One Above All vs Goku

One Above All

One Above All has some pretty “awesome” power, but in the end he’s not quite a match for Goku. Goku has the Kamehameha Wave and it does some pretty heavy duty damage. It’s not something you want to mess with. Goku has beaten guys much stronger than the One Above All and lived to tell about it. Goku wins.

Fanfic version below

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793 thoughts on “One Above All vs Goku


    • What makes you constantly assume TOAA is hype? There’s no proof it is unbeatable, but also no proof it can be beaten. Based on what Living Tribunal says, he’s no hype. Why does LT never want to speak of his name and keeps bringing him up when another being claims there the strongest being in existence?

      TOAA isn’t just an old man. You keep assuming that’s the form he takes all the time when he doesn’t. He took the form of an abstract as I’ve said before when he was reviving Beta Ray Bill. What makes you think he can’t shapeshift into another form?

      • Because we haven’t seen him throw a real punch before. He just sticks to creating things and that’s not a winning strategy. LT brings him up because its convenient as it makes people fear him. We need proof that TOAA can shapeshift into combat ready forms.

  2. I could write a description of TOAA. I should have brought this up long time ago but I forgot. I can’t remember if it was from Marvel: The End or the Offical Handbook but I remember it was from an offical Marvel comic/source.

    There was a time when Thanos got the Heart of The Universe. In this moment he became omnipotent, omniscient, everything. He was the whole universe. He was the rock, he was the flower, he was Spiderman swinging on his web, he was the Skrull Kid laughing.

    He was all times and everything. He declared himself the supreme being. He destroyed the Living Tribunal with ease. He even travelled beyond reality and watched the string of destiny, the very fabric of actuality. And then he realized the truth:

    He was not the supreme being. He was nothing but a pawn of something more powerful. There was one thing even he could not break. And that thing was necessity. And he realized that everything, there was, was flawed. That destruction was inevitable. And he was in the middle of it. The more he fought, the more hopeless the battle became. And the more he fought the destruction, the more he became the tool. Till he was the root of it himself, he realized he was the one who destroyed everything. Then there was nothing anymore, no time, no space, just him in never-ending darkness, Thanos was confronted with a decision: create it anew without him or suffer loneliness beyond time and space. He decided to do the later, cursing the The One Above All who had planned all of this in the beginning.

    That is the power of TOAA. He is more than infinity. He is more than causality. He is the master of the plot himself. And no matter how powerful you are, you cannot escape this single truth: The plot dictates and you do as told.

    Otherwise there is nothing. No story, no people, no creation, no space. Stories are the core of everything there is, even we in our universe are bounded by its laws. You can argue if the story is planned in advance by some supreme being called fate or destiny. Or it is written by ourselves as we live our lives. Argue, if t is cut in stone or fluid. But it is there. It is on TV, in books, in our heads. We tell these stories to each other everyday. It is the summary of everything there was and will be. And in our heads it becomes its own reality. Even if just a short time. Who is to say that a daydream is less real than everything else we perceive? Just because we define it that way? Just because it is different for each of us?

    To cite the bible, a book written in ancient times about what people believed was the most power force in all reality: “At the beginning there was the word. And the word was with God. And the word is God.” The word is a metaphor for the story. And the story is creation. No matter if imagination or reality. And this is also the greatest gift given to mankind: To be creators ourselves.

    And at this crossroads, between fiction and reality, at the core of the story itself resides TOAA. And nothing that my mind could ever imagine is more powerful than that.

    • It’s an interesting story, but I have to disagree with it. I’m a Christian so I believe in God. To me he is All Powerful and the only entity as such. In fiction, we have seen nothing of TOAA to suggest that he is of such a high rank. He has a lot of legends and lore, but he never manages to live up to any of it and instead he just resides in the hype. As for Thanos, he was basically at the top. We can’t say that the plot was guiding him because it’ll just stick you in a logic loop.

  3. Thanks with HOTU was scared of TOAA in the story written in Marvel: The End or Officak Handbook. Notice how he( Thanos) was banished into a never ending darkness by TOAA with no creation, space, time or nothing.

    • It seems like he may have just tricked Thanos then though. Thanos seemed to have gotten paranoid once he got the Gauntlet, so I imagine that feeling was even greater with the HOTU. Perhaps he locked himself in darkness thanks to that.

      • No. It was from TOAA. Did your Ben read the story? TOAA was the only being there with Thanos… in never-ending darkness. Explain to me why then TOAA was the only being who could stop Thanos with the HOTU.

      • Because it’s all mind games. He convinced Thanos that he was the strongest and since the HOTU lets you do that kind of thing, it made TOAA the strongest.

