he’s picked, but I’m definitely still on the King Dedede side of the fence for now. Yeah, it’s been a while since you did a fight, it’ll be cool to see your next one.
Yaaa so do i win *child like smile on my face*?
Well…yes and no. Yes in that the majority of the voters agree with you…No in that I still think King Dedede’s got this win. Defeating that guy is just tricky…..
Hmm……… why am i not content? Ok how about this, you give me the reason as to why dedede may have a chance. I’ll refute it and if you dont like the way i did it (meaning if it isn’t accurate or plausible) you can point it out and hopefully ad. Can agree of disagree, ending it. So here’s to your latest post, what kind of ants have you encountered, i catch them l all lol. And king caesar has reacted to missiles so king caesar won’t be befuttled (I’m in a bit of rush) and will catch him. Lastly, he’s weak, nuff said.
Well, from what I gather, this is the current situation
Reager argument
* King Dedede’s too fast and keeps on whacking at King Caesar
* King Dedede’s strength is considerable and would prevail eventually
* King Caesar couldn’t hit King Dedede
Jman argument
* King Caesar is stronger and faster than King Dedede
* King Dedede couldn’t hurt King Caesar
* One stomp/blast/attack should be enough to destroy King Dedede
Must’ve been super ants 😎 Well, King Dedede’s smarter than an ant so maybe he could just keep on dodging and dodging while he keeps pounding away at King Caesar’s health
Lol super ants indeed :-)! Good one. Now time for the debate. Now he may be smarter than an ant (idk about that lol jk) but he doesn’t have the speed to suggest that he could evade that large but quick hand.
But it’s the fact that it’s so large that it will help him to dodge. He doesn’t need to be that fast to evade it because of how small he is. And while he isn’t the fastest guy out there, his speed would make Daniel LaRusso wince (And that guy’s no joke!..maybe) So, I think he could dodge his attacks long enough to pull out a win
So large it will help him dodge…… that is something. I get your premise but i don’t think it applies here. K.c. i suprisingly fast (i have given examples, reliable examples) and won’t be some lumbering giant. Dedede will have lots of ground to cover over a short time interval, and dedede doesn’t have the feats that he can evade any of the attacks especially not the solar beams, he takes this.
King Caesar is fast, but it’s still tough. It’s like when you’re fishing. We’re much faster than the fish, but it’s still hard to get a bead on them. They’re just so small and maneuverable. Like trying to catch one with your hands is very, very time consuming
I understand your premise, and usually smaller=faster. However dedede has no feats to suggest the that he=fish to k.c.=human. Also fish aren’t as small to us as he is to k.c. so he’s small and sloww with greater distance to cober than he can manage.
King Caesar is about 300 Ft and King Dedede is only about 3-6 feet. It’s still a huge gap, which should grant King Dedede the win. He just needs to stay out of King Caesar’s way and keep on whacking him with the hammer until he finally goes down.
Again, not enough speed or strength feats to prove that.
His speed and strength seem pretty decent in Super Smash and the other games. After all he knocked out Luigi and survived a ceiling falling on him. As for speed, he’s given Kirby some tough fights in the past so he’s gotta be mildly fast
Having decent speed in ss is good, but he was rather slow compared to characters like mario, who would be stepped on as well. Having a ceiling fall on you is impressive, but nothing compared to caesar’s weight. He’s just not strong enough or fast enough.
I’m not sure about that. Mario’s extremely athletic and he’s pretty fast. If the match were King Caesar vs Mario…things would be interesting. Either way King Dedede is definitely durable, he’s pretty powerful, and while he’s not as fast as Mario, his speed is still pretty dangerous in a fight
True, that would be better, speed-wise anyway. Fast, but not fast enough, strong, not strong enough, durable, not durable enough.
Well, I think he would be speedblitzing King Caesar pretty badly with his rainbow star on with his flying gloves. Then he’d be blasting him with fireballs or punching him the whole time. It may have been a faster match in the end
Dude, he hasn’t shown speed enough to escape a stomp, much less a speedblitz. With rainbowstar…… ok, I’ll give him that. However fireball (energy absorbtion) and hammer (nuff said) won’t work soo…….
With the rainbowstar he’s incredibly fast and with the red star he can fly at incredible speeds. So, when he mixes those 2 together with the firefly, you’ve got some super speed! He wouldn’t be able to absorb the fireball because it’s pure fire, not energy. The hammer would also be enough because with Mario’s great strength, a couple of hits should be enough to shatter just about anyone
Wait, before i go further, who are we discussing again?
I think we diverged to Mario vs King Caesar now
Oh…… well we should probably stay on topic, we can discuss maro vs caesar afterward ;-).
True, so back to the King Dedede part…aside from his speed and power, he’s also got his hammer. Plus while he couldn’t suck up King Caesar, the wind could also slow him down if he tries to escape. Finally, King Dedede…is just a power hitter
Alright. So here it is. Dedede is fast, but i don’t think his speed is enough to cover that much ground. Power, he doesn’t hit harder than a missile and caesar took multiple shots. As a matter of fact, he doesn’t have any feats to suggest he could even hurt him (koing luigi is nothing). Durability, not enough, taking a ceiling collapsing is no joke, but not enough for any of his attacks.
King Dedede doesn’t need to cover that much ground though. He just needs to stay under King Caesar and keep hitting him. Eventually King Caesar will go down hard. Nobody can endure damage forever so it’s a matter of how long King Dedede can last. It would take more than a couple of shots, but in the end he could still do it. I think he’s durable enough to endure a couple of hits, but definitely not too many
Ok well if he stays too close k.c. will be able to hit him easily with little effort, plus he could jump back and laser which will end dedede. His strength is just not high enough to do any damage. Durable enough to endure k.c.’s hits!? Bro, no, just no.
Well, he’s agile enough to dodge King Caesar’s attacks. King Caesar jumping away would be tough. King Dedede would definitely need to dash towards him for safety or block the lasers with his hammer. It would be tricky, so he’s need to end the match fast. He is really durable, so there’s a possibility
Lol he has never displayed that amount of agility, the lasers will cook him and his hammer, it is really huge and after all. And if he can be harmed by bowser, his durability is irrelevant.
Well, his top running speed isn’t that bad. His hammer is part metal so it should be able to block the laser…well it’s a maybe I guess. He may not have been hurt by Bowser. The battle was off screen after all.
His top speed isn’t bad, but it wouldn’t save him from the hits, and even if it did it would only work once, at the most twice. His hammer being metal won’t save him bro, it is too big and too intense, it wouldn’t help. Also bowser could harm him, since dedede has no durability feats that sugest he can’t.
King Dedede is just too fast for King Caesar. The beam isn’t that large so I think the hammer could maybe deflect it, but it would be close. We don’t know if Bowser was able to land a hit in. King Dedede may have just been too fast for him. King Dedede just needs some really good hits in and he could have this
Dude, he’s not fast enough to evade those large attacks, not even close. His beams are large and strong enough to combat godzilla’s atomic breath, so yeah he’s not blocking anything. Dude, if bowser can hit mario, he can hit dedede, let’s not overhype him now.
His beams aren’t even close to big enough to combat Godzilla’s atomic breath. They’re extremely thin and about as small as Mecha GOdzilla’s blasts. Godzila’s can shatter planets and asteroids. Bowser can’t hit Mario in a fair fight. Mario’s way too fast. There’s no proof that Bowser can hit King Dedede. King Dedede is pretty fast so he should be able to dodge the attacks. They won’t be fast enough to hit him
Yeah they can, in gu (the game in which the beams are showcased) the players can battle using beams, so if the creator thought it was plausible, then it is. Also, to dedede the are huge so yeah he’ll be like an ant under a magnifying glass, except evaporated. Now about his blast, it’s because of the force and concentration he can destroy asteroids, not size. And dedede is not much faster than bowser who is slow, so he gets stomped.
Now that my friend, would be game mechanics. Like how Mario can run as fast as Sonic in the Olympics. King Dedede will be too fast for the blast. He’ll dash to King Caesar and bring on the pounding. I think he would be able to dodge. He’s not tooooo fast, but fast enough
Dude, the beams are bigger than him, so it really doesn’t matter, he will be toasted. And you don’t think him running fast is game mechanics? On the games he is low and he has shown no speeds feats to suggest he could move that fast in that amount of time.
I’m not saying that he could run fast because of Super Smash, but because of the anime. He’s decently fast there and he’s never been one to not show his speed in times of need. He would get burned by the beams, but I’m not sure if he’d lose
In the anime his speed is impressive, but not enough. And the beams would not only burn him, they’d evaporate him.