  4. He didn’t convince Thanos. Dude, learn to read. Thanos with HOTU and TOAA were the only brings in that never-ending darkness. Explain to me why TOAA was still there in the darkness and no other hero/villain/abstract was. Thanos was killing everyone in the Marvel Multiverse until he met TOAA.

      • No, I think you just love Bass and Goku to much to accept that they lose. It goes like this for every Bass and Goku thread. A lot of people on Reddit and other sites use that argument story against people who say TOAA is powerless. Heck, it’s used as a side-bar for his fights. Bass and Goku could solo all of fiction and are the strongest beings in all of media? Heh. You constantly use his fight with Hubstyle Megaman to prove that he can’t destroy the Omniverse.

      • I’m a big Bass and Goku fan. They’re awesome, but they just happen to be super strong. It’s not because I’m a big fan of theirs or anything. The Hubstyle fight was pretty cool right? Good times…

      • You always admit Bass and Goku are the strongest beings in all of fiction. Have proof of them destroying a multiverse? Probably not.

      • Their are tons of characters in Marvel/DC who would kick Bass and Goku’s [redacted]. Their are characters in both universes who have multiversal feats. You just ignore that they don’t have multiversal feats and proceed to say “their basically all powerful.”

      • I have to disagree. Superman’s the strongest character in all of Marvel and DC and he can’t beat Goku. It’s a stomp in Goku’s favor.

  5. Here’s another image of his size: You see the last image? That white stuff that Mandrakk is falling through? That’s the Primal Monitor, it stretches to infinity.

    • All right. Cosmic and meta stuff is good on paper, but it doesn’t help you in a fight against someone like Goku. Goku has the Kamehameha wave which can destroy a whole solar system. I’d like to see a cosmic being try and wish that away.

      • Hmm, using la-la-la tactics? The Kamehameha wave isn’t that strong when you compare it to other attacks and weapons. There are many cosmic beings out there that could defeat Goku easily, and also don’t forget that the Kamehameha wave isn’t the strongest attack or weapon in all of fiction.

      • They’re super effective. In all seriousness though, Kamehameha is always my first and last go to point for winning debates. I’d say that it is easily one of the strongest attacks in all of fiction. Cosmic beings can’t even live up to their own hype, much less stop a Kamehameha.

    • The Kamehameha isn’t the strongest attack in all of fiction. There are thousands of attacks/weapons capable of doing more damage. Also, I would love to see the Kamehameha destroy the Observable Universe.

      • 1. Side effect of the Glory if it doesn’t replace it’s wielder or if the new controller uses it to destroy all of existence.
        2. The Shining Trapezohedron (Demonbane) as it can destroy multiverses with every swing. I could post a quote from the Novels.
        3. Giga Drill Break as it is 20x the size of the Observable Universe.
        4. A pocket dimension shattering attack from Hulk.
        5. Mandrakk’s laser blast.

      • 1. Still not impressed by the Glory.
        2. I don’t think it could get past a Kamehameha though.
        3. Size isn’t everything.
        4. Goku’s broken pocket dimensions with his Kamehameha.
        5. Kamehameha would pierce through it.

      • 1. The Glory wasn’t bad, but it doesn’t have the same concentrated energy that the Kamehameha possesses.
        2. We just haven’t had an opportunity for it yet.
        3. The Drill has met its match in the past.
        5. Absolutely!

        I don’t care for the term personally. Some people just really believe in the power of DBzzzzzzz

      • 1. Energy isn’t needed.
        2. Then it doesn’t count.
        3. It took another equal drill of it’s size to destroy it.
        4. Okay.
        5. Sounds like someone doesn’t have knowledge on comics…

        Dbztards are hardcore fans of DBZ that they never want Goku to lose.

      • 2. Why not?
        3. Right, but that opens the door for the Kamehameha.
        5. I’m probably one of the biggest comic book enthusiasts of all time.

        I prefer to call them hardcore DBZ fans. They know how strong Goku is and try to spread the word.

      • 2. If it hasn’t had the opportunity yet, then why do you count it as proof? Don’t rely on fan assumptions.
        3. The Kamehameha has never done multiversal feats.
        5. Then why do you think Goku could beat Mandrakk?

        Dbztards don’t accept that Goku would lose to Marvel.

      • 2. Put it this way, the Kamehameha was able to take on Cell and Buu. It was able to wipe out whole Solar Systems and that was way back in Arc 2. It’s gotten stronger since then.
        3. It’s never been given the chance.
        5. Goku’s way stronger than Mandrakk. It wouldn’t even be much of a fight thanks to the speed difference and Goku’s incredible power.

        Hardcore DBZ fans know that Goku could crush Marvel, myself included. Marvel and DC are okay, but they’re no Anime.