He’s still pretty agile and fast so it should be enough to dodge the beams and speed. I don’t think the beam could beat him in one shot though. King Dedede is just too durable
Dude, i just read the story, and it wasn’t very accurate bro. Powerwise he shouldn’t have been able to phase caesar, hammer or not. Speedwise, i could see the rocket hammer working once, but he would get burned/smashed. I did the height/foot ratio and k.c.’s feat are approximately 46.5 feet.dedede could escape that in mere seconds, has no feats suggesting it either. Durability wise, the are so many inconsistences its not even funny. One, there is no way dedede is surviving a blast meant to hurt kaiju, and blocking it :-, its to big bro, unless you’re saying he’s larger than k.c. eyes, which is unlikely. He should have died when being thrown into the mountain, his durability doesn’t support that claim, and his hammer, durable enough to block a blast that would hurt the big g!? I think you’ve lost it. As for your arguement his feats suggest his durability, speed, strength, etc. are waay les than you claim. And the reason he doesn’t smoke mario is because it would be unfair, just like k.c. absorbtion. Also i said his beams could battle godzillas because on the game it could, which is it’s only showing, much like my man ADR. Said. So yeah, dedede should lose bad, and since the majority agree, can we change the to to k.c. wins?
I think his power should be enough to do some serious damage. After several shots, there’s just about nobody who could endure that and keep on going. Durabilitywise well..I think Kind Dedede can endure those hits for a while. The beams are tough, but he’s still a fighter and his hammer is pretty powerful. The mountain feat was tough, but it just goes to show that King Dedede will keep on fighting to the bitter end.
Here’s the deal with gameplay..gameplay mechanics can work or not. Mario outracing Sonic?..Pure gameplay mechanic. Mario flying because of a hat? That’s legit. It depends on what’s happening in the gameplay. Things they do can be good or they can be fake. It all depends on the circumstances. In a beam fight, there’s no way that King Caesar’s could stand up against King Dedede’s. The power gap is just far too drastic.
Well, the majority also thinks that Superman can beat Goku and I’m kinda against that. Well, I think King Dedede still wins, but King Caesar may be appearing in the new Godzilla comic series. That could help change the battle if he gets some new feats
I’m on my way to work but i’ll fix this later. I get off at 5 and I’ll tty then, but while I’m gone, please get some reliable, plausible feats for dedede.
More than what I’ve already gotten? I’ll see what I can do 😎
Alrighty, I’m back and ready to battle! Now let’s get to dedede. Dedede has not shown enough strength to harm k.c. (holding back or other wise) and one shotting luigi or causng a minor shock wave during gameplay (irony anyone) is not even close to enough. Speed, dede. has never shown the speed feats to cross 30+ feet in seconds, so he gets smashed, which leads to durability. Now while taking hits from kirby (laughing my butt off right now) is impressive, it is leagues below kaiju durability, i mean leagues below, a ceiling falling is nothing when a 50+ ton monster steps on you or burns you, he wouldn’t make it. Also k.c. beams are waaaaay stronger than dedede’s (which I’m not even sure exist) and the beam battles in godzilla are legit dude, not game mechanics, amy turning invisible in sonic 2006, that’s pure game mechanics. Lastly, k.c. doesn’t need more feats dedede does as all of his feats have been refuted and are just pitiful, he can’t beat caesar, he has nothing to suggest he does.
Actually I’m pretty sure that Amy turning invisible is legit. The beam battles aren’t because it’s gameplay. After all, do you really think Megalon’s beams can match Destoroyah’s? It’s just there so that every character has a chance. Like how Krillin’s kamehameha can battle Super Saiyan 4 Goku’s in the dbz game. Those are pure game mechanics.
King Dedede’s hammer is part cannon and has some extreme firepower behind it. You saw how fast he smashed the sandbag right? That’s enough power to hurt King Caesar. His speed is good enough to dodge the attacks. King Caesar’s too big, so the size difference should help him a lot as well as his agility.
Durability wise I don’t see King Dedede going down after one shot. If King Caesasr steps on him, I could see King Dedede being injured and almost knocked out, but I’m not sure if he’d lose. Plus, he can use his hammer to block the foot while he escapes. Of course not havnig a hammer could be tough
Hey, I’m on my way to church (right after work, fantastic) and i have church in the morning so I’ll tty sometime after two.
Alright, see you then
Gotcha ;-).
I guess we’ll see if either of them can turn the tides 😎
Yeah, and hopefully end this long and grievious battle.
Yeah, it’s reaching the climax possibly
Yes i hope so, because after the climax there is falling resolution.