      • 3. We have to use power scaling though. It just makes sense.
        5. Honestly, that was just embarrassing for Savitar. I call moments like that plot hax.

      • 3. Okay but I doubt any multiversal destruction will come eventually.
        5. Flash probably needs a whole army of speedsters to stop Savitar.

      • 3. It is hard to get tot hat level.
        5. True. Savitar is just too fast at this point. He shouldn’t be able to win no matter how many they grab unless they all get a power up. Flash claims he is the fastest man on Earth so he needs to start living up to that title. Maybe Superman can give him some tips.

    • I’ve been to that site a few times. It’s pretty good, but they highly overrate abstract entities like the One Above All and the Presence. Still pretty good though, but they need more cred for the street level fighters or physical beings like Goku or Shenron.

      • Eh, if anything that post just seems like it’s someone who’s been forced to “Hold That L” (Loss) after a debate. If anything, it shows why MLP is such a powerful franchise. Should I link the theme song?

      • Eh, if anything that post just seems like it’s someone who’s been forced to “Hold That L” (Loss) after a debate. If anything, it shows why MLP is such a powerful franchise. Should I link the theme song?

      • Link the theme song. Anyways, does this link work?

        “Logic would indicate that the Tribunal itself is but another servant, but of what none dare to imagine…”

      • That’s like saying he’s lying when he’s not. Many top beings like Living Tribunal, Uatu, Odin, Adam Warlock, etc speak highly of TOAA. They’ve all admitted they’re inferior to him.

      • He’s not necessarily lying though. Here’s an example. I tell you that there is always someone stronger. You agree. Next, I say that by this logic, I am not the best Super Smash Bros player of all time and I shudder to think how strong the next guy would be. I may be the strongest though, it’s just logical that what I said must be true right?

      • Yes, but Living Tribunal and the other top beings know TOAA. TOAA created them. So they should know that TOAA is stronger than them.

      • Why would they want to protect his legacy? He isn’t powerless. It’s just like people who worship God and/or gods. Gods aren’t powerless. If they were, why would people worship a powerless being?

      • Because TOAA may be a pretender to the throne. True, God doesn’t need anyone to protect his legacy because he’s real and made all of us. He is all powerful. TOAA on the other hand has never given us any reason to actually believe that he is as strong as he says he is.

  6. Thanks! Christmas was awesome.

    Fourth wall breaking is cool, but let’s not forget that it would never affect the writers/producers in actuality/reality.

    The speech Grant Morrison made was about the Primal Monitor. It could be a cool fight between him and TOAA.

      • This version of Eternity became the embodiment of the Omniverse.

        And you got owned again because you can’t powerscale and island buster to omniverse level.

      • hahahahahaahahahahaahah! sorry its so funny how you think Goku would win agent someone who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. and is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. and His powers are unlimited, incalculable and immeasurable.

        The One-Above-All is also Omnipresent which means that there exists only one, and in all realities at once.
        people with more than infinite power get pwned by him.

      • I accept your apology. TOAA is all hype and while his powers are incalculable and immeasureable…it’s because he doesn’t have powers

      • ha! no powers? well lets see, he created the entire marvel universe, he revived Ben Grimm after he was killed, it was said he has more power than everyone combined, he restored earth 616 after is was atomized, he just gave peter Parker all the knowledge on earth, and i could go on on on.

      • all hype? oh yeah guys! God is all hype! ha ha ha! you know the guy who made everything? hype! ha ha ha!

  7. Yes. And also, becoming the Omniverse itself isn’t a good feat? Lol no. Your wrong again. By becoming the Omniverse, Goku would literally need to kill everyone in it in order to destroy Eternity.

    Where’s the powerscaling from island to Omniverse level? You fail again as you can’t post scans to do that.

  8. By becoming the Omniverse, Goku would have to destroy everything and every single being in existence to beat this version of Eternity.

    Show the powerscaling already.

    • I dunno about that. TOAA would still be conscious so just kicking and punching the air would hurt him.

      Well, Bass blew up a Black Hole once and he’s been shown to be pretty strong through the years. I’m confident that he could destroy a lot more when we consider all of the experience and level ups that he’s gotten. Hubstyle, Beast Out, Dark Mode…Bass is loaded with strength and quite frankly, I think we’ve only seen a mere glimmer of what he can do. Beyonder can destroy multiverses and he’s weaker than Goku who is weaker than Megaman who is weaker than Bass. Ergo, Bass is the strongest being in all of media and that’s quite possibly the scariest part of all

    • They’ve never been given the chance. That’s like saying that I couldn’t eat 2 Cheeseburgers now because I’ve never done it before. LT is too slow to land a hit

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