That’s true. The after effects can be interesting as well
Dscounting everything done in gameplay is Silly. Sure, some games may have slight cutscene/gameplay disrepencies, and in that case I’d probably go with the cutscene, and the case you gave above (Sonic is, depending on the player, generally faster, but maybe not as much faster as he should be in the olympics) can generally be attributed to game mechanics, putting it this way: Outside of gameplay, in Kingdom Hearts, Final Form was never seen, nor any form except Valour for that matter. Are you going to say none of those are canon? There has to be some acknoloedgement of gameplay abilities, otherwise you’re not really representing Dedede properly…
Yeah, we won’t discount everything in gameplay. (After all, King Caesar mainly has his energy absorption because of the games) Though Sonic should have been a couple hundred/thousands times faster than Mario, but that’s another story. Yeah, things like Final Form are definitely still counted and gameplay is how we see most of their attacks. So, gameplay definitely does help a lot. It’s more for attacks than for actual feats though
Alright gtgt ttyl bro.
Righto, I’ll see ya around
Hey guys, I’m back :-).
Cool 🙂 Hope you’ve had a good week so far
Yeah, it’s been good actually. Yours?
Yup, pretty great as well. I’ve been blogging and gaming a lot
Oh cool, they’ve been keeping you on your toes huh?
Yeah, I’ve always got to be doing something throughout the day. Gaming and Blogging helps me to keep my mind ready and alert. Also, I’m getting ready for the next blog edition of records coming up. Only about a month until it happens now
Yeah, i can relate and oh wow :-O, that was fast!
I’m definitely going to try and get it up as fast as possible for the blog’s 11000th post. It will feature the current rankings for all of the characters featured on the blog. This way fans can keep track of their favorite character’s standing amongst the 3000+ fighters. Bass will probably be number 1 of course….:P
Awesome!! Bass is sure to be at the top, for now ;-). And i really do need to keep tabs on savageman, windman, k.c.,…….. which reminds me, since k.c. has the majority vote here, can you change the dedede wins?
Yeah, Bass definitely does have a lot of wins. Well, I’m pretty sure that Savageman has a high ranking on the blog. Windman and KC are doing okay..not really good or bad at last check. Well, KC does have the majority so far, but that could change. I still think that King Dedede would win this round like how he did in the story, but it’s a good fight. Maybe if King Caesar looks really good in the new comic series and gets a power up or some feats, that could help to overturn it
Dude, he doesn’t need anymore feats, it’s already an overkill. Dedede doesn’t have the strength to harm k.c., speed enough to escape a stomp, or durability to take even one hit. Dedede should have lost a long time ago.
Well, I think a good speed feat would help the most. Or some sort of cool barrier ability. I think King Dedede could definitely harm KC. He is a power type after all and he’s known for his extreme power. His speed is good enough to dodge the stomps for a while and I definitely think he can endure a couple of hits from King Caesar. King Dedede’s no pushover
If he can react to missiles (even though he didn’t dodge it or anything) he can catch dedede. Having great strength<<<<<<<<<<<weakest kaiju, unless you're saying that him or bowser or d.k. can harm godzilla :-D. He has not shown speed fast enough to dodge anything, and he can't endure an attack from k.c., that's foolishness.
Reacting to missilles is good, but they do make huge sounds when they’re fired. I think that definitely helps and I like to think that King Dedede could evade missilles as well. Also…I do think those 3 would be able to hurt Godzilla. Bowser spinning in his shell should have a similar effect to when King Caesar kicked Anguirus into Godzilla. King Dedede is pretty much a soft but durable guy like Kirby. That’s why he can jump so many times. I think he could endure some hits
I don’t think dedede would be able to react to something breaking the sound barrier, k.c. did. Also, have ypu noticed the size difference between ang. and bowser?! Do you realize how strong k.c.’s legs are? The force alone would have hurt godzilla and ang spikes are strong enough to.pierce godzilla’s hide, bowser also doesn’t have the strength to do it, much less dededede. And bro, if a solar beam hit him (which could hurt godzilla) he would die, he’s no where near kaijus in durability.
I think King Dedede could do it. Not saying that he’s faster than sound, but he would be able to dodge the missiles because the sound would tip him off. King Dedede can also use his power against him like what Godzilla was doing in final wars. Bowser is a lot smaller than Anguirus, but he definitely packs a punch! I agree that the Solar Beam would hurt Godzilla, but just like how Godzilla could get up after a blast, I think King Dedede could as well
Dude, that is like saying that if spiderman heard a bullet, he can dodge it. That sound means it has left the barrel and once that happens not even spiderman (who has reflexes superior to that of dedede) can dodge it. So dedede would be hit as well. Dede. can do what gfw did, at all. Now bowser does pack a punch, but it’s a kaiju dude, someone who eats missles for breakfast, these same missiles would murder both dedede and bowser. And dedede’s durability is no where near a kaijus so he would be toast. He’s not godzilla and no feats to suggest he has the strength, speed, or durability of any kaiju (not even rodan :-D) so he would be killed by any attack.
Spiderman can dodge just about anything that the military can throw at him…he dodges lasers after all. Of course he has spider sense, but either way I think he could dodge a missille after it’s shot. I dunno, I think they could possibly endure a missille. Also Bowser’s power is still pretty immense. King Dedede’s durability may not be as good as the average kaiju, but it’s still pretty impressive to say the least. I think the hits would add up though so eventually he would win the match. If King Caesar lands a couple of good shots in, then it may be time for King Dedede to call it quits.
Dude, i am a fanboy of spiderman to the highest degree, but i know his limitations. Is spider sense warns him nanaoseconds before the attack happens and he dodges before the attack happens, he is not a bullet timer and can’t evade after the bullet has left the barrel, much less a laser or a missle fired at the speed of sound. Bowser is impressive, just not kaiju impressive. And k.c. won’t need multiple shots to take k.c. out, dedede doesn’t have the feats to suggest he can take even one hit from k.c. and as far as him wearing down k.c., i give a sigh of exasperation.
His spider sense is why he can dodge just about anything, but even if it didn’t warn him and he saw a gun being fired, I’m sure that he could dodge it. Likewise with a laser or a missile. King Dedede is pretty durable so I think that he would be able to endure a couple of shots. It’s definitely close and all, but he is the King for a reason. Maybe King Dedede will get an appearence in a new game or something that could help you go with him as well 😛
No, it is well known that spiderman is not a bullet timer. Even the comics say it bro, and he can’t dodge bullets after they’re fired much less lasers. Show dedede enduring an attack more than 100 tons and I’ll consider it and even then the lasers would engulf and burn him. He’s the king of a bunch of marshmallows , some king 😀 and hopefully he’ll get more feats, until then though he’ll lose.
It’s tough, but I think it can maybe be done. You know how that comic logic can get. Technically speaking you should be right, but usually dodging bullets and lasers isn’t that tough. Even for humans like Robin, they constantly evade dozens of bullets and lasers heading their way. It’ll be tough to find feats like that for King Dedede, but hopefully one of these days. Hey, at least King Dedede gets to eat whatever he wants, whenever he wants!
Well alot of comic book logic is off *cough hulk cough* but some is it is legit, like spiderman. Spiderman dodges before the attack is used and he is already moving before the trigger/button is pushed, which along with his superhuman reflexes is why he can do it. Batman moves before they shoot as well. Don’t feel bad, i like dedede too, but maybe when he has more to work with and toche with the eating, that is one thing marshmallows are good for :-D.
Well, yeah they do move before the bullet is shot, but I think if someone tried to shoot them point blank (from a decent distance anyway) they would still be able to make the dodge. Like how in The Batman Catwoman dodged dozens and dozens of lasers by doing 1 jump (Which should have made her an easy target) Lasers and bullets just never seem to be able to take down comic book characters.
Yeah, we’ll just have to hope for a new King Dedede appearance in a show or something. Maybe the next Smash Bros will help him out
Yeah , i see what you mean (alot of comic book logic is flawed) but in spiderman’s case its legit. Are you sure cat woman didn’t jump before they shot and manipulated her body before they can pull the trigger. Yeah, i hope dedede gets some feats to help him out a little :-).
Pretty sure, or even if she did that for some of them…there were dozens of cops and they all had laser guns. They pretty much completely filled up the sky and she still got through it. It was more for flashiness than for accuracy at that point I think. Well, the next Super Smash game is in about 2-3 years I think….hopefully we get some Kirby games til then…
Oh, well maybe that was innacurate. Also the next ss is going to be awesome (please have silver or knuckles, and not the glitches either) and don’t you mean k.c. takes this ;-).
I’m also hoping that they throw in Shadow. Having him, Sonic, and Silver in the same game would be epic. The 3 legendary hedgehogs (Who could beat Nintendo) together at last! Well, I still think that K.D. may still take home the trophy. It’s a close fight and all but……gotta go with my main man Dedede on this one. On the bright side King Caesar has several requests coming up against other kaiju which should be interesting
Yes having all of the big 3 would do it for me (his assist trophy just wasn’t enough)! Also everyone agrees dedede would lose and I’ve put up quite the arguement. Plus his feats don’t put him up there.
Well, you’ve definitely done a great job defending KC, but I still think that KD may be able to snag the win here. His lack of feets can be tricky, but both of them need some new feats I’d say. From their current ones I still think KD could win via agility and hammer swings
Thanks, and both do need more feats. Also i refuted it by saying he didn’t have the strength enough to affect k.c. and gave durability feats for k.c. to show he would withstand it.
I think his hammer would have enough power though. He is a well known Power Hitter and he did take Luigi out in one swing. Though I’ll have to retract my King Dedede enduring the ceiling feat because….well he died. So he didn’t exactly endure it, but durability wise I still think he’s a bit of a threat. Must’ve been a tough ceiling
Oh, well thanks for telling me (most people would have just left it at that) and well it doesn’t really matter, he would have been one shotted anyway. Taking out luigi with a shot is impressive, but no where near kaiju level.
It’s not Kaiju level in itself, but his power is immense. I think the hits would add up. He wouldn’t defeat King Caesar in a single blow, but eventually he’d take the win. Durability wise, I still think that he could last more than a single shot. Losing in one shot would be pretty humiliating for him
Thinking that it would add up and having supporting feats that it would add up are two different things. Also, if he can’t survive a ceiling caving in, he cant survive a 75,000 ton monster stepping on him.
He hasn’t shown that many feats in the past, but I’d say that it’s enough to show that he can inflict some serious damage. He defeated Luigi in one shot and also sent him flying into the sky. He defeated the Mighty Bowser. His abilities were also enhanced when he was possesed by darkness. I’d say that he has enough power. King Caesar stepping on him would definitely be tough and hard to survive. Maybe that would finish him, but a punch wouldn’t be able to do the job, and he won’t let himself get stepped on thanks to his agility
Defeating bowser is cool, but nothing compared to k.c. try evidence that would be relevant to a kaiju, because bowser is nothing to them, his strength is nothing.
Bowser’s strength is relevant I’d say because he could deal some serious damage. King Dedede has been shown to smash through walls and impressively sized rocks as well. Plus with the Dark Matter and his mecha hammer, he’s even stronger
Smashing rocks is cool, but k.c. is too durable to fall to him, as for his hammer, it wont help not strong enough. His dark matter power wasn’t really explored so we can’t make an accurate determination.
His normal hammer is already incredibly powerful, so imagine what his super hammer could do! I don’t think that even King Caesar could endure such power for very long. Well for the Dark Matter form, even if it doesn’t help him much, the energy blasts will definitely help. He can keep on using his agility to dodge KC and land tons of hammer blows on him while blasting him with dark power. Even KC would fall eventually
As far aa agility goes, he has not the agility enough to dodge a gigantic hand from a speedy kaiju. Dark energy is nice, but we don’t know how powerful it is, so we can’t really make an accurate rating, it’s best not to use it.
The Dark Matter still needs to be used because it’s a form that he has used. In that form he can fire small black energy orbs. It appears as the final (not) boss in Kirby Dreamland 3. King Dedede also got an improved mecha hammer once which could bring on the damage
Well, even if it is stronger, there is no evidence that it will hurt k.c. and the dark energy blast will be absorbed. There’s no proof it will do anything.
King Caesar is durable, but he’s definitely not quite that durable. King Dedede will definitely be able to soften him up with his attacks. I’m not sure if he would be able to absorb the attacks since he’d be focusing on attacking King Dedede and King Dedede would be blasting him while smashing him
Bro, his best feat is one shotting luigi! That is going to do nothing. Now as far as k.c. being not that durable, he is way more durable than dedede can manage. Dedede can’t do anything to him and doesn’t have sufficient feats to say he does (luigi, please). So.smashing is out and it is never stated that he had to focus, so he doesn’t. So energy blast are futile, he dies :-).
He can also break walls which is pretty tough. Walls are firm and he breaks them with incredible ease….and that’s with his normal hammer! Once King Dedede breaks out his super mecha hammer…..King Caesar is basically doomed. There’s just nothing that he can do to stop King Dedede from smashing him a couple dozen times with the hammer. Even if he absorbs it, it’s dark power which probably won’t be good for him, but I’m not sure that he could absorb it